Jesus....DID NOT....Use His God-Power

[Solo]

Who is talking about Baptism?

All of that in my post and all you ask is "who is talking about baptism?"

Funny. :D

 

[Guest]

All of that in my post and all you ask is "who is talking about baptism?"

Funny. :D

Yes, Solo - I found it funny. I found it funny that in a discussion about regeneration and born again - that twice you mentioned 'baptism' and that it seemed you changed subject matter to talk about what baptism is or ins't in regards to salvation.

My concept of regeneration is that we are born with both the physical and non-physical (I am a dichotomist) - both of which are corrupt and tainted with sin. When we are 'born of the spirit' - it is when our non-physical is 'born again' and is renegerated through the work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

As such, we are no longer chained to the bondage of sin, but rather we are a new creation in Christ Jesus. Our physical body still waits to be 'born anew' through bodily resurrection.

 

[Solo]

Yes, Solo - I found it funny. I found it funny that in a discussion about regeneration and born again - that twice you mentioned 'baptism' and that it seemed you changed subject matter to talk about what baptism is or ins't in regards to salvation.

My concept of regeneration is that we are born with both the physical and non-physical (I am a dichotomist) - both of which are corrupt and tainted with sin. When we are 'born of the spirit' - it is when our non-physical is 'born again' and is renegerated through the work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

As such, we are no longer chained to the bondage of sin, but rather we are a new creation in Christ Jesus. Our physical body still waits to be 'born anew' through bodily resurrection.

Your understanding is similar to the Roman Catholic teachings, and they claim that one is born again when one is baptized whether infant or not. Your claim of regeneration is similar. What you are failing to understand is that the term born again relates to being born from above, born of God. When one is born one is a new creature, not a regenerated creature. The Old man did not have anything to regenerate, but instead was able to be born of the Spirit. Again, I ask, when one is born of the flesh is one reborn or newly born? The answer is newly born. So it stands to reason that when one is born of the Spirit of God, one is newly born spiritually and will have eternal life based on the New born of God creature.

 

[cyberjosh]

Thank you for your elaboration Solo, I see where you are coming from but I must take note of a few more things (please bear with me an I seek to expound good doctrine):

It is the cleansing the flesh of all sin by crucifying it with Christ Jesus at the cross.

Wait a minute. The evil flesh is not cleansed at all, it is still corrupted daily. I hope you are not confusing our sin nature (the flesh) with our physical body (having flesh). It seemed like you were doing that, correct me if I am wrong. But the physical body is neutral and can be used to glorify God. But the evil flesh (our old man) was crucified, yet it is still living (in a corrupt state) and Paul tells us to put off the old man (because it still lingers - and we have a choice, thats why there are warnings) and to put on the new.

Consider this quote from this web site:

"The Apostle Paul, whose marvelous regeneration has seldom if ever been surpassed by any, was compelled to say many, years after he had been regenerated that "I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me" (Rom. 7:18).
The flesh is in no way changed in regeneration; there will be a change wrought in the outward behavior of those who have been genuinely regenerated, but this is to be accounted for by the fact that the natural sinfulness of the flesh is restrained by the higher, spiritual nature of man which is changed in the new birth. It is because the fleshly nature is unchanged that there is the constant warfare between the two natures in the believer, to which reference is made in Galatians 5:16-17: "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."

I completely agree.

 

[Solo]

Thank you for your elaboration Solo, I see where you are coming from but I must take note of a few more things (please bear with me an I seek to expound good doctrine):



Wait a minute. The evil flesh is not cleansed at all, it is still corrupted daily. I hope you are not confusing our sin nature (the flesh) with our physical body (having flesh). It seemed like you were doing that, correct me if I am wrong. But the physical body is neutral and can be used to glorify God. But the evil flesh (our old man) was crucified, yet it is still living (in a corrupt state) and Paul tells us to put off the old man (because it still lingers - and we have a choice, thats why there are warnings) and to put on the new.

Consider this quote from this web site:

"The Apostle Paul, whose marvelous regeneration has seldom if ever been surpassed by any, was compelled to say many, years after he had been regenerated that "I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me" (Rom. 7:18).
The flesh is in no way changed in regeneration; there will be a change wrought in the outward behavior of those who have been genuinely regenerated, but this is to be accounted for by the fact that the natural sinfulness of the flesh is restrained by the higher, spiritual nature of man which is changed in the new birth. It is because the fleshly nature is unchanged that there is the constant warfare between the two natures in the believer, to which reference is made in Galatians 5:16-17: "This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would."

I completely agree.

You are right, the cleansing of the flesh does not take place. The atonement of the flesh would be a better statement. The flesh will never be cleansed. It will be replaced.