Jesus came back.. and Destroyed Jerusalem

[RND]

The sacrifice and oblation to Christ is our love, praise, rejoicing, thanksgiving. When he arrives, pretending to be Christ (transformed into an angel of light), the untaught, misled, waiting for a rapture, followers of Christ...will then be followers of Satan. They take the mark and worship him believing him to be the Saviour.

But that won't be everyone so then Satan doesn't end this as you think. As long as there are those that "keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" Satan will never end what you think he will end.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

To me, that is spiritual RND.

To you those verses are saying that all sacrifices are spirtual? Wow!

It is loving Him with our heart, mind and soul....our spiritual being.

No doubt, but Satan can't cause those to stop!

As written above, it is a transferring of our love, our spiritual sacrifice, for Christ to him. [/b]

Not everyone will do this.

[quote:1pjwodv3]Those that "dwell on the earth" are those not yet born of the Spirit.

I was born of the Spirit and I live on earth. [/quote:1pjwodv3]


Me too but that isn't what it means. We live here doing His work but we don't dwell here. When we die to self He lives in us. We have been "caught up unto God, and to His throne." [Rev.12:5][/quote] We live on earth and spiritually dwell with Christ through the Holy Spirit.

• Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of His dear Son;

We are still on earth. We haven't all changed into our glorified bodies. We are spiritual creatures here on earth.

I know the witnesses aren't literally two entities but neither are they the Holy Scriptures. We are the witnesses RND...you, me and many, many others. The Scriptures are the testimony we witness to.

What's the basis of our belief? What instruction manual do we follow?

• Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,[/quote] Angels.
  
  

  let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

On earth.

I know where I am.

Earth.

 

[RND]

I wanted to add this to the above. Although we live on the earth we have spiritually risen with Him.....

Colossians 2:12-13 Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him through the faith of the operation of God Who hath raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Thanks for that and recognizing we are still on earth.

 

[whirlwind]

The sacrifice and oblation to Christ is our love, praise, rejoicing, thanksgiving. When he arrives, pretending to be Christ (transformed into an angel of light), the untaught, misled, waiting for a rapture, followers of Christ...will then be followers of Satan. They take the mark and worship him believing him to be the Saviour.

But that won't be everyone so then Satan doesn't end this as you think. As long as there are those that "keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" Satan will never end what you think he will end.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

They are the witnesses. Satan will deceive the world but the Holy Spirit testifies through the witnesses and that seals those that are to be sealed to His truth. Then...the end.

• Mark 13:9-11 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them. And the gospel must first be published among all nations. But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

[quote:h8ltzdr5]To me, that is spiritual RND.

To you those verses are saying that all sacrifices are spirtual? Wow!

It is loving Him with our heart, mind and soul....our spiritual being.

No doubt, but Satan can't cause those to stop![/quote:h8ltzdr5]


Not if we know the truth. But, how many are being taught that he comes first...before the Savior? How many are being led to the slaughter with the rapture theory. They're ready to line up and bow down when he appears. Remember, he works with deception. It isn't that they stop loving Christ...they stop loving the True Christ and transfer their sacrifice to the fake. He will never leave us but we can turn our backs to Him and He said.....Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. [Ex.20:3]

[quote:h8ltzdr5]As written above, it is a transferring of our love, our spiritual sacrifice, for Christ to him. [/b]

Not everyone will do this.[/quote:h8ltzdr5]


Most of the world is already in his camp....Islam, Hindu, Buddist, Atheist, Agnostic, etc. He is specifically coming after the woman and her seed, as you quoted.....

• Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

That's us. Will all stand? Not all stood with Jesus and He is our example.

We are still on earth. We haven't all changed into our glorified bodies. We are spiritual creatures here on earth.

I agree we are still on the earth but we do not "dwell on the earth," we are not carnal. Consider...

• Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shalll reign with Him a thousand years.

To be of the first resurrection we have to be "translated, illuminated" before our physical death. After we die it is too late to be of the first resurrection. We are translated to Him even though we walk on earth for He walks in us.

• 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

[quote:h8ltzdr5]I know the witnesses aren't literally two entities but neither are they the Holy Scriptures. We are the witnesses RND...you, me and many, many others. The Scriptures are the testimony we witness to.

