Jesus is God and Savior

[R7-12]

R7-12
I have just spent the past hour reading many of your post.
I have decided that you are a false teacher. Why are you making things up?
Why have you not answered my other questions?
Why do you twist the glorias scriptures?
Why do you pick and choose what questions you will answer.
Why do you want to take away Jesus Glory?
There are many warnings through out the scriptures of people like you.
This rebuke is very much out of my Character but the bible says to expose people like you. Unitarium beliefs have proven to be heretical through out history. Why are you even on a Christian forum. This forum is for Christ followers and your not a christ follower.
I along with many others will await your reply.

God Bless Oscar

What an unusual blessing.
Or was it for yourself - as it appears to be written?

Well, I don’t want to keep you waiting…

I have just spent the past hour reading many of your post.
I have decided that you are a false teacher. Why are you making things up?

You are entitled to your opinion just as everyone is, but if you have already judged me before any evidence against me has been offered, then why don’t you carry on with my sentencing instead of bringing more false accusations against me?

The fact of the matter is I have not made anything up. If you have determined I am teaching falsely, then present your case.

Why have you not answered my other questions?

Which questions are you referring to?

Tell you what; I will answer all of your questions if you will answer all of mine. Deal?

I’ve already begun with the questions from your last post.

Why do you twist the glorias scriptures?

I haven’t. If you think otherwise, then present your case.

Why do you pick and choose what questions you will answer.

I’m not aware that I have, but since you claim to have read many of my posts, have you noticed that no answers to my questions have been offered – only responses? And most of those are quite unfriendly. What I have received are personal attacks and rude remarks but no one seems able to engage in a direct conversation.

Why do you want to take away Jesus Glory?

I do not wish to take anything away from Scripture, and certainly not from my Lord and Savior, but tell me, why do Trinitarians insist on adding what is not there?

There are many warnings through out the scriptures of people like you.

Oh? Please provide one Scripture that warns against those who believe Messiah is the son of God, who came in the form of a man.

This rebuke is very much out of my Character but the bible says to expose people like you.

It does? Please provide one Scripture that says people who believe Messiah is the son of God, who came in the form of a man, are to be exposed.

Then go ahead and proceed with your exposition, I’m interested in hearing your case.

Unitarium beliefs have proven to be heretical through out history.

Really? Well not a stitch of evidence has been provided on this board the whole time I’ve posted here. If you think you can prove it wrong then answer the only question on the Impossible Questions for Trinitarians thread that no one has yet been able to.

Why are you even on a Christian forum.
This forum is for Christ followers and your not a christ follower.

Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand (Romans 14:4).

I along with many others will await your reply.

And I await yours.

R7-12

 

[Klee shay]

Solo, I am a child of God for I have already confessed Jesus has come in the flesh - there is no "when I" to appease you into believing your interpretation is correct.

In the face of my contradicting original scriptures, you tell me I have gotten the wrong message? :o

Doesn't it concern you there is a new message contained in your bible that does not align with mine? The NKJV is meant to be derived from the KJV and yet the message given is totally different. When did this happen? Who approved it? And why doesn't it align with the testimony of Jesus in the flesh?

 

[Solo]

Solo, I am a child of God for I have already confessed Jesus has come in the flesh

Which Jesus came in the flesh? Jesus the created one, or Jesus the creator?

 

[Klee shay]

By the way, who was satan tempting in the wilderness? Jesus Christ. What did Jesus tell satan when being tempted?

It seems strange to you that Satan would tempt the one God would call his Son? Do you conclude that because Satan tempted Jesus that makes him God?

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Matthew 4:7

And Jesus made his reply under the premise "it is written"? That is very important because God was the one who declared this truth to mankind first. It was this prior testimony Jesus was referring to when answering Satan. Therefore it was God's authority Jesus admonished his temptations with.

As a man, Jesus himself said if he testified of himself it would mean nothing. If "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" was said by Jesus in reference to himself, then it has no effect and Satan would've had victory of over the temptation of Christ.

It was the fact Jesus referred to his father's authority "it is written" that vanquished the enemy's temptations.

 

[Johny]

So Jesus was on the same level as Satan and chose to be good? If they were both created...and since creation has free will.

