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It isn't Islamophobia when they really are trying to kill you!

By Grace said:
I do not know where the tally of 21,000 attacks comes from, but I don't doubt that. It is also my opinion that 95% of them were done by Muslims, but my opinion is not the same as facts. Therein lies the rub, and the reliance on statistics. With the proper usage of statistics, it can be a very compelling case for the EXPONENTIAL increase of terror ny Muslims, and the silence of the "good Muslims" who condone that sort of thing because they refuse to condemn it.
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Have you ever smoked? I remember when the first warning labels were posted on the packages. It was 1964. My buddies and I scoffed at what the message stated, and enjoyed our smoking. Fast forward 40 years, and you can remember the huge wins in court for the smokers against "big tobacco". No longer were my friends scoffing at the serious nature of tobacco-related diseases, and I hope that my buddies stopped smoking way before that.

My point is that statistics brought down big tobacco, and if statistics can be employed in the same manner as the war on tobacco went, people can see as plain as day that to belong to this sect, or branch of Islam is to increase the likelihood of a person becoming a suicide bomber b6y a factor of 10 or 20 than it would be in a "main line moderate mosque". That means that for every random 100 people who enter booth sorts of mosques, there will be 1 person who would become radicalized in the mainline moderate mosque, but in the "mayhem mosque" there would be 10 or 20 terrorists in the "mayhem mosque"

Can you see the power in that statement? ONLY statistics can give that statement such power.
 
Yes, I fully understand your point about statistics. I'm not in any way arguing against statistics since I use them to perform my duties in the electronics field. Production/Assembly/Diagnostics. I'm the evening shift supervisor with heavy electronics experience on the component level. I'm responsible for production and also providing data for quality control. I'm also head of the tech pool on that shift. Diagnostics.
But people accepted the stats on smoking. Therefore statistics could be used and the facts presented.
But when talking about terrorism and the radicalization of Islam well, that becomes another ball of wax entirely.
The stats are not accepted.
 
By Grace said:
Potluck said:
The stats are not accepted.
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Acceptance or rejection of statistics is NOT the determiner of the validity of those facts, and that is the beauty of statistics.
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Agreed. That's true.
But if those statistics are not accepted then the entire purpose of those facts is useless except of course to the one who gathered the stats in the first place.

That's what we have here. You can gather/analysis/present until the cows come home but if it's not accepted where is the power?
 
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I think anyone would be hard pressed to gather data about other "religious terrorism" anywhere near as deadly and frequent as Islamic terrorism. So the facts MUST be refuted, covered up, ignored or unpublicized.
Even you had no idea of the full extent of Islamic terrorism on a global scale.
Why?
 
Potluck said:
Yes, I fully understand your point about statistics. I'm not in any way arguing against statistics since I use them to perform my duties in the electronics field. Production/Assembly/Diagnostics. I'm the evening shift supervisor with heavy electronics experience on the component level. I'm responsible for production and also providing data for quality control. I'm also head of the tech pool on that shift. Diagnostics.
But people accepted the stats on smoking. Therefore statistics could be used and the facts presented.
But when talking about terrorism and the radicalization of Islam well, that becomes another ball of wax entirely.
The stats are not accepted.
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political correctness trumps all logic. don't ya know that?!!!!!!!!!
 
Mountain Man said:
Islam has advanced in America because christianity has retreated, Muslims have strict rules with no compromise that unites people while Christianity has been made to be all things to all people with no absolutes or unity based on them.....the cultural defeat is of no surprise and unavoidable.
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So true, but I very much hope that Christians will finally come to realize they are truly under attack for their faith and start speaking out about it regardless of the ridicule and other deceptive tactics of the enemy. It isn't that we are weak, it's that we are complacent and that makes us very reluctant to step out and speak up. Why leave the bed while you're still sleepy? It takes some sort of disturbance even to get us to wake up from natural sleep, hence alarm clocks, wake-up calls, etc.

I think what is going on is a call to "arms", not a bedtime lullaby. Just wish there were more I could do than post about it and send e-mails where they might be helpful!

