Christian Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

It isn't Islamophobia when they really are trying to kill you!

im sorry, if the government can just without warrant just spy on any faith or group that has violent tendency then why wouldn't you mind if we just subject all black men and women as that group has the highest rate of incarcation? makes sense to me with you thinking.

You seem to be forgetting some important facts in this derail. (Tessie went along, so I am not complaining.)

First is that during the Irnq war, the favorite places to hide munitions was in mosques. that is because the Allies would not bomb the mosques out of "respect for the religion" or to be "politically correct.

Second is the fact that most of the riots we hear about in the Arab lands come on Friday. It is not just a coincidence. The simple reason for that is because the Muslims go to mosque on Friday, and the imams stir up the masses into such hatred, they go out and attack whatever the imams stirred them up to do.

So it comes down to this, if in the United States, the Mennonites, Methodists or even Mormons stirred up their congregants in the way that the imams of Islam do continually, would there not be a great outcry against those groups? Of course, and there would be blood in the streets, and fire on those church buildings.. Therefore I ask, then what is wrong in your viewpoint with calling a spade a spade when it comes to the Muslims?

I don't. I am not saying that they are. but what make you think you just trust a government who does things in secret and wont tell any citizen that they are being monitored that somehow that will only spy on muslims?

ok since I am soldier. lets get the erroneous statement out of the way,

no us soldier carries any weapon without authorization. ie going to the range, for training, and then loaded when cleared to do so. no soldier can carry any weapon on any base unless for the above purpose or in war. in conus and Europe and asia the above applies unless threatcon dictates. major Nadal Hassan wasn't shot by any soldier, but an off duty female cop!!! she had a weapon. only the mps can carry. yes one can take your personally owned weapon to the ranges and hunt, but it must be stored in the armory.

ok that said. what makes you think that government wont deny American who commit acts of terrorism their 4th amendment rights? there has been a marine who was tracked and he served honorably as a muslim marine and went to Pakistan to visit. he was cleared but sued the government over that. he was on watch list. so we limit what faith they can practice? oh yeah, yall don't know.we went into both Iraq and Afghanistan we used locals and earned their trust to build up their nation respectively. so I guess we shouldn't do that. do I like that idea fully? no but we cant just bomb them and expect them to change.

thanks to knotical.


