It's all about you........Jesus.....

[Novum]

Mods, if you're going to delete posts at will that you either don't like or find to be against forum policy, at least

A) indicate somehow that you have deleted one or more posts, and preferably
B) indicate why you have done so.

Thanks.

 

[mutzrein]

I am sorry I apologize. I was a bit hasty. :

I have been fighting against trinitarians because they are calling non-trinitarians "non-Christians" and ostracizing them. I believe all main stream churches are ostrasizing non-trinitarians as if it is cultish. It is so wrong!!!!

Apology accepted.

Not to take this off topic but why fight against trinitarians. The reason I ask is what I stated before. All these discussion do is put a wedge between brothers and sisters. Would it be nice to understand exactly the relationship between God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit? Sure it would, but while I am no theologian I haven't read anywhere in the Bible that I must understand this to be accepted into heaven.

There is more I would like to say here but again this is distracting from the OP. If you would like to continue this we can either do it in another thread or through PM.

God bless,
Norm

I like the way you post Norm. It is seasoned with grace.

On the issue of the trinity, I like you, don't beleive that understanding it one way or the other qualifies or disqualifies one from the kingdom of heaven. The battle (for want of a better word) that I and ginger & others have is that many trinitarians deny that non-trinitarians can be Christians because they say they have a wrong understanding of God. It astounds me that some can say this, but nevertheless they do.

Truly, as scripture says, "by their fruit you shall know them."

 

[Vic C.]

Mods, if you're going to delete posts at will that you either don't like or find to be against forum policy, at least

A) indicate somehow that you have deleted one or more posts, and preferably
B) indicate why you have done so.

Thanks.

My suggestion is to get familiar with Forum's TOS and to think before posting and this is less likely to occur.

Editing and deleting of posts is at the discretion of the Mods and Admins. Refusal of membership and suspension or termination of existing members is at the discretion of the Administrators.

Blatent derogatory remarks against Christianity will not be tolerated anymore.

 

[NRoof]

I like the way you post Norm. It is seasoned with grace.

On the issue of the trinity, I like you, don't beleive that understanding it one way or the other qualifies or disqualifies one from the kingdom of heaven. The battle (for want of a better word) that I and ginger & others have is that many trinitarians deny that non-trinitarians can be Christians because they say they have a wrong understanding of God. It astounds me that some can say this, but nevertheless they do.

Truly, as scripture says, "by their fruit you shall know them."

Thank you for the kind words but I fear at this point gingercat would beg to differ with you.

I have personally never witnessed the problems you are talking about between trinitarians and non-trinitarians except in this forum (it's the only forum I go to so it probably happens in others as well). The trinitarians that I know personally will discuss their position and I may agree with some aspects and disagree with other aspects. During the conversation there is nothing but mutual respect and love for the others opinion. We may agree to disagree and that is OK because we all have the understanding that we may be wrong in our understanding. I have never been told I wasn't a Christian because I didn't believe something the exact same way another has (except here).

This has gone beyond what I wanted to say in this thread and I fear I have upset some with what I have said. To that end I apologize.
I simply wanted to show the mind of the artist when he wrote this song as I thought the story behind the song was good.

God bless,
Norm

 

[Vic C.]

... This has gone beyond what I wanted to say in this thread and I fear I have upset some with what I have said. To that end I apologize.
I simply wanted to show the mind of the artist when he wrote this song as I thought the story behind the song was good.

God bless,
Norm

Oh, no need at all to apologize.

If it's any consolation, I like this song very much myself... I play it in our Praise and Worship session of Service and I get chills when we sing:

I´ll bring You more than a song,
For a song in itself
Is not what You have required.
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear;
You´re looking into my heart.

I know in my heart I am singing to the LORD, through Jesus. Wherever Jesus is, so is the Father.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

 

[mutzrein]

Vic

Just a question about deletion of posts though and also closure of threads. Would it not be courtesy to inform the supposed offender what has happened and why. That way questions like this can be kept off the forums.

And on that note, I did PM you some time ago about locking of threads without warning but I had no response from either the moderator who did it or yourself so how are we to know what is going on?

So, sorry for posting this here but as I say my PM's went unanswered and I would hope that communication is a two way street.

Ed

 

[Novum]

Vic

Just a question about deletion of posts though and also closure of threads. Would it not be courtesy to inform the supposed offender what has happened and why. That way questions like this can be kept off the forums.

Agreed. This is, of course, a private forum and the mods and admins can therefore make up and enforce literally any rules they wish on this website. Yet that does not render them immune to simple common courtesy. I don't think there's any doubt that providing reasons for deleting - without warning - a post that took someone time and effort to write should fall into the realm of such common courtesy.

And, as mutz noted, making public your justification for spontaneous post deletion would probably serve to make many forum members less likely to write such posts in the future.

