Jesus' Conception in Islam

[Sanitarium]

Transliteration: Wamaryama ibnata AAimrana allatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feehi min roohina wasaddaqat bikalimati rabbiha wakutubihi wakanat mina alqaniteena

Literal: And Mary Amran's daughter who remained chaste (protected) her genital parts between her legs, so We blew in it from Our Soul/Spirit , and she confirmed/was truthful with her Lord's words/expressions, and His Books , and she was from the worshipping humbly

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﴿وَمَرْيَمَ ابْنَةَ عÙÂمْرَانَ الَّتÙÂÙ‰ أَحْصَنَتْ ÙÂَرْجَهَا﴾

(And Maryam, the daughter of `Imran who guarded her chastity (private part).) meaning, who protected and purified her honor, by being chaste and free of immorality,

ï´¿ÙÂÙŽÙ†ÙŽÙÂَخْنَا ÙÂÙÂيه٠مÙÂÙ† رÙÂّوحÙÂنَا﴾

(And We breathed into it (private part) through Our Ruh,) meaning, through the angel Jibril. Allah sent the angel Jibril to Maryam, and he came to her in the shape of a man in every respect. Allah commanded him to blow into a gap of her garment and that breath went into her womb through her private part; this is how `Isa was conceived.

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The other tafsir's and English translations are quite embarrassed by this and render it simply that she "guarded her chastity" and that Gabriel "blew into her garment/shirt/sleeve" LOL.

More expansive information here & here

So part of the reason Muslims are so disgusted that God could possibly have a son (Christianity) is that they think God physically had sex with Mary - and why wouldn't they? In Islam, Allah sent Jibriel down to blow into Mary's vagina in order to conceive Isa (Jesus).

 

[Love25]

Transliteration: Wamaryama ibnata AAimrana allatee ahsanat farjaha fanafakhna feehi min roohina wasaddaqat bikalimati rabbiha wakutubihi wakanat mina alqaniteena

Literal: And Mary Amran's daughter who remained chaste (protected) her genital parts between her legs, so We blew in it from Our Soul/Spirit , and she confirmed/was truthful with her Lord's words/expressions, and His Books , and she was from the worshipping humbly

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[quote="Tafsir 'ibn Kathir (excerpt):":whalggfs]
﴿وَمَرْيَمَ ابْنَةَ عÙÂمْرَانَ الَّتÙÂÙ‰ أَحْصَنَتْ ÙÂَرْجَهَا﴾

(And Maryam, the daughter of `Imran who guarded her chastity (private part).) meaning, who protected and purified her honor, by being chaste and free of immorality,

ï´¿ÙÂÙŽÙ†ÙŽÙÂَخْنَا ÙÂÙÂيه٠مÙÂÙ† رÙÂّوحÙÂنَا﴾

(And We breathed into it (private part) through Our Ruh,) meaning, through the angel Jibril. Allah sent the angel Jibril to Maryam, and he came to her in the shape of a man in every respect. Allah commanded him to blow into a gap of her garment and that breath went into her womb through her private part; this is how `Isa was conceived.

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The other tafsir's and English translations are quite embarrassed by this and render it simply that she "guarded her chastity" and that Gabriel "blew into her garment/shirt/sleeve" LOL.

More expansive information here & here

So part of the reason Muslims are so disgusted that God could possibly have a son (Christianity) is that they think God physically had sex with Mary - and why wouldn't they? In Islam, Allah sent Jibriel down to blow into Mary's vagina in order to conceive Isa (Jesus).[/quote:whalggfs]

You are manking Fun about Vrigin Mary (pbuh)

or you:

Are you making fun about christians!?

﴿وَمَرْيَمَ ابْنَةَ عÙÂمْرَانَ الَّتÙÂÙ‰ أَحْصَنَتْ ÙÂَرْجَهَا﴾

You wrote that different translations translate this in different way, and this can be understood becuase Arabic is very reach and strong and the word used in Arabic to trnalsate it you need to EXPLAIN it becuase there is no word equal to it in English, so all what you did now is showing you lack of knolegde about Arabic!

See we Muslims would never make FUN from Jesus (pbuh) or vrigin Mary (pbuh)!

And it is intresting to see Moderators dont delete such thread that make fun about Vrigin Mary (pbuh)!

and by the way what you wrote shows that you didnt understand the verse itself although it is not that too long verse as the verse says what it means:

That no one TOUCHED HER including Arachangel Gabriel (pbuh) in the low level way you describe it!

Peace

 

[Sanitarium]

You are manking Fun about Vrigin Mary (pbuh)

No I'm not. I'm making fun of the Quran translators (and tafsir masters) who were too embarrassed to translate this part of the Quran correctly.

