Jesus is all you need

[MISFIT]

It is my believ that - with christian experience and with a deeper conversion as the disciples had at calvary, the arguing between denominational differences will cease between true christians. In this I do not believe all will accept positions of another church, just I/we will stop judging and dispising others of a different faith or belief.

I'll give ya that.

 

[whitecloud]

Hi,

I once was asked to teach a new believers sunday school class for new believers. I had just finished Daniel and the growing church really needed some additional founding in the Word.

At the second meetingas we heard the shouts and praise from a worship service in the santuary the group seemed ansiouse to go praise the Lord. As I opened in prayer and turned to the area of the great commandment and great commission, half the class simply didn't want to follow.

At the end of the class a bearded long haired gentleman came up to me and said, " hey Phil, you know as well as the rest of us, If you have Jesus, You have it all".

No one can argue the point. All I could say was"Thy Word have I hid in my heart, that I might not sin against thee". He and the class acted like that was a ton of works and doctrin. What would you think or do? I wanted to start singing Jesus loves me this I know.....

There is more, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my word indures forever". What do you think?

 

[turnorburn]

If I can make an observation I feel the best way for a new Christian to grow is to be sent out with another new Christian into the streets of a city or township about the strike of midnight, daytime will do if that's what God wants for you, then try out your new armor that God has provided each and everyone of us. I've done it after being saved just a short while, the reason is simple spiritual maturity is much like growing up with your family. Dad wants to teach you how to swim, "His Technique" throw you in while he's right there to reach out if something goes wrong. :smt045


turnorburn

 

[one_lost_coin]

We need the truth. Jesus is the truth. So yes all we need is Jesus and to follow Him on His terms in all humility. That above all does not mean you are ok if you are in a church that does not teach the faith as Jesus handed on to the Apostles and has been handed down to this day.

Only one of the Churches on that list teaches the fullness of the truth. The rest have some truth in varying ways and to varying degrees. God will lead us into His truth and we must be willing to hear and obey Him and find the one Church he established for our sanctification.

 

[MISFIT]

We need the truth. Jesus is the truth. So yes all we need is Jesus and to follow Him on His terms in all humility. That above all does not mean you are ok if you are in a church that does not teach the faith as Jesus handed on to the Apostles and has been handed down to this day.

Only one of the Churches on that list teaches the fullness of the truth. The rest have some truth in varying ways and to varying degrees. God will lead us into His truth and we must be willing to hear and obey Him and find the one Church he established for our sanctification.

And just which one is that?

 

[St Francis]

...All we need is Jesus am I right?...

Thats not what Jesus said.

 

[MISFIT]

...All we need is Jesus am I right?...

Thats not what Jesus said.

Care to elaborate?

 

[knerd]

I think St. Francis is bringing up a good point. Do we take the Bible literally? Metaphorically? Or seriously?

Jesus did not literally say "All you need is me," but many believers feel that the overall interpretation of Jesus' life--or even the interpretation of a particular verse--MEANS that "All you need is Jesus." Even those who quote John's interpretation that "no one comes to the Father except through (or by) me" often feel Jesus is actually talking about himself as a particular human ego rather than a way of life.

It's all interpretation. If the Bible is inerrant, does that mean that our understanding of the Bible is also inerrant?

That's my interpretation. :wink:

 

[St Francis]

...All we need is Jesus am I right?...

Thats not what Jesus said.

Care to elaborate?

Well, the answer is good for probably about 20 threads on 20 different topics. But to put it as simply as I can, I would challenge you to read a gospel - maybe John - and try to set your antennae to note every time Jesus says you must "DO" something.
....you must be born of water and spirit...
....you must eat my flesh and drinnk my blood...
....do this in memory of me....
....if you love me you will keep my commandments...

Those are 4, real quick off the top of my head. But, again, if you read John (or any gospel) and really keep an eye out for every time Jesus says you must do something, you may be surprised at how many times He puts requirements out there.

Oh, and read Matt 25:33-46. Only those who do corporal works of mercy in that discourse go to heaven. Or how about after the Lord's Prayer, when he says if you do not forgive others then God will not forgive you. Oh man, there's a bunch of stuff like that.