 

[Vic C.]

mutzrein... I didn't receive a PM from you concerning locking threads. :-? hmmn. don't know what happened to it.

mutzrein and Novum,

If you take notice, I try to leave a post notifying members I cleaned up posts in a particular Forum and try to do the same when locking or moving a thread. See next to last post here for example:

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... sc&start=0

Agreed. This is, of course, a private forum and the mods and admins can therefore make up and enforce literally any rules they wish on this website. Yet that does not render them immune to simple common courtesy. I don't think there's any doubt that providing reasons for deleting - without warning - a post that took someone time and effort to write should fall into the realm of such common courtesy.

And, as mutz noted, making public your justification for spontaneous post deletion would probably serve to make many forum members less likely to write such posts in the future.

You may see it that way but... our rules are not just "made up". They are derived from looking at trouble posts, threads and members and agreed to by Logan's entire voluntary staff. Of course, this being a Christian Site dictates the type of rules we deem necessary.

Like I said, I try to give the member the courtesy of posting what I deleted and why. Not to sound spiteful, but this courtesy thing is a two way street. We have members who don't care if this is a Christian Site or not; they post what they please and deal with the consequences later. Where is the courtesy there?

Think before you post and review said post to see if it is really something that should be posted on a Christian Forum, but don't be surprised if derogatory posts are deleted without notification.

Thanks,
Vic

 

[mutzrein]

Thankyou Vic

I have PM'd you a copy of the PM (with date/time stamp) that had been sent to you earlier. Pse let me know if it doesn't arrive.

Thanks
Ed

 

[Novum]

mutzrein and Novum,

If you take notice, I try to leave a post notifying members I cleaned up posts in a particular Forum and try to do the same when locking or moving a thread. See next to last post here for example:

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... sc&start=0

Fair enough, but you did not leave such a post in this thread. At least two posts here simply vanished.

You may see it that way but... our rules are not just "made up". They are derived from looking at trouble posts, threads and members and agreed to by Logan's entire voluntary staff. Of course, this being a Christian Site dictates the type of rules we deem necessary.

Like I said, I try to give the member the courtesy of posting what I deleted and why. Not to sound spiteful, but this courtesy thing is a two way street. We have members who don't care if this is a Christian Site or not; they post what they please and deal with the consequences later. Where is the courtesy there?

How can you expect forum members to determine which rules their posts have broken if you do not tell them? All I'm asking for is a note that you deleted two posts in this thread, along with a sentence or two explaining why.

Think before you post and review said post to see if it is really something that should be posted on a Christian Forum, but don't be surprised if derogatory posts are deleted without notification.

"Derogatory" posts are subjective. All the more reason for you to provide more explanation about what topics and subjects you find derogatory, along with notices to posters whose posts you delete.

 

[Vic C.]

... How can you expect forum members to determine which rules their posts have broken if you do not tell them? All I'm asking for is a note that you deleted two posts in this thread, along with a sentence or two explaining why.

Think before you post and review said post to see if it is really something that should be posted on a Christian Forum, but don't be surprised if derogatory posts are deleted without notification.

"Derogatory" posts are subjective. All the more reason for you to provide more explanation about what topics and subjects you find derogatory, along with notices to posters whose posts you delete.

Oh my goodness... how do you interpret this rule? Does it really need to be explained? Does one really need to be told they broke this rule? Would you rather I start handing out warnings in lieu of just cleaning out bad posts?

1 - This is a Christian site, therefore, any attempt to put down Christianity and the basic tenets of our Faith will be considered a hostile act. Active promotion of sinful behavior will not be permitted. This includes promotion of homosexual behavior. Individual restrictions may apply on a Forum to Forum basis. Please check the announcements and stickeys at the top of each Forum.

 

[DivineNames]

Oh my goodness... how do you interpret this rule? Does it really need to be explained? Does one really need to be told they broke this rule? Would you rather I start handing out warnings in lieu of just cleaning out bad posts?

I think it reasonable to expect that when someone removes a post we know (a) who did it (b) why it was done

 

[Novum]

Oh my goodness... how do you interpret this rule? Does it really need to be explained? Does one really need to be told they broke this rule? Would you rather I start handing out warnings in lieu of just cleaning out bad posts?

1 - This is a Christian site, therefore, any attempt to put down Christianity and the basic tenets of our Faith will be considered a hostile act.

1. You can't get any more subjective than "put downs" about Christianity.

2. The basic tenets of Christianity are something that is often open to debate. It is consistently, constantly unclear what these tenets are. Try to start a thread to determine what the tenets are; you'll fail miserably.

Active promotion of sinful behavior will not be permitted.

3. This forum has tried, repeatedly, to come to agreement on what constitutes sinful behavior. This forum has failed, repeatedly, to do so.

And if that wasn't enough sources of ambiguity...

Individual restrictions may apply on a Forum to Forum basis.

4. ...here's another one.

So yes, vic, I think there's at least four obvious sections of the forum rules that are either subjective, ambiguous, or some combination of the two. You have yet to provide a valid reason why it is not reasonable for forum members to expect reasons for their posts being deleted.