﴿وَمَرْيَمَ ابْنَةَ عÙÂمْرَانَ الَّتÙÂÙ‰ أَحْصَنَتْ ÙÂَرْجَهَا﴾

LOL even Google translator gets it right! Does that mean Google translator is better than the Classical Arabic experts, or that the experts were too ashamed to translate correctly?

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and this can be understood becuase Arabic is very reach and strong and the word used in Arabic to trnalsate it you need to EXPLAIN it becuase there is no word equal to it in English, so all what you did now is showing you lack of knolegde about Arabic!

Google seems to know better than you. Also I linked to a couple of articles that go into this issue more indepth. So your claims that I'm simply wrong, need evidence I'm afraid.

And it is intresting to see Moderators dont delete such thread that make fun about Vrigin Mary (pbuh)!

As stated I'm not making fun of Mary - I'm making fun of the embarrassed translators. However, when a moderator/admin comes online you are free to PM them about this thread and we will see what they think, ok?

That no one TOUCHED HER including Arachangel Gabriel (pbuh) in the low level way you describe it!

I didn't describe it - Kathir explained it and the Quran verse is right there.

 

[Love25]

You are manking Fun about Vrigin Mary (pbuh)

No I'm not. I'm making fun of the Quran translators (and tafsir masters) who were too embarrassed to translate this part of the Quran correctly.

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﴿وَمَرْيَمَ ابْنَةَ عÙÂمْرَانَ الَّتÙÂÙ‰ أَحْصَنَتْ ÙÂَرْجَهَا﴾

LOL even Google translator gets it right! Does that mean Google translator is better than the Classical Arabic experts, or that the experts were too ashamed to translate correctly?

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and this can be understood becuase Arabic is very reach and strong and the word used in Arabic to trnalsate it you need to EXPLAIN it becuase there is no word equal to it in English, so all what you did now is showing you lack of knolegde about Arabic!

Google seems to know better than you. Also I linked to a couple of articles that go into this issue more indepth. So your claims that I'm simply wrong, need evidence I'm afraid.

And it is intresting to see Moderators dont delete such thread that make fun about Vrigin Mary (pbuh)!

As stated I'm not making fun of Mary - I'm making fun of the embarrassed translators. However, when a moderator/admin comes online you are free to PM them about this thread and we will see what they think, ok?

That no one TOUCHED HER including Arachangel Gabriel (pbuh) in the low level way you describe it!

I didn't describe it - Kathir explained it and the Quran verse is right there.[/quote:95lvuge3]

If your problem is how Quran described how she became pregnant then you will not fidn better then Quran to describe that:

1- it is not God who come on her and begett child!
2- No one Touched her even Archangel Garbriel!

And in addition only Holy Quran mention first mIracle of Jesus (pbuh) not mentioned else were and that when Virgin Mary returned to her Jewish People, who used to stone any women who comitt fornication or adultry due to Torah laws so what about Vrigin mary coming to them with Child without father!?

So Quran says that Jesus (pbuh) spoke at this moment and defended his mother, so Virgin mary (pbuh) didnt have to LIE also Joseph didnt have to lie and say that he is the Father and for usre God dont make plan built on Lie!

Peace

 

[Sanitarium]

1- it is not God who come on her and begett child!
2- No one Touched her even Archangel Garbriel!

I have no made such statements! This is a strawman attack (logical fallacy). I stated that the evidence shows that Jibriel blew into Mary's vagina in order to conceive Isa.

The rest of your post is irrelevant to this issue.

 

[Love25]

[/quote]
I have no made such statements! This is a strawman attack (logical fallacy). I stated that the evidence shows that Jibriel blew into Mary's vagina in order to conceive Isa.

The rest of your post is irrelevant to this issue.[/quote]

So Virgin Mary (pbuh) were never touched so what is your problem in that!?

And the rest of what I said have Direct relation with this subject and that Muslims respects Virgin Mary (pbuh) and that Holy Quran talks about her in very respectable way that we cannot find in any other source, and even give us UNIQUE Miracle of jesus (pbuh) mentioned in Holy Quran that shows that Virign Mary (pbuh) never Lied!

Peace

 

[Sanitarium]

So Virgin Mary (pbuh) were never touched so what is your problem in that!?

My point is made in the first post (read it again).

 

[Love25]

So Virgin Mary (pbuh) were never touched so what is your problem in that!?

My point is made in the first post (read it again).

Point is that all what you made is FUN from Virgin Mary (pbuh), and FUN from christian beleives but you didnt notice that, as I understood from what you wrote!