 

[Solo]

By the way, who was satan tempting in the wilderness? Jesus Christ. What did Jesus tell satan when being tempted?

It seems strange to you that Satan would tempt the one God would call his Son? Do you conclude that because Satan tempted Jesus that makes him God?

7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Matthew 4:7

And Jesus made his reply under the premise "it is written"? That is very important because God was the one who declared this truth to mankind first. It was this prior testimony Jesus was referring to when answering Satan. Therefore it was God's authority Jesus admonished his temptations with.

As a man, Jesus himself said if he testified of himself it would mean nothing. If "Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God" was said by Jesus in reference to himself, then it has no effect and Satan would've had victory of over the temptation of Christ.

It was the fact Jesus referred to his father's authority "it is written" that vanquished the enemy's temptations.

You are very confused about who Jesus is. Jesus told the Pharisees that did not believe that Jesus was God, that before Abraham was, I am. The Pharisees recognized on numerous occasions that Jesus claimed to be God, and they were ready to stone him for such a blasphemy. You would have been right there with them picking out a good rock to throw.

Jesus told satan, that the Word of God proclaimed that he shouldn't tempt God. Jesus is God and satan was tempting him. Simple.

Now if you would kindly answer the question that I posed (and that I already know your answer), which Jesus came in the flesh, the created one or the creator?

 

[Klee shay]

Solo, I am a child of God for I have already confessed Jesus has come in the flesh

Which Jesus came in the flesh? Jesus the created one, or Jesus the creator?

Based on the scriptural evidence the created Jesus. Otherwise his sonship has no effect on the Gospel he preached, wouldn't you agree?

 

[Solo]

[quote="Klee shay":ad28a]Solo, I am a child of God for I have already confessed Jesus has come in the flesh

Which Jesus came in the flesh? Jesus the created one, or Jesus the creator?

Based on the scriptural evidence the created Jesus. Otherwise his sonship has no effect on the Gospel he preached, wouldn't you agree?[/quote:ad28a]
A created Jesus is found nowhere in the Scriptures. In fact, the Scriptures declare that Jesus created all things and that all things were created for himself. If Jesus was not God and only a created being, then Jesus name would not have been prophesied in Isaiah as being Immanuel, God with us; or Everlasting Father, Almighty, etc.

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:15-18


8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest F2 not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. 9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, 11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. Revelation 4:8-11

 

[Klee shay]

You are very confused about who Jesus is. Jesus told the Pharisees that did not believe that Jesus was God, that before Abraham was, I am. The Pharisees recognized on numerous occasions that Jesus claimed to be God, and they were ready to stone him for such a blasphemy. You would have been right there with them picking out a good rock to throw.

Your ability to make grand accusations demonstrates very little towards proving your arguments. Given that I wasn't there to judge the events of the day and given that you wouldn't have been there to witness it either (let alone possessing the spirit you claim to judge me by now); we will never know the TRUTH in your accusation.

Jesus told satan, that the Word of God proclaimed that he shouldn't tempt God. Jesus is God and satan was tempting him. Simple.

Jesus also testified in the scriptures that he could do nothing of himself. How then could he challenge the temptation of Satan on his own, by his own birthright? "It is written", signifies the authority Jesus used.

 

[Klee shay]

A created Jesus is found nowhere in the Scriptures.

Really? So what was all that talk Jesus used about being the Son of God and God declaring that he had begotten him?

 

[Solo]

A created Jesus is found nowhere in the Scriptures.

Really? So what was all that talk Jesus used about being the Son of God and God declaring that he had begotten him?

You claimed that you understood Jesus coming in the flesh?! I thought not.

God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ, and was the firstborn of those who will be resurrected from the dead.

 

[Klee shay]

A created Jesus is found nowhere in the Scriptures.

Really? So what was all that talk Jesus used about being the Son of God and God declaring that he had begotten him?

You claimed that you understood Jesus coming in the flesh?! I thought not.

God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ, and was the firstborn of those who will be resurrected from the dead.

Do you understand what Jesus coming in the flesh means?

 

[Solo]

[quote="Klee shay":ea37a]

A created Jesus is found nowhere in the Scriptures.