WASHINGTON (AP) -- A government watchdog testified Thursday there may have been problems with a security clearance background check conducted on the 29-year-old federal contractor who disclosed previously secret National Security Agency programs for collecting phone records and Internet data - just as news media disclosed more information about those programs.
Appearing at a Senate hearing, Patrick McFarland, the U.S. Office of Personnel Management's inspector general, said USIS, the company that conducted the background investigation of former NSA systems analyst Edward Snowden, is now under investigation itself.
McFarland declined to say what triggered the inquiry of USIS or whether the probe is related to Snowden. But when asked by Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., if there were any concerns about the USIS background check on Snowden, McFarland answered: "Yes, we do believe that there may be some problems."
Meanwhile, new details emerged about the scope of two recently disclosed NSA programs - one that gathers U.S. phone records and another that is designed to track the use of U.S.-based Internet servers by foreigners with possible links to terrorism.
Two new documents published Thursday by The Guardian newspaper - one labeled "top secret" and the other "secret" - said NSA can keep copies of intercepted communications from or about U.S. citizens indefinitely if the material contains significant intelligence or evidence of crimes.
McFarland declined after the Senate hearing to describe to reporters the type of investigation his office is conducting. Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., said she was told the inquiry is a criminal investigation related "to USIS' systemic failure to adequately conduct investigations under its contract."
"We are limited in what we can say about this investigation because it is an ongoing criminal matter," said McCaskill, chairwoman of the Senate subcommittee on financial and contracting oversight. "But it is a reminder that background investigations can have real consequences for our national security."
McCaskill's panel conducted the hearing jointly with Tester's subcommittee on efficiency and effectiveness of federal programs.
USIS, based in Falls Church, Va., said in a statement that it has never been informed that it is under criminal investigation. USIS received a subpoena from the inspector general's office in January 2012 for records, the statement said. "USIS complied with that subpoena and has cooperated fully with the government's civil investigative efforts," according to the company.
USIS declined to comment on whether it conducted a background investigation of Snowden. The company said it performs thousands of background investigations each year for OPM and other government agencies. "These investigations are confidential and USIS does not comment on them," the USIS statement said.
The background check USIS performed on Snowden was done in 2011 and was part of periodic reinvestigations that are required for employees who hold security clearances, according to McFarland and Michelle Schmitz, the assistant inspector general for investigations at OPM.
Schmitz said the investigation of USIS commenced later in 2011.
Booz Allen Hamilton, the company where Snowden was working at the time of the disclosures, fired him for violations of the firm's code of ethics and firm policy. The company said he had been a Booz Allen employee for less than three months.
Snowden worked previously at the CIA and probably obtained his security clearance there. But like others who leave the government to join private contractors, he was able to keep his clearance after he left and began working for outside firms.
Of the 4.9 million people with clearance to access "confidential and secret" government information, 1.1 million, or 21 percent, work for outside contractors, according to a January report from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Of the 1.4 million who have the higher "top secret" access, 483,000, or 34 percent, work for contractors.
OPM's Federal Investigative Services division performs almost all the background investigations for federal agencies and nearly 75 percent of the investigators who perform background checks are contractors, according to information on the agency's website.
At the hearing, McFarland called for much closer oversight of the investigators who conduct background checks. He said that 18 background investigators and record searchers have been criminally convicted since 2006 for fabricating information in background reports.
McFarland's office is actively working on 11 fabrication cases and another 36 cases involving background investigators are pending, according to data he provided to the subcommittees.
Of the 18 investigators who were criminally convicted, 11 were federal employees and seven were contractors. Of the 47 active and pending cases, six involve federal employees and 41 involve contractors, according to McFarland.
The new documents revealed by The Guardian were signed by Attorney General Eric Holder. They include point-by-point directions on how an NSA employee must work to determine that a person being targeted has not entered the United States. If NSA finds the target has entered the U.S., it will stop gathering phone and Internet data immediately, the documents say.
If supervisors determine that information on a U.S. person or a target who entered the U.S. was intentionally targeted, that information is destroyed, according to the documents.
But if a foreign target has conversations with an American or a U.S.-based person whom NSA supervisors determine is related to terrorism, or contains significant intelligence or evidence of crimes, that call or email or text message can be kept indefinitely. Encrypted communications also can be kept indefinitely, according the documents.
Administration officials had said the U.S. phone records NSA gathered could only be kept for five years. A fact sheet those officials provided to reporters mentioned no exceptions.
The documents outline fairly broad authority when the NSA monitors a foreigner's communications. For instance, if the monitored foreigner has been criminally indicted in the U.S. and is speaking to legal counsel, NSA has to cease monitoring the call. The agency, however, can log the call and mine it later so long as conversation protected by attorney-client privilege is not used in legal proceedings against the foreigner.
The NSA had no comment when asked about the newly revealed documents.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NSA_SURVEILLANCE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

ok so you all don't see a problem with denying americans the fourth amemdent rights. as of a few years ago we have the ability to input all americans into a database via biometrics. we could make a law that if one is to work in America(we do this in Afghanistan already for the muslims) that one must be registered. this is done so that if an act of terror is done we can find the person who did it. what is the difference tween that and doing it here? most soldiers would love to see it as it would reduce crime, but I don't.that nagging fourth amendment.once one is an American and you commit a crime you the rights to a counsel and Miranda rights. i don't feel for any American who does acts of terror, but its a slippery slope what you all seem to like. why wouldn't they then simply start listening to suspected gangsters.

i don't trust any politicians with this kind of power. i once did, but NOT anymore.the republican party is as corrupt as the democrats.denying the fourth amendment right and so forth to any American isn't worth the gains to me. i fear the government more and more each day. i hate to say that.

where i live we have 0 acts of terror, myriads of rapes, murders. hmm which am i more concerned about?
 
on that note. thanks potluck

Russ Tice, a former intelligence analyst who in 2005 blew the whistle on what he alleged was massive unconstitutional domestic spying across multiple agencies, claimed Wednesday that the NSA had ordered wiretaps on phones connected to then-Senate candidate Barack Obama in 2004.

Speaking on "The Boiling Frogs Show," Tice claimed the intelligence community had ordered surveillance on a wide range of groups and individuals, including high-ranking military officials, lawmakers and diplomats.

"Here's the big one ... this was in summer of 2004, one of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a 40-something-year-old wannabe senator for Illinois," he said. "You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives right now would you? It's a big white house in Washington, D.C. That's who they went after, and that's the president of the United States now."

