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Jesus came back.. and Destroyed Jerusalem
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RND said:
Has anyone defamed God? Sure. I'm sure it happens all of the time, lol.
Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Is the statement in bold true? Actually I should say, do you believe that that statement is true?
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RND said:
People can't talk badly about God after that? Lol. Why not?
Of course it's true.[/quote:3eb520ba]
Sure, why wouldn't I?[/quote:3eb520ba]
OK. And the proof that it's true is..?
God's eternal law prohibits blasphemy against God. But the deeper point is that this beast blasphemes God by claiming to be God. As I pointed out earlier this is something the papacy asserts.researcher said:
Are you serious? You claim to be a Christian and you ask such a question?
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Are you serious? You claim to be a Christian and you ask such a question?[/quote:1irks492]
OK, so, I should assume that you have no proof that the statement is true?
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OK, so, I should assume that you have no proof that the statement is true?[/quote:30w282xl] Wow, you are serious. Do you read the same Bible that I do? If you did you'd understand that's all the proof needed. Verse after verse proclaims the truth of the promises made.
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RND said:
OK, so, I should assume that you have no proof that the statement is true?[/quote:dcrk5l2j]
OK. So basically you're saying, if it says it in the Bible, it must be true. Would this be a correct assumption?
The Bible says this about it's self. The writers of the Bible were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Thus to suggest that the Bible isn't true (every word of it) is to suggest the Holy Spirit didn't tell the truth to it's authors - if that's the case then God would be a liar.researcher said:
So yes, your assumption would be correct. Every word of the Bible is true.
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RND said:
So then you believe that...
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples,
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee into the next: for verily I say unto you,
Ye shall not have gone through the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
The Son of man came back before some of those disciples died, and before they finished going through Israel.. Right?
Yes, I believe this will happen one day whether I am alive or dead. BTW have you considered that Jesus was referring to the second death?researcher said:
Question: Was Jesus equating Israel with the world? In other words, was He considering the future of a world full of Christians that are part of the nation of Israel? Also, have you considered that as Jesus was giving a prelude to the work of the Gospel commission He was referring to His resurrection?
Nope.
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Lol. No. Jesus didn't talk to his disciples in parables like he did the crowds. He explained everything to them in simple terms so they would understand. Mat 13:10-16, Mar 4:34
Mat 16:24-28 fits perfectly with the other things Jesus said such as...
Mat 24:34 Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.
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Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
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Except He wasn't referring to His second coming.[/quote:3qzsg4v9]RND said:
Everything was made clear to his disciples.
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mar 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
So what coming was it?
They didn't understand completely in what the Messiah's mission was. That is why that even after His death and resurrection they asked Him if He was going to take Israel back.researcher said:
Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [/quote:3q40o590]
Did all the tribes of the earth see Jesus coming in the clouds with power and great glory in 70AD?
Did this happen in 70AD? If so why did He tell people to flea Jerusalem?
Right. Did Israel bear fruit?
Sanctuary language.
Exactly. All the things Jesus referred to regarding "this generation" came to pass.
That would be assuming I believe Jesus returned in 70AD
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Of the "land," not the whole earth.
Mat 24:30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the heavens.
And then all the tribes of the land will wail. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and much glory. (Literal Version)
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Luk 17:31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
Luk 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.
Luk 17:33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
Luk 17:34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
Luk 17:35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Luk 17:37
And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord?
And he said unto them,
Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Where were the dead bodies i.e. "carcases"? Jerusalem... Up to 1 million of them...
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... evolt.html
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I probably wouldn't of came up with the same conclusions as the original, poster. But, i'd like to say that that was good to connect matthew 24, with the destruction of "jerusalem". I'd like to add to that thought, by including a reference to the Book of Revelations. Then possibly building on that thought.
REVELATION 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
MATTHEW 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
We know for a fact that judgement always begins with the ones who claim to know christ. Because these are usually the troublemakers if not always. Rev. 11:1, Is describing judgement that specifically begins with the churches. This is identical to the opening verses of Matthew 24:1-2, in which jesus christ. Specifically identifies, the temples, which are churches, as the first fruits of the judgement for mankind.
These events could happen at anytime, and it probably wouldn't be incorrect, if a statement was made that those scriptures. Are describing Janurary, 2010. However, the only location we could possibly connect that too, would be Rome, Italy. Where there is an "earthly" representation of the kingdom of heaven. Which if the new jerusalem, in heaven was completed being build by this time, then an earthly representation of the "new heaven" would become a blasphemy.
REVELATION 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
MATTHEW 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
We have 2 more descriptions of the church, and judgement, which should come first. If an earthly representation of heaven is the fake lamb. By which comes corrupt judgements. Then this must first be case into the fire of hell. That is the logical conclusion if we give Christ the title, "righteous". Again Rome, Italy is the only place i can imagine which, would be an earthly representation of heaven, by inclusion of that particular denomination.
REVELATION 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
MATTHEW 24:7
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
What we have is the development of revelation, along side matthew 24. We know that new jerusalem is in heaven, therefore, old jerusalem must be destroyed. We have a parallel picture of this is A.D. 70, when the earthly destruction of the temple in jerusalem, signified the Holy Spirit's end of using orthodoxed churches. Although thats probably a more robust example, and less accurate.
Rev. 16:12, and Matthew 24:7. Seem to point to the period after old jerusalem is destroyed, rather after the earthly temple is destroyed. Which did happen in A.D. 70, and will happen again in this month even, or in the 18th of the month.
The point of this post was simply to demonstrate, that there is a period after the destruction of "old jerusalem", which is connected to the building of "new jerusalem". Hopefully this excites some people into new end time posts. THANKS MATES...
REVELATION 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
MATTHEW 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
We know for a fact that judgement always begins with the ones who claim to know christ. Because these are usually the troublemakers if not always. Rev. 11:1, Is describing judgement that specifically begins with the churches. This is identical to the opening verses of Matthew 24:1-2, in which jesus christ. Specifically identifies, the temples, which are churches, as the first fruits of the judgement for mankind.
These events could happen at anytime, and it probably wouldn't be incorrect, if a statement was made that those scriptures. Are describing Janurary, 2010. However, the only location we could possibly connect that too, would be Rome, Italy. Where there is an "earthly" representation of the kingdom of heaven. Which if the new jerusalem, in heaven was completed being build by this time, then an earthly representation of the "new heaven" would become a blasphemy.
REVELATION 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
MATTHEW 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
We have 2 more descriptions of the church, and judgement, which should come first. If an earthly representation of heaven is the fake lamb. By which comes corrupt judgements. Then this must first be case into the fire of hell. That is the logical conclusion if we give Christ the title, "righteous". Again Rome, Italy is the only place i can imagine which, would be an earthly representation of heaven, by inclusion of that particular denomination.
REVELATION 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
MATTHEW 24:7
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
What we have is the development of revelation, along side matthew 24. We know that new jerusalem is in heaven, therefore, old jerusalem must be destroyed. We have a parallel picture of this is A.D. 70, when the earthly destruction of the temple in jerusalem, signified the Holy Spirit's end of using orthodoxed churches. Although thats probably a more robust example, and less accurate.
Rev. 16:12, and Matthew 24:7. Seem to point to the period after old jerusalem is destroyed, rather after the earthly temple is destroyed. Which did happen in A.D. 70, and will happen again in this month even, or in the 18th of the month.
The point of this post was simply to demonstrate, that there is a period after the destruction of "old jerusalem", which is connected to the building of "new jerusalem". Hopefully this excites some people into new end time posts. THANKS MATES...