Really? So what was all that talk Jesus used about being the Son of God and God declaring that he had begotten him?

You claimed that you understood Jesus coming in the flesh?! I thought not.

God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ, and was the firstborn of those who will be resurrected from the dead.

Do you understand what Jesus coming in the flesh means?[/quote:ea37a]
That one is an easy one for those that are born of God.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:1-14

 

[R7-12]

Just a few points and a few (more impossible) questions for those trinitarians who wish to defend the doctrine.

God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ, and was the firstborn of those who will be resurrected from the dead.

I am familiar with the Scriptures referred to above which state that Christ is the firstborn of those of the first resurrection as Solo mentioned,

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren (Romans 8:29).

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15).

And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence (Colossians 1:18).

But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.†(Hebrews 1:6).

It is a known fact that the English word worship, as per Hebrews 1:6, is a poor rendering of the Greek word proskuneo, from which it was translated.

4532 proskuneu
(meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore)
In the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication.

Aside from that, the text in Hebrews clearly speaks of a time when God will again bring the firstborn into the world as a reference to Jesus Christ.

The English word firstborn in Hebrews 1:6 is the same word used in Colossians 1:15 and 18 and Romans 8:29. it is from the Greek word,

4416 prototokos

1) the firstborn
1a) of man or beast
1b) of Christ, the first born of all creation

The context of these verses speak of the birth of Christ which occurred at his resurrection, thus referring to his begettal by God into a spiritbeing or born elohim, and therefore cannot be referring to his human birth. "That whis is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6).

This ties in harmoniously with the following sequence in Acts,

“And we declare to you glad tidingsâ€â€that promise which was made to the fathers. 33 “God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm: ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten [Fathered] You.’ 34 “And that [because] He raised Him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, He has spoken thus: ‘I will give you the sure mercies of David.’ (Acts 13:32-34).

Thus we see that Christ became the firstborn from the dead at his resurrection at which time he also became the monogenes theos of John 1:18 according to the earliest mss. In other words, Christ was declared the son of God with power (according to the Spirit of holiness) by the resurrection from the dead (Romans 1).

Now if we go back to some of the texts you referred to and read them again,

… the firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15).

the firstborn from the dead … (Colossians 1:18).

… that He might be the firstborn among many brethren (Romans 8:29).

We cannot deny the Bible claims Jesus Christ to be one of our brethren! However, how is it possible that Jesus can be our brother if he is God as the Trinity asserts?

And how can God become a son by resurrection birth making God our brother and co-heir, if God and Christ are the same being?

How can God become an equal or co-heir with us (Galatians 4:7) ?

From whom does the Most High God inherit anything (Hebrews 1:4) ?

I suppose the best questions to ask are, will you choose to attack me personally? Or will you try to defend your beliefs? If you choose the latter, please disregard these last two questions.

Take your time,
R7-12

 

[Solo]

Just a few points and a few (more impossible) questions for those trinitarians who wish to defend the doctrine.

God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ, and was the firstborn of those who will be resurrected from the dead.

I am familiar with the Scriptures referred to above which state that Christ is the firstborn of those of the first resurrection as Solo mentioned,

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren (Romans 8:29).

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15).

And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence (Colossians 1:18).

But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.†(Hebrews 1:6).

It is a known fact that the English word worship, as per Hebrews 1:6, is a poor rendering of the Greek word proskuneo, from which it was translated.

4532 proskuneu
(meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore)
In the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication.

Aside from that, the text in Hebrews clearly speaks of a time when God will again bring the firstborn into the world as a reference to Jesus Christ.

The English word firstborn in Hebrews 1:6 is the same word used in Colossians 1:15 and 18 and Romans 8:29. it is from the Greek word,

4416 prototokos

1) the firstborn
1a) of man or beast
1b) of Christ, the first born of all creation

The context of these verses speak of the birth of Christ which occurred at his resurrection, thus referring to his begettal by God into a spiritbeing or born elohim, and therefore cannot be referring to his human birth. "That whis is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6).

This ties in harmoniously with the following sequence in Acts,

“And we declare to you glad tidingsâ€â€that promise which was made to the fathers. 33 “God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm: ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten [Fathered] You.’ 34 “And that [because] He raised Him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, He has spoken thus: ‘I will give you the sure mercies of David.’ (Acts 13:32-34).