Host Sibel Edmonds and Tice both raised concerns that such alleged monitoring of subjects, unbeknownst to them, could provide the intelligence agencies with huge power to blackmail their targets.

"I was worried that the intelligence community now has sway over what is going on," Tice said.

After going public with his allegations in 2005, Tice later admitted that he had been a key source in a bombshell New York Times report that blew the lid off the Bush administration's use of warrantless wiretapping of international communications in the U.S. The article forced Bush to admit that the practice was indeed used on a small number of Americans, but Tice maintained that the NSA practice was likely being used the gather records for millions of Americans. The NSA denied Tice's allegations.

In the wake of recent reports detailing the extent of the NSA's data surveillance programs, Tice has again come out as a skeptic of the administration's response. While defenders of the program have insisted that there is nothing to suggest the government has the authority -- or desire -- to listen in on people's phone calls without a warrant, Tice told The Guardian that he believes the NSA has developed the capability "to collect all digital communications word for word."

from the huffington post.im sorry that is why i don't like it. its soo easy to go south on this.
 
I don't. I am not saying that they are. but what make you think you just trust a government who does things in secret and wont tell any citizen that they are being monitored that somehow that will only spy on muslims?


Hello Jason,

Your argument is conflating two discrete things: the US Constitution and the fact that their holy books tell them to kill infidels, meaning Christians and Jews.

no us soldier carries any weapon without authorization. ie going to the range, for training, and then loaded when cleared to do so. no soldier can carry any weapon on any base unless for the above purpose or in war. in conus and Europe and asia the above applies unless threatcon dictates. major Nadal Hassan wasn't shot by any soldier, but an off duty female cop!!! she had a weapon. only the mps can carry. yes one can take your personally owned weapon to the ranges and hunt, but it must be stored in the armory.

that does not follow anything as far as I can determine.

ok that said. what makes you think that government wont deny American who commit acts of terrorism their 4th amendment rights?

Unlike other civilized nations, we have a Constitution, which limits the power of our government. We also have the foundation of our Government philosophy spelled out in the Declaration of Independence.

In one respect the Qu'ran is like Mein Kamph. Both contain hatred for Jews, and both make it obvious that they are put to kill others who are not "like they are"
 
mam the irs acted lawfully when it picked on consertives. you mean to tell me that a politican will just follow the law cause its written?right.

uh no.Do you really think that government will just follow the courts cause they say so all the time? i don't. we have spied on Obama under BUSH and he also returned the favor. that is using the same methods set by bush. and that makes it ok.LOOK i am no fan of islam in general but see the ct&a thread on that. i was in Afghanistan i have seen good muslims and bad muslims.

in fact what about this in isreal? do we then deny all jews rights then?
a few nuts can make them all look bad. i know all about shuma and the days of prayer on Friday.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1812430,00.html

to assume that all muslims are real muslims if they practice violence cant be held to all muslims as there are sects and that is a logical fallacy. do i trust all muslims? No but i don't want my rights violated as president Obama was under bush.

Here's the big one ... this was in summer of 2004, one of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a 40-something-year-old wannabe senator for Illinois," he said. "You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives right now would you? It's a big white house in Washington, D.C. That's who they went after, and that's the president of the United States now."

do you want to simply take this to the logical conclusion. since all muslims who are real muslims hate us we can just kill them for being a muslim? that is the next step. if we assume that an American who converts to islam and will commit an act of terror then what? we just spy on him because he may kill us. without any proof that he will?

yeah don't complain if we well loose trust with the few trusting arab nations. ah yes we have an ally or two that we have used in the wars we have fought. the nation turkey and the Islamic republic of Kyrgyz.
 
from time to time, we soldiers have swapped stories about the local muslims that were ok and missed them at times. imagine that. yes they are one messed lot but well work with them and you find out we aren't all that different.
 
One of the best statements on Islam I've ever seen, those of you that have been duped by their satanic religion please pay close attention..:yes

Allah or Jesus?

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers who represented the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths who explained their belief systems. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.

The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam complete with a video. After the presentations time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that all of the Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"

There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation he replied, "Non-believers!"

I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to heaven. Is that correct?"

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

I then said, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Pat Robertson or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to heaven."

The Imam was speechless.

I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question . . . would you rather have your Allah who tell you to kill me in order to go to heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and wants you to be with me?"

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.

Chuck Colson once told me something that has sustained me these 20 years of prison ministry. He said to me, "Rick, remember that the truth will prevail."