What's the basis of our belief? What instruction manual do we follow? [/quote:h8ltzdr5]


The manual is His Word which contains all things He has "said unto you"....as revealed by His Spirit:

• John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
  
  Galatians 4:1-3 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father. Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

[quote:h8ltzdr5]

• Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses,

• Angels.[/quote:h8ltzdr5]
  
  We are angels when we pass from this flesh life but we are also His witnesses while encased in this flesh body.....
  
  [list:h8ltzdr5]Isaiah 43:10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. (12) I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

[quote:h8ltzdr5]let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,[/list:u:h8ltzdr5][/b]

On earth.

I know where I am.

Earth.[/quote:h8ltzdr5]


Of course on earth. Here we witness for Him.

 

[RND]

They are the witnesses. Satan will deceive the world but the Holy Spirit testifies through the witnesses and that seals those that are to be sealed to His truth. Then...the end.

So Satan doesn't end any sacrifices as you stated previously.

Not if we know the truth. But, how many are being taught that he comes first...before the Savior? How many are being led to the slaughter with the rapture theory. They're ready to line up and bow down when he appears. Remember, he works with deception. It isn't that they stop loving Christ...they stop loving the True Christ and transfer their sacrifice to the fake. He will never leave us but we can turn our backs to Him and He said.....Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. [Ex.20:3]

Most will be decieved, some won't. Thus it is impossible for Satan to cause sacrifices, spiritual, to end. I think you are beginning to see the illogical basis of your assertion.

Most of the world is already in his camp....Islam, Hindu, Buddist, Atheist, Agnostic, etc. He is specifically coming after the woman and her seed, as you quoted.....

Most of the world is not everyone.

• Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

That's us. Will all stand? Not all stood with Jesus and He is our example.

However some will and thus Satan can't stop spiritual sacrifices.

I agree we are still on the earth but we do not "dwell on the earth," we are not carnal. Consider...

I'm spirtual and still live on earth. Many are and do.

• Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shalll reign with Him a thousand years.

• 2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

To be of the first resurrection we have to be "translated, illuminated" before our physical death. After we die it is too late to be of the first resurrection. We are translated to Him even though we walk on earth for He walks in us.

The first resurrection hasn't happened yet.

The manual is His Word which contains all things He has "said unto you"....as revealed by His Spirit:

So then when we witness with the word of God right?

We are angels when we pass from this flesh life but we are also His witnesses while encased in this flesh body.....

No we're not! Human beings are angels nor to they become angels. Clouds in the Bible are generally in reference to angels, the heavenly host.

• Isaiah 43:10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after Me. (12) I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are My witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God.

Not referring to angels.

Of course on earth. Here we witness for Him.

Exactly.

 

[whirlwind]

]So Satan doesn't end any sacrifices as you stated previously.

Okay, allow me to rephrase. Satan ends spiritual sacrifices to the Savior EXCEPT for the worship of the very elect...that those know who he is.

Most will be decieved, some won't. Thus it is impossible for Satan to cause sacrifices, spiritual, to end. I think you are beginning to see the illogical basis of your assertion.

No. Actually I'm shaking my head thinking....does he really not understand what is being said or is he just being a little stubborn?

Most of the world is not everyone.

True...most isn't everyone.

However some will and thus Satan can't stop spiritual sacrifices.

This is what I would term straining at a gnat. :yes

The first resurrection hasn't happened yet.

My point is we must abide in Him and He in us before we physically die or we will not be of the first resurrection. We either dwell on earth or dwell in heaven before we die.

• Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

So then when we witness with the word of God right?

Yes, just as we are now doing. His Word not the word of man.

No we're not! Human beings are angels nor to they become angels. Clouds in the Bible are generally in reference to angels, the heavenly host.

That's another thread but....we are angels.

Not referring to angels.

I didn't think they referred to angels. They are about us....His witnesses.

Exactly.

Why did you think I meant anything else?

 

[RND]

Okay, allow me to rephrase. Satan ends spiritual sacrifices to the Savior EXCEPT for the worship of the very elect...that those know who he is.