Thus we see that Christ became the firstborn from the dead at his resurrection at which time he also became the monogenes theos of John 1:18 according to the earliest mss. In other words, Christ was declared the son of God with power (according to the Spirit of holiness) by the resurrection from the dead (Romans 1).

Now if we go back to some of the texts you referred to and read them again,

… the firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15).

the firstborn from the dead … (Colossians 1:18).

… that He might be the firstborn among many brethren (Romans 8:29).

We cannot deny the Bible claims Jesus Christ to be one of our brethren! However, how is it possible that Jesus can be our brother if he is God as the Trinity asserts?

And how can God become a son by resurrection birth making God our brother and co-heir, if God and Christ are the same being?

How can God become an equal or co-heir with us (Galatians 4:7) ?

From whom does the Most High God inherit anything (Hebrews 1:4) ?

I suppose the best questions to ask are, will you choose to attack me personally? Or will you try to defend your beliefs? If you choose the latter, please disregard these last two questions.

Take your time,
R7-12

These are easy questions, but the blind and unbelieving have difficulty in seeing the simplistic message that Jesus is God come in the flesh.

We cannot deny the Bible claims Jesus Christ to be one of our brethren! However, how is it possible that Jesus can be our brother if he is God as the Trinity asserts?

God became flesh at the point of conception when God the Spirit formed Jesus Christ in the womb of Mary. Jesus is fully God and fully man. At his physical birth, Jesus was the first born of those that would follow being born of God. All those that are born of God become a new creature. Each of the born of God believers will bodily become just like Jesus when resurrected. Believers will become joint heirs with Jesus. The spot that satan wanted beside God will be given to a fallen creature made of clay redeemed by God.

And how can God become a son by resurrection birth making God our brother and co-heir, if God and Christ are the same being?

Jesus became the Son of God by his physical birth as man. When one is born of the Spirit, he then becomes a joint heir with Jesus Christ. God and Jesus and the Spirit are different persons of the same being. The mystery of godliness is easy to understand by faith, but not in the mind of man.

How can God become an equal or co-heir with us (Galatians 4:7) ?

Again, when one is born of God as Jesus explains in John 3, one becomes a heir of God.

From whom does the Most High God inherit anything (Hebrews 1:4) ?

When you read Hebrews 1:4 in its context you will see that God the Son has inherited all from God the Father. Notice verse 8.

1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

I suppose the best questions to ask are, will you choose to attack me personally? Or will you try to defend your beliefs? If you choose the latter, please disregard these last two questions.

Jesus is the first and only begotten Son of the Father God, and this is the process by which God almighty became flesh to redeem mankind from their sin. Those that are redeemed through belief in Him will become joint heirs with the Son of God as we were adopted into the family of God by being born of the Spirit as Jesus explained in John 3. The Jews did not believe that Jesus was God, and non-trinitarians do not believe that Jesus is God. Jesus disagreed with them and he taught that he was in fact God. Jesus did not eat with or commune with these unbelieving Jews, because they were more into their own way of life, and not in the way of life described in the Scriptures.

17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. 18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

 

[Klee shay]

Do you understand what Jesus coming in the flesh means?

That one is an easy one for those that are born of God.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:1-14

The Word was made flesh yes I understand that part, and the Word WAS God...got that part too. What concerns me is the latter part of the verses provided.

"and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father."

You see in order for the doctrine of trinity to consider itself infallible, it has to align with all scripture. How does God become begotten when it was Jesus who was begotten of the Father?

The John whom you say is declaring Jesus was the Word that WAS God, also said that Jesus was the only begotten of the Father.

Perhaps we should pay closer attention to JOHN 1:4 as well, for it says..."In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

In him (God) was life (Jesus) and the life was the light of men. And this is how God had a son for in HIM was life that was to become the light of men. You see how it originates from the Father and how Jesus respected that order in his ministry too. God first then the Son. If it were not this way then it never would have been taught this way.

