Jesus' birthday revealed!

[Carry_Your_Name]

The final week appears to be sometime after the destruction of the temple. Are you saying the 70th week has already come and gone?

Yes. Did Daniel put a 2000+ year gap between the 69th and the 70th week? Or did the dispensationalists?

 

[JT4444]

Yes. Did Daniel put a 2000+ year gap between the 69th and the 70th week? Or did the dispensationalists?

Daniel doesn't say explicitly that the 70th week immediately follows the 69th, nor does he say anything else. Since the "he" that confirms a covenant seems to do so (according to the prophecy) after the temple's destruction, it couldn't be Jesus. And Christ never confirmed a covenant with many for seven years. The end of sacrifice in the middle of the week seems more like temple sacrifice. If Daniel meant that the end of sacrifice would be Christ's death on the cross, I think that would be clear from the prophecy.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Daniel doesn't say explicitly that the 70th week immediately follows the 69th, nor does he say anything else.

Neither did he explicitly put a 2000+ year gap between the 69th and the 70th, therefore the 70th week immediately follows the 69th by default, since it was stated at the beginning that "70 weeks are determined". Anyone who reads it with a clean slate would naturally assume this last week immediately follows the 69th. Why would you arbitrarily read such a gap into the text unless you're preoccupied with the dispensationalist teaching? The end of sacrifice in the middle of the week is a historical fact that no more animal sacrifice was accepted by God from there on, the temple was cursed and haunted, the blood sprinkled was no longer soaked up as before.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Daniel doesn't say explicitly that the 70th week immediately follows the 69th, nor does he say anything else. Since the "he" that confirms a covenant seems to do so (according to the prophecy) after the temple's destruction, it couldn't be Jesus. And Christ never confirmed a covenant with many for seven years. The end of sacrifice in the middle of the week seems more like temple sacrifice. If Daniel meant that the end of sacrifice would be Christ's death on the cross, I think that would be clear from the prophecy.

12-24-23

The Beginning of Christ's Ministry Another line of evidence proving the year of Christ's birth is to work backward from the date or year of the beginning of His ministry. To calculate the beginning of the ministry of Christ, we use the amazing prophecy found in Daniel, chapter 9, the "seventy weeks prophecy." This astounding prophecy predicted the very year the true Messiah would begin His ministry. Incredibly, the rabbis of the Jewish nation have overlooked the Messianic implications of this staggering prophecy, made 500 years before the time of Christ! Notice! The Septuagint version of the Old Testament Scriptures was translated into Greek about 250 years before the time of Christ, and therefore was uncontaminated by any later "Christian 15 editing," or, for that matter, any later "Jewish rabbinical editing" after the time of Christ, to "deny" how He fulfilled the incredible prophecy found in Daniel, chapter 9. So let's notice this prophecy in the Septuagint: "Seventy weeks have been determined upon thy people, and upon the holy city, for sin to be ended, and to seal up transgressions, and to blot out the iniquities, and to make atonement for iniquities, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal the vision and the prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy.

"And thou shalt know and understand, that from the going forth of the command for the answer and for the building of Jerusalem UNTIL CHRIST THE PRINCE there shall be seven weeks, and sixty two weeks: and then the time shall return, and the street shall be built, and the wall, and the times shall be exhausted. "And after the sixty two weeks, the ANOINTED ONE [Christ] shall be destroyed [Heb., "cut off"], and there is no judgment in him . . ." (Dan.9:24-26). Now notice! A "day" is a year in being fulfilled in terms of Biblical prophecy (see Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:4-6). Seventy "weeks" equals 70 sevens, or 70 X 7 = 490 "days" or "years" in total complete fulfillment.

However, only 7 weeks and 62 weeks were to pass until the coming of "CHRIST THE PRINCE"! This means that we multiply 69 weeks by 7 days per week and come up with 483 "days" or "years" in being fulfilled. Notice again. This period of time of the prophecy is to be counted from "the going forth of the command" for the building of Jerusalem! Daniel was given this prophecy in 538 B.C., the first year of Darius, king of the Medes (Daniel 9:1-2). Three decrees were made by Persian kings regarding the building of Jerusalem and the Temple. The first was by Cyrus, in 537 B.C. (Ezra 1:1-4). But 483 years later would bring us to 54 B.C. Nothing significant occurred on that year at all. The next decree was that of Darius in 520 B.C. (Ezra 6:1-11).