 

[MISFIT]

Well, the answer is good for probably about 20 threads on 20 different topics. But to put it as simply as I can, I would challenge you to read a gospel - maybe John - and try to set your antennae to note every time Jesus says you must "DO" something.
....you must be born of water and spirit...
....you must eat my flesh and drinnk my blood...
....do this in memory of me....
....if you love me you will keep my commandments...

Those are 4, real quick off the top of my head. But, again, if you read John (or any gospel) and really keep an eye out for every time Jesus says you must do something, you may be surprised at how many times He puts requirements out there.

Oh, and read Matt 25:33-46. Only those who do corporal works of mercy in that discourse go to heaven. Or how about after the Lord's Prayer, when he says if you do not forgive others then God will not forgive you. Oh man, there's a bunch of stuff like that.

Ah legalism, I'm so glad I don't follow your path. So tell me what happens if you fail to do these things yet still love and worship GOD?

 

[St Francis]

Well, the answer is good for probably about 20 threads on 20 different topics. But to put it as simply as I can, I would challenge you to read a gospel - maybe John - and try to set your antennae to note every time Jesus says you must "DO" something.
....you must be born of water and spirit...
....you must eat my flesh and drinnk my blood...
....do this in memory of me....
....if you love me you will keep my commandments...

Those are 4, real quick off the top of my head. But, again, if you read John (or any gospel) and really keep an eye out for every time Jesus says you must do something, you may be surprised at how many times He puts requirements out there.

Oh, and read Matt 25:33-46. Only those who do corporal works of mercy in that discourse go to heaven. Or how about after the Lord's Prayer, when he says if you do not forgive others then God will not forgive you. Oh man, there's a bunch of stuff like that.

Ah legalism, I'm so glad I don't follow your path. So tell me what happens if you fail to do these things yet still love and worship GOD?

Hey, I'm just saying what The Bible says. I didn't write the Bible.

 

[MISFIT]

....you must eat my flesh and drink my blood...

Here's my problem with transubtantiation, cannibalism is clear forbidden by the Torah, and since Jesus him self said he did not come to destroy the law why do you think it's OK to eat his flesh? Communion is purely symbolic.

 

[stranger]

....you must eat my flesh and drink my blood...

Here's my problem with transubtantiation, cannibalism is clear forbidden by the Torah, and since Jesus him self said he did not come to destroy the law why do you think it's OK to eat his flesh? Communion is purely symbolic.

Hi MISFIT,

I'm interested in answering this one although your post was not addressed to me. Did you know that the early church was accused of cannibalism?

The Church is comprised of the Church on earth and in heaven. Since we must be members of the Church on earth before we can be members of the Church in heaven we observe the Apostolic principle: first comes the physical then the spiritual.

Since the body of Christ on earth is properly called the Church, and the Church is comprised of the Church on earth and in heaven, we must have both the physical and the spiritual presence of Christ in the Church on earth. If the presence of Christ's flesh and blood is only symbolic in the eucharist then the Church cannot be properly called the body of Christ for what body does not have the presence of flesh and blood?

If the charge of cannibalsim is brought against the Church on earth today, as it was brought against the early Church which is now in heaven, and the Church is comprised of the Church on earth and in heaven - the charge of cannibalism would only prove the Church is one and the same.

blessings

 

[St Francis]

....you must eat my flesh and drink my blood...

Here's my problem with transubtantiation, cannibalism is clear forbidden by the Torah, and since Jesus him self said he did not come to destroy the law why do you think it's OK to eat his flesh? Communion is purely symbolic.

Here is the problem with your statement: Let us say, for the sake of argument, that Jesus was only speaking symbolically in John 6. Even then, Jesus' holiness would not allow him to tell us do do something evil or wrong, even if only symbolically. Jesus could not, for example, tell us to "symbollicaly" sacrafice children or murder people, or anything else like that, because it would be bad, even if it WERE only some "symbolic" ritual. Likewise, if what you are saying were correct, then Jesus could not have even made the statement symbolically.

...Did you know that the early church was accused of cannibalism?....

Good point. The Romans, just like MISFIT, misunderstood the Eucharistic celebration, and used those accusations to persecute the early church