And it will!


tob

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp
 
the irs acted lawfully when it picked on consertives. you mean to tell me that a politican will just follow the law cause its written?right.

No, of course it did not. Hence the scandal. Lawmakers, politicians from the white house on down seem to have absolutely no regard for what is lawful. I don't understand why we keep talking about what is lawful and what is constitutional, etc. The Constitution, the laws of America and the rights of its citizens are being trampled on daily. To say "well,it isn't constitutional or lawful" is becoming more and more beside the point every day.

The ONLY thing I can see that will work towards remedying the unlawful, unconstitutional behavior from the ground up and the top down is to protest, expose and fight as we are able against the lawlessness and misbehavior. It is without a doubt a severe uphill battle and will NEVER be resolved if Americans don't come together to protest, denounce the indecency and demand a return to basic lawfulness and decency.

Most of us don't even understand what the situation is and that partisanship of one kind or another has so divided us that we are on the brink of total anarchy, being herded like sheep to the slaughter by the handful that are eager to snatch defeat out of the mouth of victory! It isn't just the Muslim terrorism and Islam's overwhelming agenda to rule the world that is to blame either.

It's the division in our government, the sick insistence on being Republican or Democrat, Independent or whatever that is ruining the America most of us grew up in. The ones of us who strive to bring to light the extreme danger America is in must continue and must redouble our efforts to shed the light on the wiles and contrivances by the politicians, the Islamists, the money changers, the corporations that are ruining our chances of ever having a decent society again.

We must do so by any nonviolent means we have available, whether it is bringing information to light that will wake the sleepers up, or by public protests against the insanity that has taken America over. On here, we post snide comments meant to discredit informative posts. We try to mitigate the bad news with pacifistic words of 'tolerance', so we end up bickering instead of coming to some kind of agreement that yes, the country is going to hell in a handbasket, and yes, there IS something we as individuals can and should do about it.

A house divided against itself is doomed to fall and America is in just that position!
 
One of the best statements on Islam I've ever seen, those of you that have been duped by their satanic religion please pay close attention..:yes

Allah or Jesus?

Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers who represented the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths who explained their belief systems. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.

The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam complete with a video. After the presentations time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that all of the Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad [Holy war] against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"

There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation he replied, "Non-believers!"

I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to heaven. Is that correct?"

The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."

I then said, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Pat Robertson or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to heaven."

The Imam was speechless.

I continued, "I also have problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question . . . would you rather have your Allah who tell you to kill me in order to go to heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and wants you to be with me?"

You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.

Chuck Colson once told me something that has sustained me these 20 years of prison ministry. He said to me, "Rick, remember that the truth will prevail."

And it will!


tob

http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/allah.asp
Well worth reposting here, thank you tob!
 
I understand that but, YOU seem to don't mind that if an AMERICAN is a muslim then government can spy on HIM or Her without any PROBABLE cause. that is a problem for ME. Locally a county to the south just approved an Islamic cemetery. Muslims have lived in that county since at least 1995.
 
Christians who disagree with the government's policies are already under surveillance and grouped together with wild men survivalists who include Christian in the name of their organizations

Its just another conspiricy theory.
Really? A theory, like the "evolution theory" is hypothetical. Would you say these statements are "theories"?

"The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has begun watching a blog posted by a Christian who was forced to flee Brazil because of the conflict between that nation’s pro-homosexual “hate crimes†agenda and his advocacy for traditional marriage.
Exactly why the U.S. government, which several times has linked Christians and conservatives with terrorism, is watching Julio Severo’s unabashedly Christian Last Days Watchman blog isn’t clear. A WND request to the DHS for comment did not generate a response.
The website’s records reveal the DHS visited the site yesterday. A different computer, also at the DHS, was on the site again today...."
http://www.wnd.com/2011/07/327769/


Monitoring and Surveillance of Religious Groups in the United States: "This article evaluates the ways in which the U.S. Government, at various levels, monitors and engages in the surveillance of religious groups. It discusses the growing pervasiveness of the government into the religious life of American citizens. As religions increase the public space they occupy in the American society, government actors such political leaders and bureaucrats often assume they have the right and responsibility to inquire and know the activities of religious entities, specifically if these religious groups are involved in receiving public funds, or performing functions generally performed by the government. The article begins with the results of a major survey about public support for the surveillance of unpopular religious groups. It also discusses the monitoring and surveillance of religious groups within an international context. The article ends with some comments on the prevalence of surveillance and monitoring by governments in other countries and Western democracies."
http://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view...95326246.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780195326246-e-13