OK, so now we're getting somewhere. Dan 9:27 says specifically that the sacrifice and oblation ends. Thus we know Satan can't end those because you have stated that Satan doesn't all sacrifices, spiritual or other wise. So, just like others have done I suggest you abandoned this notion that Dan. 9:27 is in reference to Satan.

[quote:1td9p0rk] Most will be decieved, some won't. Thus it is impossible for Satan to cause sacrifices, spiritual, to end. I think you are beginning to see the illogical basis of your assertion.

No. Actually I'm shaking my head thinking....does he really not understand what is being said or is he just being a little stubborn? [/quote:1td9p0rk] I understand how inconsistent your argument has become. First you insisted that Satan ends the sacrifice and oblation of Dan 9:27 and that that sacrifice and oblation refers to both physical and spritual sacrifice. Now, you already conceded Jesus ended the animal sacrifices by His death on the cross. Now you've been shown that Satan doesn't end spiritual sacrifices to the point you have now had to "amend" your argument (rephrase).

I have followed you throughout this entire thread and you have been given just enough rope to hang your argument.

True...most isn't everyone.

That's what I said. Thus Satan can't end spirtual sacrifices. They will be offered and accepted right until the time Jesus returns.

[quote:1td9p0rk] However some will and thus Satan can't stop spiritual sacrifices.

This is what I would term straining at a gnat. :yes [/quote:1td9p0rk] You might. I'm leading you to the point hopefully that you can see that Satan isn't responsible for ending the sacrifices of Dan 9:27 - spiritual or otherwise.

[quote:1td9p0rk]The first resurrection hasn't happened yet.

My point is we must abide in Him and He in us before we physically die or we will not be of the first resurrection. We either dwell on earth or dwell in heaven before we die.[/quote:1td9p0rk] Funny, I could have swore you were insisting that there was already a first resurrection. Now it's good to see you clarifying this point as well.

• Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, and His tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Not everyone.

[quote:1td9p0rk] So then when we witness with the word of God right?

Yes, just as we are now doing. His Word not the word of man. [/quote:1td9p0rk] So then the two witnesses are not man but the word of God.

[quote:1td9p0rk] No we're not! Human beings are angels nor to they become angels. Clouds in the Bible are generally in reference to angels, the heavenly host.

That's another thread but....we are angels. [/quote:1td9p0rk] Mankind are NOT angels. Men don't become angels - ever.

[quote:1td9p0rk] Not referring to angels.

I didn't think they referred to angels. They are about us....His witnesses.[/quote:1td9p0rk] The great cloud of witnesses is not referring to man or mankind but angels, the heavenly host.

Why did you think I meant anything else?

Because you were clear in your assumption that we aren't on earth but living in heaven already. You've changed that assumption. Good for you.

 

[whirlwind]

Okay, allow me to rephrase. Satan ends spiritual sacrifices to the Savior EXCEPT for the worship of the very elect...that those know who he is.

OK, so now we're getting somewhere. Dan 9:27 says specifically that the sacrifice and oblation ends. Thus we know Satan can't end those because you have stated that Satan doesn't all sacrifices, spiritual or other wise. So, just like others have done I suggest you abandoned this notion that Dan. 9:27 is in reference to Satan.

Satan causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease when he arrives. They are spiritual in nature and no longer given to Christ but are mistakenly given to him in place of Christ by ALL THE MISLED. The elect, those that are on earth but dwell in heaven, are not deceived and continue to love and worship the Lord.

There is nothing else I can say. You either see that or not.

I understand how inconsistent your argument has become. First you insisted that Satan ends the sacrifice and oblation of Dan 9:27 and that that sacrifice and oblation refers to both physical and spritual sacrifice. Now, you already conceded Jesus ended the animal sacrifices by His death on the cross. Now you've been shown that Satan doesn't end spiritual sacrifices to the point you have now had to "amend" your argument (rephrase).

I have followed you throughout this entire thread and you have been given just enough rope to hang your argument.

I have been consistent...you are not understanding. I did not say Dan.9:27 had anything to do with physical sacrifice....it is spiritual only. Jesus, not Satan, ended animal sacrifice upon His crucifixion and I made no concession to that fact...I clearly stated that from the beginning. Satan does end spiritual sacrifice by all those that are blind to truth. There is no amending an argument. I tried to simplify as some are having difficulty understanding. Instead of trying to " hang" someone....try understanding. :yes

[quote:u8ca2vbi]True...most isn't everyone.