Remember that Jesus came in the time when Jews were obeying the Law for the sole purpose of honouring God's will. A Jew who accepted Jesus as the Messiah prophesied of, will not think him God but rather one who had been given authority by God to represent him...as was Moses beforehand. JOHN 1:17 "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."

 

[jgredline]

Just a few points and a few (more impossible) questions for those trinitarians who wish to defend the doctrine.

God came in the flesh as Jesus Christ, and was the firstborn of those who will be resurrected from the dead.

I am familiar with the Scriptures referred to above which state that Christ is the firstborn of those of the first resurrection as Solo mentioned,

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren (Romans 8:29).

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15).

And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence (Colossians 1:18).

But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all the angels of God worship Him.†(Hebrews 1:6).

It is a known fact that the English word worship, as per Hebrews 1:6, is a poor rendering of the Greek word proskuneo, from which it was translated.

4532 proskuneu
(meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore)
In the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication.

Aside from that, the text in Hebrews clearly speaks of a time when God will again bring the firstborn into the world as a reference to Jesus Christ.

The English word firstborn in Hebrews 1:6 is the same word used in Colossians 1:15 and 18 and Romans 8:29. it is from the Greek word,

4416 prototokos

1) the firstborn
1a) of man or beast
1b) of Christ, the first born of all creation

The context of these verses speak of the birth of Christ which occurred at his resurrection, thus referring to his begettal by God into a spiritbeing or born elohim, and therefore cannot be referring to his human birth. "That whis is born of the Spirit is Spirit" (John 3:6).

This ties in harmoniously with the following sequence in Acts,

“And we declare to you glad tidingsâ€â€that promise which was made to the fathers. 33 “God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Jesus. As it is also written in the second Psalm: ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten [Fathered] You.’ 34 “And that [because] He raised Him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, He has spoken thus: ‘I will give you the sure mercies of David.’ (Acts 13:32-34).

Thus we see that Christ became the firstborn from the dead at his resurrection at which time he also became the monogenes theos of John 1:18 according to the earliest mss. In other words, Christ was declared the son of God with power (according to the Spirit of holiness) by the resurrection from the dead (Romans 1).

Now if we go back to some of the texts you referred to and read them again,

… the firstborn over all creation (Colossians 1:15).

the firstborn from the dead … (Colossians 1:18).

… that He might be the firstborn among many brethren (Romans 8:29).

We cannot deny the Bible claims Jesus Christ to be one of our brethren! However, how is it possible that Jesus can be our brother if he is God as the Trinity asserts?

And how can God become a son by resurrection birth making God our brother and co-heir, if God and Christ are the same being?

How can God become an equal or co-heir with us (Galatians 4:7) ?

From whom does the Most High God inherit anything (Hebrews 1:4) ?

I suppose the best questions to ask are, will you choose to attack me personally? Or will you try to defend your beliefs? If you choose the latter, please disregard these last two questions.

Take your time,
R7-12

R7
How much of this is true???
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=23617
It seems to describe your theology.

 

[R7-12]

jgredline wrote,

R7
How much of this is true???
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=23617
It seems to describe your theology.

I'm glad you asked.

This religion is not what I believe or teach. I am not a Unitarian Universalist. It doesn't describe my theology at all. For you to assume it does, indicates how little you know about the doctrines I adhere to.

Even their theism, or form of Unitarianism, differs from that what I believe. So don't try to use anything they teach against me.

I'm sure you would want me to respond to you as though I took you to be a Mormon, JW, Moonie or Muslim.

R7-12

 

[R7-12]

jgredline,

Are you considering answering the questions I posted or not?

Here are a few,

We cannot deny the Bible claims Jesus Christ to be one of our brethren!
So then how is it possible that Jesus can be our brother if he is God as the Trinity asserts?

And how can God become a son by resurrection birth making God our brother and co-heir, if God and Christ are the same being?

How can God become an equal or co-heir with us (Galatians 4:7) ?

From whom does the Most High God inherit anything (Hebrews 1:4) ?

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R7
Yes I will answer your questions.
Right now I am at work and I will address your questions as soon as I get the chance. This afternoon or tonight when I get home.
Lets make this fun though.
I will asnswer 1 of your questions if you will answer 1 of my questions.
and so forth. No dancing around them just answer the questions.
What say you?