Peace

 

[Sanitarium]

Point is that all what you made is FUN from Virgin Mary (pbuh), and FUN from christian beleives but you didnt notice that, as I understood from what you wrote!

So you keep claiming. We can wait for the moderators to weigh in on whether or not I'm 'making fun' of Mary - but I should think (at least to my reading) it is obvious what I'm making fun of here.

Until then, let's get back to the topic, okay?

If the Quran is the perfect word of Allah, why should the translators be so ashamed to translate this correctly? Why, if Allah is capable of all things, should he need to send Jibriel, in the form of a man, to impregnate Mary by blowing into her vagina? Couldn't he just impregnate her by saying "Be!"

 

[Love25]

Point is that all what you made is FUN from Virgin Mary (pbuh), and FUN from christian beleives but you didnt notice that, as I understood from what you wrote!

So you keep claiming. We can wait for the moderators to weigh in on whether or not I'm 'making fun' of Mary - but I should think (at least to my reading) it is obvious what I'm making fun of here.

Until then, let's get back to the topic, okay?

If the Quran is the perfect word of Allah, why should the translators be so ashamed to translate this correctly? Why, if Allah is capable of all things, should he need to send Jibriel, in the form of a man, to impregnate Mary by blowing into her vagina? Couldn't he just impregnate her by saying "Be!"

Who said that anyone were ashamed of anything beside Holy Quran is in Arabic and every translator they translate the meaning of Quran in the how own words and this is not pronblem in Quran becuase we always can return to Original!?

And you are free to assume what you want, but I repeat again that you insulted Virgin Mary (pbuh) and I dont need anyone to tell me that, and any christian who realy repsect and Love this woman will not find any problem to find that you insulted her!

Peace

 

[Gabe]

Point is that all what you made is FUN from Virgin Mary (pbuh), and FUN from christian beleives but you didnt notice that, as I understood from what you wrote!

So you keep claiming. We can wait for the moderators to weigh in on whether or not I'm 'making fun' of Mary - but I should think (at least to my reading) it is obvious what I'm making fun of here.

Until then, let's get back to the topic, okay?

If the Quran is the perfect word of Allah, why should the translators be so ashamed to translate this correctly? Why, if Allah is capable of all things, should he need to send Jibriel, in the form of a man, to impregnate Mary by blowing into her vagina? Couldn't he just impregnate her by saying "Be!"

Who said that anyone were ashamed of anything beside Holy Quran is in Arabic and every translator they translate the meaning of Quran in the how own words and this is not pronblem in Quran becuase we always can return to Original!?

And you are free to assume what you want, but I repeat again that you insulted Virgin Mary (pbuh) and I dont need anyone to tell me that, and any christian who realy repsect and Love this woman will not find any problem to find that you insulted her!

Peace

I'll have to disagree. Upon reading the OP by Sanitarium, its intentions are clearly to point out an inaccurate translation of the Quran into English and an Islamic truth, not to ridicule Mary (in general) or Christianity. In the future if you are offended by a post, please use the "report" button found on the upper right-hand side of that particular post and refrain from accusing other Members without cause on a public forum. Thank you.

 

[Sanitarium]

@Gabriel Ali: Thank you! Love25 I hope that is the end of that?

Who said that anyone were ashamed of anything beside Holy Quran is in Arabic and every translator they translate the meaning of Quran in the how own words and this is not pronblem in Quran becuase we always can return to Original!?

Yes and that's what we have done - returned to the original language. What other motive could the translators have had when translating this, other than covering up something so embarrassing? Remember, you previously stated:

"becuase there is no word equal to it in English"

But I have shown you (and so has Google translator) that there is an equal word in English - it just happens to be embarrassing (in context). It has been done to make Islam look better (to non-Arabic speakers) than it actually is.

Let me give you another example, but this time from the ahadith. Read this hadith translated (of course) by Mushin Khan:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

When Ma'iz bin Malik came to the Prophet (in order to confess), the Prophet said to him, "Probably you have only kissed (the lady), or winked, or looked at her?" He said, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" The Prophet said, using no euphemism, "Did you have sexual intercourse with her?" The narrator added: At that, (i.e. after his confession) the Prophet ordered that he be stoned (to death).
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Nice huh? Now the Arabic:

حدثنا †â€Âعبد الله بن محمد الجعÙÂÙŠ †â€Âحدثنا †â€Âوهب بن جرير †â€Âحدثنا †â€Âأبي †â€Âقال سمعت †â€Âيعلى بن حكيم †â€Âعن †â€Âعكرمة †â€Âعن †â€Âابن عباس †â€Âرضي الله عنهما †â€Âقال â€Â
لما أتى †â€Âماعز بن مالك †â€Âالنبي †â€Âصلى الله عليه وسلم †â€Âقال له لعلك قبلت أو غمزت أو نظرت قال لا يا رسول الله قال أنكتها â€Â
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(excuse my formatting I'm not using my computer with Arabic language support today)

أنكتها = Anektaha = "Did you f*** her?"