I just can't stomach considering the situation as "unavoidable" since that seems like give up time to me. Yet, I know Daniel and other prophets, as well as Jesus Himself spoke of the persecution to be faced by Christians, but at least they did not just give up and throw in the towel. The prophets continued to speak out, Jesus certainly did and so did the disciples as well as generations of Christians following the early days of the church, Martin Luther being a prime example. Unfortunately, I have to agree with the rest of your post.
 
If our media doesn't break silence soon about what has been and is going on in London then I believe conditions such as that will indeed become "unavoidable" due to being unaware of the threat.

I don't think we as Christians will "give up" but we'll need an informed public none-the-less.
 
tessiewebb said:
So true, but I very much hope that Christians will finally come to realize they are truly under attack for their faith and start speaking out about it regardless of the ridicule and other deceptive tactics of the enemy.
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A paraphrase of AW Tozier goes like this:

Too many Christians act as if we have been called to a picnic when we have been called to war.
 
By Grace said:
A paraphrase of AW Tozier goes like this:

Too many Christians act as if we have been called to a picnic when we have been called to war.
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Hadn't heard that quote before but I fully agree and here is yet more proof, if it is even needed:

Muslim Imam Preaches it is OK to Take Your Property, Calls Christians and Jews Filthy, Impure and Dirty Substance!

Out of sight and sound of the American media, Muslim clerics like Imam Yasir Qadhi tell their followers that “Jihad is a means to establish Islam in their lands.” “Life and property of unbelievers (Christians and Jews) have no value” and it is “‘halal’ (allowed) for Muslims to confiscate that property until they declare, ‘there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger.’”
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/forum/topics/muslim-imam-preaches-it-is-ok-to-take-your-property-calls?page=1&commentId=4301673%3AComment%3A1645231&x=1#4301673Comment1645231

BTW, Qadhi lives in Tennesee.
 
tessiewebb said:
Thanks for the heads up, potluck, here's another link to the teaparty's entry on the issue
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Foreign reporter raped in Tahrir Square
By Roi Kais Published: 07.01.13, 09:41 / Israel News http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4399041,00.html

Hospital reports Dutch journalist underwent gang rape in Cairo square several days ago. Reporter released from hospital after undergoing surgery

Egyptian media reported Sunday that a Dutch journalist was raped by several men in Cairo's Tahrir Square a few days ago.

Dina Zakaria, a journalist reporting for the "Egypt 25" news channel affiliated with the January 25 revolution, shared the incident on her Facebook page Sunday: "A Dutch journalist in Tahrir was raped by men who dub themselves revolutionists. Her condition is severe and she is hospitalized."

Meanwhile, a state hospital issued a statement that the journalist was admitted after being raped by five men several days ago. She underwent surgery and has been released. It was also reported that Egypt's Prosecutor General Talaat Abdallah ordered his staff to go to the hospital to hear the woman's story and reveal the circumstances behind the violent attack.

Egyptian women face sexual harassment and assaults on a daily basis. During and after the revolution, there have been a number of case of foreign reporters who were sexually assaulted, such as Sonia Dridi and Lara Logan.

Sexual harassment is not new within the conservative Egyptian society, yet the extent of this phenomenon has grown and become more violent and visible. The Egyptian law defines assault as a crime, but not sexual assault.

The United Nations claimed last month that it holds some 25 sexual assault reports that occurred in Tahrir Square, the center of the protest, in one week in the beginning of the year. The organization dedicated to preventing sexual assaults, whose activists patrolled Tahrir Square, reported 19 assaults on January 25 alone – the second anniversary of the uprising against Hosni Mubarak. Among the reports was also a case of a girl who was raped by a sharp instrument.

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Of course they are peaceful!
 
“Choking on the stink of our own self-hatredâ€

CANADIAN Ezra Levant examines how left wing political correctness has all but rendered law enforcement impotent in the fight against Islamic jihad right in our own backyards.

See more at: http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/07/01/choking-on-the-stink-of-our-own-self-hatred/


And what would be any different if it was an American speaking this? No doubt the liberals would be after him like stink on sweat!
 
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