That's what I said. Thus Satan can't end spirtual sacrifices. They will be offered and accepted right until the time Jesus returns.

[quote:u8ca2vbi] However some will and thus Satan can't stop spiritual sacrifices.

This is what I would term straining at a gnat. :yes [/quote:u8ca2vbi] You might. I'm leading you to the point hopefully that you can see that Satan isn't responsible for ending the sacrifices of Dan 9:27 - spiritual or otherwise.[/quote:u8ca2vbi]


Believe whatever you wish RND....this has become rather silly and a waste of time.

Funny, I could have swore you were insisting that there was already a first resurrection. Now it's good to see you clarifying this point as well.

I haven't clarified anything...you finally understand.

So then the two witnesses are not man but the word of God.

No. I quoted His Word telling you who the witnesses are. Believe Him or not.

Mankind are NOT angels. Men don't become angels - ever.

You are mistaken.

Because you were clear in your assumption that we aren't on earth but living in heaven already. You've changed that assumption. Good for you.

I haven't changed anything...you finally understand. Good for you.

I need to stop this discussion. I'm having to bite my tongue when replying so perhaps it is better to leave before adding fuel to a fire. Thank you for your time RND.

 

[researcher]

Rev 13:6 and it did open its mouth for evil-speaking toward God, to speak evil of His name, and of His tabernacle, and of those who in the heaven tabernacle,

This was a Roman commander talking trash about the temple (tabernacle) that was in Jerusalem

Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Heb 9:2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

And this was a Roman also. The emperors were deified, called themselves gods, and were worshipped as such. They persecuted the 1st century Christians, had authority over the whole known world, and people worshipped them.

Rev 13:7 and there was given to it to make war with the saints, and to overcome them, and there was given to it authority over every tribe, and tongue, and nation.
Rev 13:8 And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world;

"The people called Caesar "god" and honored him as such in his lifetime. A statue was dedicated to him in the temple of Quirinus in 45 BC with the words "To the invincible god." Before his death he had his own temple under the name "Jupiter Julius"; this was the first step in establishing the cult, by honoring a living hero according to the Greek. The second step in the cult of Caesar was taken with his official apotheosis after his death. As a dead hero he was transferred to the number of the gods. The senate and people declared him a god and during the celebration in honor of the divus Julius the appearance of a comet was taken as proof that his soul had been received into the number of the immortals."

http://www.theologywebsite.com/history/rulercult.shtml

 

[RND]

Satan causes the sacrifice and oblation to cease when he arrives. They are spiritual in nature and no longer given to Christ but are mistakenly given to him in place of Christ by ALL THE MISLED. The elect, those that are on earth but dwell in heaven, are not deceived and continue to love and worship the Lord.

There is nothing else I can say. You either see that or not.

I think your reasons for believing Dan 9:27 refers to Satan are full of holes. You are officially in flip/flop mode.

[quote:1l8icwm2]I understand how inconsistent your argument has become. First you insisted that Satan ends the sacrifice and oblation of Dan 9:27 and that that sacrifice and oblation refers to both physical and spritual sacrifice. Now, you already conceded Jesus ended the animal sacrifices by His death on the cross. Now you've been shown that Satan doesn't end spiritual sacrifices to the point you have now had to "amend" your argument (rephrase).

I have followed you throughout this entire thread and you have been given just enough rope to hang your argument.

I have been consistent...you are not understanding. I did not say Dan.9:27 had anything to do with physical sacrifice....it is spiritual only. [/quote:1l8icwm2] Yet you have offered no information that this is true. It has been pointed out that Satan doesn't end spiritual sacrifices as you claim, thus Dan. 9:27 is not referring to spiritual sacrifices.

Jesus, not Satan, ended animal sacrifice upon His crucifixion and I made no concession to that fact...

Exactly what Dan. 9:27 says.

I clearly stated that from the beginning. Satan does end spiritual sacrifice by all those that are blind to truth. There is no amending an argument. I tried to simplify as some are having difficulty understanding. Instead of trying to " hang" someone....try understanding.