Please excuse my frankness, but I bring forward this mistranslation by Mushin Khan in order to show that the translators in many cases deliberately mistranslate things from Arabic, in order to make Islam look better. What I mean is that the mistranslations are not accidental, because they ALWAYS make Islam (and Muhammad) look better (and not worse, which you would expect sometimes if it were accidental).

Notice that not only has Mushin Khan mistranslated the above hadith, but we know he has done it deliberately because he added with no Euphemism. The fact is, this narration has Muhammad using a Euphemism, so Mushin Khan has added it as further misdirection and he has deliberately distorted the original text. This is, again, not a case of 'no suitable word in English'.

 

[Love25]

I'll have to disagree. Upon reading the OP by Sanitarium, its intentions are clearly to point out an inaccurate translation of the Quran into English and an Islamic truth, not to ridicule Mary (in general) or Christianity. In the future if you are offended by a post, please use the "report" button found on the upper right-hand side of that particular post and refrain from accusing other Members without cause on a public forum. Thank you.

Very sad that you dont see his/her insults to Virgin Mary (pbuh) but anyway this only shows that we Muslims love and respect her more then anyone else and not only by words!

May Allah (swt) guide you!

Peace

 

[Rick W]

The Mary of Christianity bore the Son of God. The Mary of Islam did not.

 

[Gabe]

I'll have to disagree. Upon reading the OP by Sanitarium, its intentions are clearly to point out an inaccurate translation of the Quran into English and an Islamic truth, not to ridicule Mary (in general) or Christianity. In the future if you are offended by a post, please use the "report" button found on the upper right-hand side of that particular post and refrain from accusing other Members without cause on a public forum. Thank you.

Very sad that you dont see his/her insults to Virgin Mary (pbuh) but anyway this only shows that we Muslims love and respect her more then anyone else and not only by words!

May Allah (swt) guide you!

Peace

On the contrary, it is Islam which only respects her by words. As pointed out by Rick; there is no bigger honour that can be placed on a women that to give birth to the Son of God....and then there is Catholic Christianity....

 

[Rick W]

Christianity describes a woman who gave birth to the Son of God. Islam describes someone else bearing another Jesus. The Jesus of Mormonism is also another Jesus and the late Mormon prophet, Gordon Hinckley, said so. Why Islam can't admit it I don't know.
The Jesus of Christianity is our Lord and Savior through whom we come to the Father. The Jesus of Islam does not have that authority.

 

[Gabe]

Christianity describes a woman who gave birth to the Son of God. Islam describes someone else bearing another Jesus. The Jesus of Mormonism is also another Jesus and the late Mormon prophet, Gordon Hinckley, said so. Why Islam can't admit it I don't know.
The Jesus of Christianity is our Lord and Savior through whom we come to the Father. The Jesus of Islam does not have that authority.

It aids in converting a few gullible Christians. When it comes to insulting our beliefs (as opposed to defending theirs) they have plenty to say about the "biblical" Jesus.

 

[Love25]

Christianity describes a woman who gave birth to the Son of God. Islam describes someone else bearing another Jesus. The Jesus of Mormonism is also another Jesus and the late Mormon prophet, Gordon Hinckley, said so. Why Islam can't admit it I don't know.
The Jesus of Christianity is our Lord and Savior through whom we come to the Father. The Jesus of Islam does not have that authority.

actualy the religion of God is ONE!

Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is one, and by the way he called himself Prophet in the Bible!!

Vrigin mary are ONE!

But we have different human Ideas and opinions and inventions while there is only ONE TRUTH!

And those who have TRUTH in their side never ever have problem to discuss it in public and answer all Questions concerning Main beleives!

May Allah (swt) guide us all!

Peace

Peace

 

[Gabe]

As I have mentioned in another thread, The New Testament was written within two generations of Christ's death and resurrection and many of the historical details in the Old and New Testament have been confirmed, while the distorted biblical stories found within the Quran were written over five-hundred years later and are simply based off of them. Why should we accept the Quran as the divine revelations of Allah and not simply the words of Mohammad? He was several hundreds of years removed from the actual event he was describing. Was he there when Jibriel blew into "Mary's" vagina?

 

[Rick W]

Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is one, and by the way he called himself Prophet in the Bible!!

I'm glad to see you believe the bible pointing out the scripture within to make your case.

Here's just a few other verses you may be interested in.

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Mat 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?

Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mar 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Mat 27:43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.