Is Dr. Jack Van Impe a false prophet or a false teacher? First I should say that I have followed Jack Van Impe's ministry for many years. I was watching him on television when I was a little boy. I think it's good that he has popularized the idea that we're in the last days. I think we are too. He has preached his form of the gospel across the world in many languages. I do like his wife Rexella and think that she is sincere. I'm not a Baptist. I'm a Pentecostal and don't believe in the Baptist doctrine of eternal security. But I do find a number of things that Dr. Van Impe is preaching in recent years to be troubling. For more see http://famous-conspiracy-theories-w...2012/01/jack-van-impe-false-teacherfalse.html.
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Jack Van Impe False Teacher/False Prophet
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Jethro Bodine
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I quickly scanned the article, and I don't think the matters brought up there are really what we should be concerned with.
I haven't heard him lately, but he is a time and season setter when it comes to end-times stuff. I don't remember the details but he's got his head stuck out pretty far in regard to 2012 if I'm not mistaken.
(As far as the article, I don't like entertaining the kind of head hunting the writer is indulging. There's a fine line between discerning people's doctrines and evil suspicions and I suspect he's crossed the line. The warning signs are when an article or book focuses on the person in a kind of 'I wonder' way instead of on the doctrine itself.)
I haven't heard him lately, but he is a time and season setter when it comes to end-times stuff. I don't remember the details but he's got his head stuck out pretty far in regard to 2012 if I'm not mistaken.
(As far as the article, I don't like entertaining the kind of head hunting the writer is indulging. There's a fine line between discerning people's doctrines and evil suspicions and I suspect he's crossed the line. The warning signs are when an article or book focuses on the person in a kind of 'I wonder' way instead of on the doctrine itself.)
Jethro Bodine
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Oh...let me add. Last night when I read the OP, a script error was showing the word 'false' immediately after the title of the thread, lol.
Just coincidence? Maybe...maybe not. You decide. (cue dramatic background music)
Just coincidence? Maybe...maybe not. You decide. (cue dramatic background music)
Nacho
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Vic C.
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Ok, so we will narrow it down to, false teacher.
Another thing, the idea that your salvation and eternity is secure is not a Baptist idea. It's a Biblical doctrine and anyone who teaches their eternal salvation isn't really eternal, isn't understanding their Bible or is calling God a liar.
If HE promises you life ever-after with Him, you can bank on it.
Jethro Bodine
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Yes, there is no question about it that eternal life once we get there will never end. That's why it's called eternal life.Ok, so we will narrow it down to, false teacher.
Another thing, the idea that your salvation and eternity is secure is not a Baptist idea. It's a Biblical doctrine and anyone who teaches their eternal salvation isn't really eternal, isn't understanding their Bible or is calling God a liar.
If HE promises you life ever-after with Him, you can bank on it.
And as for being a 'false prophet'. I think we toss that label around too easily. It's certainly possible to be misguided, over zealous, and honestly wrong and not be a false prophet. For as wrong as he may or may not be, I would hesitate to put Van Impe in the category of a false prophet worthy of death. I've never seen any evidence that he is not a true believer.
Has anything he has taught been proven to be false?
My background is Pentecostal, as most of these guys... The ones that are profit prophets turn my stomach. Folks end up following a man and over looking Gods Word.
Reading newspaper head lines instead of the Word.... Jesus is the guy doing the returning. Might be nice to fit our eschatology into His Words.
My background is Pentecostal, as most of these guys... The ones that are profit prophets turn my stomach. Folks end up following a man and over looking Gods Word.
Reading newspaper head lines instead of the Word.... Jesus is the guy doing the returning. Might be nice to fit our eschatology into His Words.
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Hitch
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Amazing what purchase you can make using cheating death as a carrot.:bigfrown
jasoncran
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:D well then since im the lone dissenter at present on the p doctrine on the tulip. i do not believe the bible supports eternal security at all. one can walk away from the lord. if not there wouldnt be warnings to the jews in the book of hebrews of recanting their grace for the works of the law and also the same type of warning to the churches in revalation.
that said if we remain in christ he will carry us to the end.
that said if we remain in christ he will carry us to the end.
Jethro Bodine
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True, but the argument is that anyone who does turn back never really belonged to him anyway.
On the Day of Judgment, when we are found to have truly been in Christ in this age, the life we inherit will indeed be eternal and never ending.
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” (Rev. 21:3-4 NIV1984)
(Isn't it interesting how we judge whether people are of God or not according to their doctrines about things like freewill, eternal security, etc.? Instead of actually examining what Van Impe sees in the events of the day in the light of the scriptures (which he knows quite well) we look at his personal beliefs about secondary issues of the faith to determine his validity.)
Jethro Bodine
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I don't think so, because he's never said anything specific before. But I do remember him laying out a general guideline for the end of the age being fulfilled within the next few years.
Jack Van Impe knows the Word better than anybody probably. What is in question is his discernment of present events and how today's events seem to be fulfilling what he knows so well is in the Bible. Honestly, I don't think that puts him in the false prophet category as that is understood in the OT. Wrong, over zealous, even misguided (if his discernment of the times--not the Word--is indeed wrong) would be a better description of him.
Oh... let me add 'proud'. I think that may be his biggest problem. He does know the scriptures very, very well. But it seems that maybe his knowledge has led him to believe, in pride, that he somehow knows how this all fits into today's world.
Jethro Bodine
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Ignored is fine, if you so choose.
Harold Camping was so far over the edge it's amazing that anyone listened to him anyway. He, IMO, from what I know, could be classified as a false prophet. Jack, he comes across more like the rest of us...he has an opinion about scripture, that may or may not be right, but who is sure he is right. Does that make him, and us, all false prophets if we aren't entirely correct?
Jethro Bodine
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Why is that important? I just want to know what he thinks about the Catholic religion and eternal security, lol! Isn't that what really counts and tells us if he's from God or not?
Car Guy
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Claiming to have special revelation of the scripture is more than just being "wrong". I see little difference in Camping and Van Impe. There are so many good, biblically sound, teachers out there why would anybody waste their time on someone like Van Impe?
Jethro Bodine
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It isn't that he's claiming special knowledge from the scriptures. He claims to know how the present world fits into what is probably his very accurate understanding of scripture. Mr. Camping, on the other hand, if I'm not mistaken, did not even have an accurate grasp on scripture to begin with. That is the main thing that distinguishes the two in my mind.
jasoncran
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for the record, did i ever say eternal security pushers are false prophets?
NO, i havent. nor would i. i can see why the say that but with dispy its a bit different
i dont see it in my church yet but here i see it like this. all these dispys seem to say hes coming soon and come across we arent going to be here when it falls apart.
jesus didnt abandon us when the trials come, we have lost to reach.im guilty of failing do to that, but if we just say lets look to the lord and await his return
dispy teaches that the jews will come back and all manner of stuff after the church is gone., yet who teach them? why would god take a church out to do it all over again?
i used to be a die hard pre-tribber. why do you guys go on the attack like this? i did it too, arent we all brethren?
in my church and at means group i have heard the elders say that america must fall ere so that the ac comes into play.
hmm who is that possible if the bible says no such thing., my daughter and son are new converts. i have told them that read the word and let tell you which of us right.
if say this or that and the bible doesnt back it up then you dont buy it.