"...Now, true to its communistic-sounding roots, DHS is becoming exceedingly fearful of Christians who believe the Bible is God’s word, Christian “fundamentalists†(whatever those are), Americans who believe the country was founded on Godly principles and those who believe the Constitution stands as the law of the land. In training materials, DHS has lumped Christians and Constitutionalists in with a group it calls the sovereign citizen movement and identified them as requiring special surveillance by law enforcement...."
http://personalliberty.com/2013/04/...ists-should-get-extra-surveillance-from-leos/
 
so if your neighbor is a muslim. well then he will kill you most likely? just go ahead and wait for him to kill you? or just do the favor first? by that logic we American soldiers should just kill muslims kids,women and all for simply being well a muslims. yet under both Bushes, Clinton, and also Obama we have never been ordered to do that. NOT even isreal does that. they allow muslims who want to serve in the idf to do so.
remember under GWBII that major nadal hasan was allowed to rant and rave about the hate he had for America and he was warned(his admin the fbi). the fbi tracked him. yeah too late after the fact that he was allowed to kill. yet I find it odd that other countries who don't have this tracking program seem to have stopped attacks. please don't think that I don't understand islam.

I SAY THIS CAPS. TO MAKE MY POINT. I CAN "SMELL" A MUSLIM A MILE AWAY. SEE THEM LOCALLY.I HAD A MISSIONARY IN AT A CHURCH PORTRAY ISLAM AS SHE WAS IN TURKEY. OTHERS THOUGHT SHE WAS A MUSLIMS. I COULD TELL THAT SHE WASNT. SHE WAS TOO WESTERN TO DO IT FULLY. I SUPRISED HER WITH MY KNOWLEDGE OF ISLAM. I learned to understand the arab mind. I learned to to read their body language. I cant just whip it out at will but I will recall it when I see it. so please you have No need to convince me of what a muslim can do but its also a fallacy to say ALL of them are evil. its akin to saying that no Christian would steal, lie. if that was so then we wouldn't need to have this "Christian" forum moderated since no real"christian" would lie, act hatefully, misrepresent or other fleshly thing. we all know that isn't the truth.
 
I understand that but, YOU seem to don't mind that if an AMERICAN is a muslim then government can spy on HIM or Her without any PROBABLE cause. that is a problem for ME. Locally a county to the south just approved an Islamic cemetery. Muslims have lived in that county since at least 1995.

What you and others on here persist in NOT seeing is that a Muslim, ANY Muslim is bound by the Qu'ran. That is the entirety of their definition AS Muslim. How can you, and others, NOT see that being bound to live by and believe in a book that demands killing of "non believers", or at best, second class citizenship for the "kafirs", whether women, children or men, is not only not peaceful but is murderous and supremicist??

What makes you or any of the "tolerant" ones on this forum think that when push comes to shove a Muslim will NOT behave as directed by their religion, their religious leaders and their own faith?? It would be far easier to believe that a Christian might cave in and declare belief in Islam under threat of death then that a Muslim would turn to Christianity because they are told that Jesus loves them and is the WAY to eternal life. Their WAY to heaven is killing an unbeliever or two or three or preferably a few hundred or a thousand. Since their religion is violent, viciously so, and their "way" is clear to steal, kill and destroy non-believers, why should anyone believe they are "peaceful". Is satan become peaceful? Is he changed from an accuser to a satisfied receiver of the goodness and mercy God shows all? Has hell become heaven? What are we even arguing for Muslim "niceness" for?:shocked!
 
[MENTION=78202]tessiewebb[/MENTION] because a Christian might have a muslim in their family. that is why. I know one that does. he is an American and been a muslim long before 9-11. so I guess the government should deny him his rights under the first amendment, the fourth, and also due process. despite no crimes commited?

cave in? really? so I should have pulled a ssg bales and killed any child muslim. is that man a hero to you?he after all killed muslim kids who would have killed him.there are muslims that work and live in my town,and own property. I don't fear muslims, I know that they can be a threat but im not living in fear.

address the statement of why we soldiers weren't told to kill all muslims in any Islamic nation we went into and why you agree and disagree with that.
 
so if your neighbor is a muslim. well then he will kill you most likely? just go ahead and wait for him to kill you? or just do the favor first?

