Jehovah- Jesus' God!

Question

 
Member
Joined
Aug 10, 2024
Messages
8
Reaction score
2
Jehovah was not in Koine Greek- so they used "the Lord".
But there's no excuse for bible translators omitting it 7,000 times in the Hebrew scriptures. (OT)

He sent him here, empowered him with holy spirit, resurrected him, and as given him all authority!

ex3-15_orig.jpg
 
Yes Jesus has a God, but I believe we should use the Hebrew transliteration YHWH and leave it at that since is the name God provided in Hebrew and God can be very picky about the way He’s represented.

I know there is probably a big theological argument you’ve prepared to protect your belief that the correct name is “Jehovah” and whether or not it’s true is still a matter of debate, but YHWH isn’t debatable since it’s right there in the manuscripts. Why not keep it at that?
 
If Jesus is not God is only a mere man?
 
If Jesus is not God is only a mere man?

Perhaps the only deific man? A quote from Steve Hakes' The Father's Gone Global.

[The Athanasian Creed biblically states that Christianity neither confuses the persons of the triunity, nor separates their mission, though it limits salvation to understanding such.[1] Its biblical bit is the gold-standard, and is the mission of this book. So before going any further, let me say that God the father is not God the son; that God the son is not God the spirit; that God the spirit is not God the father; that Jesus is not God; that Jesus is not God the son; that Jesus is God-the-son-as-a-human-being.

Jesus is a merger of facts, snippets put somewhat poetically in Scripture. He is deity-with-humanity and when a mortal, created by his crucifixion the basis for a new humanity (Eph.2:15). Together, God the father, God the son, and God the spirit, are deity, and each is deific, deity in spiritual essence/‌substance (ὁμοουσια/‌homoousia).

Jesus is the permanent temporal mode of the uncreated second person of the eternal tripersonal society. In his essence, God the son is noncarnate, but has a carnate mode (that is, Jesus) begun in time and space, an outraying of himself.[2] Even like there were places where Jesus, born in Bethlehem, was not born, so there was a time when Jesus was not. There was not a time when God the son was not. It’s a little bit like saying—highly simplified—that our sun has always been, yet that the ray of light that shone two thousand years ago on Bethlehem, had not always been shining. Hence, Jesus (not the immortal, pace Charles Wesley) could die (1 Cor.15:3); hence Jesus had limited knowledge (Mk.13:32); hence Jesus was subordinate to his heavenly father (Jhn.10:25).

Ah, you might say with a smug smile, but does the NT not call Jesus God? Firstly, I would reply that what it says is that God the son is Θεος/‌Theos. It’s how best to translate that in such contexts, that is the issue. I readily insist that such texts do indeed proclaim that he is deific (deity incarnate), though he is not all that there is to deity.[3]

“The language of trinitarian theology is much more abstract, complicated, and careful, than the language of the New Testament, but the content of the doctrine of the trinity is only an explication of the New Testament doctrine of God. We are not here in the realm of philosophical conundrums, but of scriptural truth set out in a way that could define and defend it against the attacks that were being made upon it” (Smail 22).]



[1] Such knowledge is basic to Level 3, but not to Level 4, salvation.
[2] I was pleased to find that Karl Barth also spoke of Jesus as “a different mode of being” (Smail 121); God the son noncarnate is the fulness; Jesus the mode.
[3] NT texts directly saying that God the son (whether noncarnate or incarnate), is deific: Jhn.1:1,18; Rm.9:5; Tts.2:13; 2 Pt.1:1. MEVV Grades: A+ (NLT); A (NRSV); B+ (ERV/NIV); B (NCV); C+ (CEB); C (CEV/LEB); D- (NKJV).
 
Dogma:
Nature of God is incomprehensible to man below!

Creation cannot comprehend or understand the uncreated!

Temporal cannot comprehend or understand the eternal!

The finite cannot comprehend or understand the infinite!

Mystery of the holy trinity!

Thks
 
There is a very convenient usage of the word "one" which is similar in kind: human marriage. When a man and a woman marry, they become "one" flesh. They are still two people, but there is a one-ness, and when a marriage is good and holy, there is a sharing and a love and a parallelism of purpose and faithfulness. I will submit that this is how all of They who are God, are One. "No one has seen God at any time", says Christ the Lord, and He also says that anyone who has seen Him, has seen the Father. This is perfect oneness on the scale and the power and the truthfulness of God: far, far more than human marriage, but it is the same meaning and use of that word "one".
 
Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


  1. Ephesians 3:4

    Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mysteryof Christ)
    Eph 3:9
  2. And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Most Holy Trinity!

Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. Isa 6:3


One God, 3 Persons- The Father, Son and Holy Spirit all each called God


All called God
The Father- Psalm 89:26, 1Corinthians 8:6, Galalatians 1:1, Colossians 1:3
The Son- 1 Timothy 1:16-17,John 20:28,Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, 1 John 5:20
The Holy Spirit- Acts 5:3-4, Acts 28:25, cf Isaiah 6:8

All Creator
The Father- Isaiah 44:24, 1 Corinthians 8:6
The Son - Colossians 1:16; John 1:3
The Holy Spirit- Job 33:4, Psalms 104:30, Genesis 1:2

All Raised Jesus
The Father- 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10
The Son- John 2:19-21
The Holy Spirit- Romans 8:11

All Eternal
The Father- Psalm 93:2
The Son- Jesus Isaiah 9:6
The Holy Spirit- Hebrews 9:14

All Omniscient
The Father- Psalm 147:5
The Son -John 2:24-25
The Holy Spirit- Isaiah 40:13-14

All Omnipresent
The Father- Jeremiah 23:24
The Son - Matthew 28:18:20
The Holy Spirit- Psalm 139:7-10

All Omnipotent
The Father- Revelation 4:8
The Son- Matthew 28:18, Revelation 5:13
The Holy Spirit- Romans 15:19
 
God is three persons!

Love of the Father for the Son, and the Son for the Father is the Holy Spirit!

God is Love! 1 Jn 4:8

Matt 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

You’re microscopic later day sect that is full of errors is also left desolate!

Come into the mountain of the house of the Lord! Micah 4:1
1 tim 3:15

Blessed be the Most Holy Trinity!

Glory be unto the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit!
 
Jehovah was not in Koine Greek- so they used "the Lord".
But there's no excuse for bible translators omitting it 7,000 times in the Hebrew scriptures. (OT)

He sent him here, empowered him with holy spirit, resurrected him, and as given him all authority!

ex3-15_orig.jpg
Actually, didn't the Jewish scholars add the vowels to YHWH because they didn't want to spell the word out of respect for him? Therefore, isn't LORD just as acceptable as Jehovah, as long as we know whom we are worshiping?
 
Back
Top