:yes

You have suggested that Dan. 9:27 refers to spiritual sacrifices and that Satan ends them. But clearly this doesn't happen. Dan. 9:27 says sacrifices and oblation ceases, as in ends. Satan does not cause this to happen because we see that this condition doesn't befall everyone. Thus your argument is extremely inconsistent.

Believe whatever you wish RND....this has become rather silly and a waste of time.

Really? I think it's been quite productive and illustrive to show how inconsistent your argument has become. You don't want to admit that Dan. 9:27 is about Jesus and not Satan and your argument has been shown to be extremely inconsistent.

I haven't clarified anything...you finally understand.

I think you've been shown conclusive that we have been resurrected yet.

No. I quoted His Word telling you who the witnesses are. Believe Him or not.

The two witnesses are the word of God. Not men nor anything else.

You are mistaken.

Maybe you could show me how men are turned into angels. Frankly, that's Mormonism.

I haven't changed anything...you finally understand. Good for you.

Clarity is a good thing.

I need to stop this discussion. I'm having to bite my tongue when replying so perhaps it is better to leave before adding fuel to a fire. Thank you for your time RND.

I think you need to leave because you don't want to admit what others have previously told you - that what you believe regarding Daniel 9 is in error. It's no big deal to admit you are mistaken. Heck, I used to believe in the rapture and that man became angels too. I was shown how these beliefs were in error and I changed my mind. Happens to the best of us.

 

[RND]

Rev 13:6 and it did open its mouth for evil-speaking toward God, to speak evil of His name, and of His tabernacle, and of those who in the heaven tabernacle,

This was a Roman commander talking trash about the temple (tabernacle) that was in Jerusalem

Who? What was his name? When did he rule? Why does this Roman commander resemble the beast of Daniel 7 so much?

Heb 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Heb 9:2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.
Heb 9:3 And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

And this was a Roman also. The emperors were deified, called themselves gods, and were worshipped as such. They persecuted the 1st century Christians, had authority over the whole known world, and people worshipped them.

This refers to nothing of the sort! Oh, my Lord!

In Heb. 9 Paul is giving a description of the priesthood and how Jesus Christ was entering the Holy place.

Hbr 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein [was] the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant; Hbr 9:5 And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

Rev 13:7 and there was given to it to make war with the saints, and to overcome them, and there was given to it authority over every tribe, and tongue, and nation.
Rev 13:8 And bow before it shall all who are dwelling upon the land, whose names have not been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world;

"The people called Caesar "god" and honored him as such in his lifetime. A statue was dedicated to him in the temple of Quirinus in 45 BC with the words "To the invincible god." Before his death he had his own temple under the name "Jupiter Julius"; this was the first step in establishing the cult, by honoring a living hero according to the Greek. The second step in the cult of Caesar was taken with his official apotheosis after his death. As a dead hero he was transferred to the number of the gods. The senate and people declared him a god and during the celebration in honor of the divus Julius the appearance of a comet was taken as proof that his soul had been received into the number of the immortals."

All Caesar's were always referred to being god's....even after the destruction of Jerusalem.

Rev.13:1-10 is referring to the papacy.

http://www.theologywebsite.com/history/rulercult.shtml

I'd find better sources if I were you.

 

[researcher]

Who? What was his name? When did he rule? Why does this Roman commander represent the beast of Daniel 7 so much?

It would be whoever destroyed the temple, or who was ruling when it happened.

All Caesar's were always referred to being god's....even after the destruction of Jerusalem.

Yes. And do we do that today? No. No modern political leaders call themselves "gods" or receive worship.. at least the ones who don't want to be laughed out of office, lol

I'd find better sources if I were you.

http://abacus.bates.edu/~mimber/Rciv/cults.htm
http://www.luthersem.edu/Ckoester/revel ... mperor.htm
http://www.religiousstudies.uncc.edu/JD ... world.html

 

[RND]

It would be whoever destroyed the temple, or who was ruling when it happened.

This involved many years and a number of different commanders and Caesars. Could you nail it down for us.

Yes. And do we do that today? No. No modern political leaders call themselves "gods" or receive worship

The Pope is called a god and receives worship. He is as much a political leader as he is a supposed spiritual leader. I can't get over than non-sense you posted regarding Hebrews 9? Man, do you even read this stuff before you post it?