If we subtract 483 from 520, we come to the year 37 B.C. Nothing of any importance concerning a Messiah appearing occurred that year either. No Messiah is reported to have come at either of those two times! But notice! We read in Ezra these words: "And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia" (Ezra 6:14).

This leaves only the commandment that went forth from king Artaxerxes. Artaxerxes also made a decree concerning the rebuilding and refurbishing of Jerusalem. In the seventh year of his reign, he sent Ezra the scribe up to Jerusalem with a copy of his decree (Ezra 7:7, 12-28). This was in 457 B.C. If we count 483 years from 457 B.C., we come to the fascinating year of 27 A.D.! (Remember, there is no year "zero," so when passing from B.C. to A.D., or vice versa, you have to "add one year" for the chronological dates to come out correctly.) What occurred in 27 A.D.? That is the very prophesied year the Messiah was to "appear" and to began His ministry! Who began His ministry in 27 A.D.? None other than Jesus Christ!

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

12-24-23

The Beginning of Christ's Ministry Another line of evidence proving the year of Christ's birth is to work backward from the date or year of the beginning of His ministry. To calculate the beginning of the ministry of Christ, we use the amazing prophecy found in Daniel, chapter 9, the "seventy weeks prophecy." This astounding prophecy predicted the very year the true Messiah would begin His ministry. Incredibly, the rabbis of the Jewish nation have overlooked the Messianic implications of this staggering prophecy, made 500 years before the time of Christ! Notice! The Septuagint version of the Old Testament Scriptures was translated into Greek about 250 years before the time of Christ, and therefore was uncontaminated by any later "Christian 15 editing," or, for that matter, any later "Jewish rabbinical editing" after the time of Christ, to "deny" how He fulfilled the incredible prophecy found in Daniel, chapter 9. So let's notice this prophecy in the Septuagint: "Seventy weeks have been determined upon thy people, and upon the holy city, for sin to be ended, and to seal up transgressions, and to blot out the iniquities, and to make atonement for iniquities, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal the vision and the prophet, and to anoint the Most Holy.

"And thou shalt know and understand, that from the going forth of the command for the answer and for the building of Jerusalem UNTIL CHRIST THE PRINCE there shall be seven weeks, and sixty two weeks: and then the time shall return, and the street shall be built, and the wall, and the times shall be exhausted. "And after the sixty two weeks, the ANOINTED ONE [Christ] shall be destroyed [Heb., "cut off"], and there is no judgment in him . . ." (Dan.9:24-26). Now notice! A "day" is a year in being fulfilled in terms of Biblical prophecy (see Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:4-6). Seventy "weeks" equals 70 sevens, or 70 X 7 = 490 "days" or "years" in total complete fulfillment.

However, only 7 weeks and 62 weeks were to pass until the coming of "CHRIST THE PRINCE"! This means that we multiply 69 weeks by 7 days per week and come up with 483 "days" or "years" in being fulfilled. Notice again. This period of time of the prophecy is to be counted from "the going forth of the command" for the building of Jerusalem! Daniel was given this prophecy in 538 B.C., the first year of Darius, king of the Medes (Daniel 9:1-2). Three decrees were made by Persian kings regarding the building of Jerusalem and the Temple. The first was by Cyrus, in 537 B.C. (Ezra 1:1-4). But 483 years later would bring us to 54 B.C. Nothing significant occurred on that year at all. The next decree was that of Darius in 520 B.C. (Ezra 6:1-11).

If we subtract 483 from 520, we come to the year 37 B.C. Nothing of any importance concerning a Messiah appearing occurred that year either. No Messiah is reported to have come at either of those two times! But notice! We read in Ezra these words: "And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia" (Ezra 6:14).