It is NOT a personal; matter, Jason; it is a practical matter, because their Qur'an tells them to kill all infidels meaning non-Muslims.

its also a fallacy to say ALL of them are evil.

No one has ever said that, Jason, but the point remains their Qur'an tells them to kill all infidels meaning non-Muslims.

its akin to saying that no Christian would steal, lie.

You are making an equality of non equals. The Bible does not tell Christians to kill a certain group of people based on religion; their Qur'an tells them to kill all infidels meaning non-Muslims.

I am sure that you can get my point.
 
so how does the law different between a muslims who are indivuals and those who are well muslim at large? you said not all kill. if all muslim are taught by the quran to kill is your assumption then you must agree that all means all, every one that claims muslims thus a contradiction. not all muslims want to kill us. if you really believed that then you wouldn't have any problems with us nuking the Islamic nations and not telling them about jesus. sure they kill us. but not all of them do. the law cant make the distinction. it can just pick one muslim and the not the other, if YOUR neighbor is an American and converts to islam then by your logic he forfeits his or her rights under the constitution. where is that under the constitution given that due process applies. until you can post that law YOU have no case.

are all terrorist muslims? was McVeigh a muslim? what about the eco terrorist? they aren't exactly muslims and the fbi said that the later there was a greater threat to America dollar wise. yet well the nsa spies on them. no problem there with the 4th amendment? its a slippery slope.

I have been told by a muslim man that didn't spie on us and also risked his life for americans that not all muslims hate us. have a nice day. I know that they are bad, I know the game. I play it well. I play it with the wealthy, not all wealthy really care and would steal and enslave me if they could
 
I have been told by a muslim man that didn't spie on us and also risked his life for americans that not all muslims hate us. have a nice day. I know that they are bad, I know the game. I play it well. I play it with the wealthy, not all wealthy really care and would steal and enslave me if they could
Hello, Jason

I am sure that you have had good experiences with some Muslims. HOWEVER your pleasant experiences do not erase the words written in the Qur'an. THIS is the issue: their Qur'an tells them to kill all infidels meaning non-Muslims.
 
The Bible can be twisted to whatever you desire. That explains the injustice done in the name of Jesus. The Bible is subject to interpretation, but what is important to remember, is the interpretation you have right? We are likely wrong in one way or another in our interpretation of the Bible, but Jesus has sent us the Helper who would teach us all things. If you want to view Christianity to find the similarities to Islam, the one thing they have in common is they are filled with sinners.
This has been my argument all along, that the Qur'an and Islam are in a similar situation with regard to being interpreted by extremist views, but that these interpretations can not only be questioned, but are rejected by a large number of Muslims. To insist that Muslims must accept extremist interpretations of the Qur'an while Christians are free to reject numerous instances of similarly extremist interpretations of the Bible strikes me as hypocritical and not a little self-serving.
I see this as the most important post of this entire thread. Everyone participating should seriously consider this and consider the ramifications. Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, please try and see the truth in it.
 
Paint a picture of a nice quiet neighborhood children playing baseball at the end of the block.. families having a picnic.. Then out of nowhere a scream is heard coming from one of the homes, everyone drops what their doing to see what happened, there in the backyard a woman lies dead and the reason .. Honor Killing.. What we don't see these sweet people doing behind closed doors is evil anyway you paint your picture. Is this Islam?

http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm

tob
 
I have been told by a muslim man that didn't spie on us and also risked his life for americans that not all muslims hate us. have a nice day. I know that they are bad, I know the game. I play it well. I play it with the wealthy, not all wealthy really care and would steal and enslave me if they could
Hello, Jason

I am sure that you have had good experiences with some Muslims. HOWEVER your pleasant experiences do not erase the words written in the Qur'an. THIS is the issue: their Qur'an tells them to kill all infidels meaning non-Muslims.

not all muslims do see it that. should we then just ignore the fact that some muslims don't? the bible says we ought to slay witches gay and some say we have. they would be correct as in the past we did do that. yet most Christians don't today based on the words of jesus. I agree with them. funny how that works for us.sodomy was punishable by death in the us.army until the 20th century.
 
that said. I have seen muslims marry kids. the man love Thursday. the way kids are treated. so I do know about that. if an American goes to Pakistan and any like nations and goes any muslim on the list of terror then I have no problems with them being watched. when they don't then I do.
 
Back
Top