 

[researcher]

The Pope is called a god and receives worship.

Where is his army?

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

I can't get over than non-sense you posted regarding Hebrews 9?

Heb 9:2-6 is talking about the earthly tabernacle, inside of the temple.

 

[RND]

The Pope is called a god and receives worship.

Where is his army?

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Throughout the world....

http://biblelight.net/h-wound.htm

All the world wonders after him.

[quote:25f4g6vd] I can't get over than non-sense you posted regarding Hebrews 9?

Heb 9:2-6 is talking about the earthly tabernacle, inside of the temple.[/quote:25f4g6vd][/quote] Right, the tabernacle, which is not the same things as the temple. The temple replaced the tabernacle. You do know that right? BTW Hebrews 9 is making the comparison between that priesthood and the priesthood of Christ - it has nothing, no a thing, to do with Roman commanders or anything else.

 

[researcher]

The Pope is called a god and receives worship.

Where is his army?

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Throughout the world....

http://biblelight.net/h-wound.htm

All the world wonders after him.

[quote:2m8cad0z][quote:2m8cad0z] I can't get over than non-sense you posted regarding Hebrews 9?

Heb 9:2-6 is talking about the earthly tabernacle, inside of the temple.[/quote:2m8cad0z] Right, the tabernacle, which is not the same things as the temple. The temple replaced the tabernacle. You do know that right? BTW Hebrews 9 is making the comparison between that priesthood and the priesthood of Christ - it has nothing, no a thing, to do with Roman commanders or anything else.[/quote:2m8cad0z]

Throughout the world....

The pope has no army. I could take over the vatican with my pinky. lol.

All the world wonders after him.

500 million Protestants, over a billion Islamists, 785 Million Hindu's, and hundreds of millions of Buddhists might have something to say about that. lol

it has nothing, no a thing, to do with Roman commanders or anything else.

The Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple.

Earthly tabernacle or heavenly, the verse below is ancient history, lol.

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

 

[RND]

The pope has no army. I could take over the vatican with my pinky. lol.

No you couldn't.

500 million Protestants, over a billion Islamists, 785 Million Hindu's, and hundreds of millions of Buddhists might have something to say about that. lol

Apparently you don't remember much about JPII's funeral.

http://www.boston.com/news/specials/pop ... e_funeral/

The Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple.

They didn't desroy the tabernacle which is what Paul was referring to.

Earthly tabernacle or heavenly, the verse below is ancient history, lol.

The verse below is predictive prophecy.

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

What is blasphemy? To claim you are god. Rome to this day believes she takes the place of God on earth.

"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." -- Quoted in the New York Catechism.

 

[RND]

Researcher....will you be admitting anytime soon that Hebrews 9 has nothing to do with any Roman commanders?

 

[researcher]

Researcher....will you be admitting anytime soon that Hebrews 9 has nothing to do with any Roman commanders?

I didn't say it did. I was making a reference to the earthly temple/tabernacle.

 

[researcher]

The verse below is predictive prophecy.

Sorry, it's all done.

The wrath of God was on the Jews

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people.

Luk 3:7 He said therefore to the multitudes that went out to be baptized of him, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned YOU to flee from the wrath to come?

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said unto them, Ye offspring of vipers, who warned YOU to flee from the wrath to come?


Luk 23:28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
Luk 23:30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

Rev 6:16 and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:


Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
Rev 14:20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Mar 12:9 What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying,
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee into the next: for verily I say unto you,
YOU shall not have gone through the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.


The wrath of God was on the Jews, it fell on them in Jerusalem almost 2000 years ago, and Jesus was the one implementing it :yes :]

 

[RND]

Researcher....will you be admitting anytime soon that Hebrews 9 has nothing to do with any Roman commanders?

I didn't say it did. I was making a reference to the earthly temple/tabernacle.

You edquated Heb. 9 with this:

"And this was a Roman also. The emperors were deified, called themselves gods, and were worshipped as such. They persecuted the 1st century Christians, had authority over the whole known world, and people worshipped them."

Hebrews 9 has nothing to do with Rome.