This leaves only the commandment that went forth from king Artaxerxes. Artaxerxes also made a decree concerning the rebuilding and refurbishing of Jerusalem. In the seventh year of his reign, he sent Ezra the scribe up to Jerusalem with a copy of his decree (Ezra 7:7, 12-28). This was in 457 B.C. If we count 483 years from 457 B.C., we come to the fascinating year of 27 A.D.! (Remember, there is no year "zero," so when passing from B.C. to A.D., or vice versa, you have to "add one year" for the chronological dates to come out correctly.) What occurred in 27 A.D.? That is the very prophesied year the Messiah was to "appear" and to began His ministry! Who began His ministry in 27 A.D.? None other than Jesus

We mustn't take eisegetical approach to interpret the scripture, meaning you read the scripture through the lens of your established worldview and other extrabiblical sources. The correct approach is exegesis, meaning you read those other sources through the lens of the Scripture, you confirm what the Scripture says with those extrabiblical sources, you use the bible to interpret those other historical events and contents, not the other way around.

 

[tdidymas]

I understand, Sir, can we share our email for more info, because I don't have the equipment to link it, is that ok?

What do you mean that you don't have the equipment? Are you using a phone for these posts? But even a phone can copy a link. I don't get it.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

What do you mean that you don't have the equipment? Are you using a phone for these posts? But even a phone can copy a link. I don't get it.

Yes, But you do not understand, the equipment that I do have does not have enough processing room to store the material, until I decide to get that kind of equipment, I'm satisfied with what I have for now.

 

[JT4444]

Neither did he explicitly put a 2000+ year gap between the 69th and the 70th, therefore the 70th week immediately follows the 69th by default, since it was stated at the beginning that "70 weeks are determined". Anyone who reads it with a clean slate would naturally assume this last week immediately follows the 69th. Why would you arbitrarily read such a gap into the text unless you're preoccupied with the dispensationalist teaching? The end of sacrifice in the middle of the week is a historical fact that no more animal sacrifice was accepted by God from there on, the temple was cursed and haunted, the blood sprinkled was no longer soaked up as before.

I said that Daniel didn't say there was a 2,000 period between the 69th and 70th week when I said that Daniel did not make a claim about the timing of the 70th week either way.

But the 70th week happens after the destruction of the Temple, according to the text. Since Christ never makes a covenant with anyone for seven years, the "he" referred to in the part of the prophecy relating to the seventieth week cannot be Christ and cannot have immediately followed the 69th week. Nearly four decades passed between Christ's death on the cross and the destruction of the Temple. Sacrifice did not come to an end with Christ's death on the cross (although the need for it did), so the 70th week cannot have followed the 69th week with no intervening period.

I believe the intervening period is the time of the Gentiles. God used His people to prophesy about the coming Messiah, and when the Jewish leadership rejected Christ, the time of the Gentiles began. Unless you believe that the Gospel went forth to the entire world in a seven-year period following Christ's death on the cross, your interpretation makes no sense.

At the end of the 70th week, Christ will return. Since that has not happened, it makes sense that the 70th week has not happened.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

I said that Daniel didn't say there was a 2,000 period between the 69th and 70th week when I said that Daniel did not make a claim about the timing of the 70th week either way.

If Daniel didn’t explicitly stated that there was a 2000 year gap between the 69th and the 70th week, then such a gap doesn’t exist. Any interpretation that insists there’s such a gap is pure speculation that makes up stuffs that don’t exist in the text. In some translations, 9:27 reads he CONFIRMS a strong covenant, which indicates such a covenant already existed, this covenant is the new covenant in Jer. 31:31-34, which Jesus confirmed at the last supper with the holy communion, you can find that in Matt. 26. The abomination of desolation is referring to the destruction of the temple, that was not confined in the last week, that was just determined to happen afterwards.

Also, one of the six objectives is “sealing up visions and prophecies”, that’s most likely referring to the Jews being spiritually blinded and ignorant to the gospel as told in Matt. 23:39 that “you’ll see me no more”. At the end times, the opposite happens, the visions and prophecies that were once sealed are now being revealed. This is why the last week can’t be the great tribulation.