Jesus Is God: Part 1

[Randy]

Do we worship men or God?

I worship God my Father and Jesus Christ my Lord.
This is the will of God.

 

[Randy]

Jesus was a man of flesh, he was Mary's son. He had to have come from an egg in her ovary as he was born of the seed (genetics) of David, Abraham and by extension Adam. God somehow kick started that egg into life. Within that human embryo dwelt a Spiritual Being, The eternal Son who was in union with the human being. I think most people say "He was fully God and fully man." Well, this explains how that could be. But I prefer humanity and divinity combined.
The Father initiated the life in that egg, so clearly his father was God as all true believers are. And yet he was born of flesh and blood
Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;"
When sin entered in, God gave the human race the Gift of enmity against Satan. prior to that moment we had an enmity towards God and Satan was the source of that hatred. God had to tip the scales in our favor so He gave us His Son who was the source of our enmity against Satan, for only God can have a hatred of evil without being contaminated by it.
Have you ever felt hatred? It is an ugly thing which contaminates you from within and it comes from the flesh. So God provided His son to give us a divine resistance or enmity against the sophistry of Satan.
I hope this helps

The Son who was, His spirit, was in the body prepared for Him. He is from above and speaks of one who comes from heaven.
His body was Human, His spirit, though not Deity, was before all things and therefore should not be considered human. The Deity that lives in Him with His spirit is the Fathers. They are ONE.
"Father into your hands I commit my spirit"

Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said: “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but a body you prepared for me;
The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. 32He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony. 33Whoever has accepted it has certified that God is truthful

Jesus, as we call Him now, is the only eyewitness of God that has appeared in flesh.

 

[JLB]

Begotten of the Father before all worlds but not made.
I agree in part.
His spirit is begotten. The Father's Deity that was pleased to dwell in Him by the Fathers will is unbegotten.
In that unity the Son is all that the Father is. God, yet even so He is Gods Firstborn. A Son of the Father. Hence Jesus's cohesive testimony that the person of the Father is in fact His God and His Father. He sat down with His Father on His Fathers throne. The New Jerusalem will one day come down from His God to this earth.

I believe "all" that is written of Him not just certain passages of scripture to promote a theological position.

So one more time and this answer will never change as it was given to me from above.
Is Jesus God?
He never dies.
Yes, He is all that the Father is.
No, He has always been the Son.

If God is eternal then His Seed is eternal.

 

[Randy]

If God is eternal then His Seed is eternal.

Jesus never dies as He lives by the living Father in Him. He has no end. He is forever. The Christ is forever.
In regard to the distant future when the City of God comes down to earth from God the Father.
The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him.
Its God from true God as the source Deity is and remains the Deity of the only unbegotten true God the Father.
The Son has the Fathers very nature in Him.
The Son is the image of the invisible God. The Father
The Son is the radiance of the Fathers glory and the imprint of the Fathers very being. (God) in this context.
But He is Gods Son. The only God is His God. The only Heavenly Father is His Heavenly Father.
And by His blood He has made us a Kingdom of Priests to serve His God and Father.

He's not testifying to life in the flesh. As atheists and unbelievers live in the flesh. I have stated to you the eternal life found in the Son is His God and Father. They are ONE.

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ and as shown they will reign forever and ever.

 

[JLB]

Jesus never dies as He lives by the living Father in Him. He has no end. He is forever. The Christ is forever.
In regard to the distant future when the City of God comes down to earth from God the Father.
The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

The fullness was pleased to dwell in Him.
Its God from true God as the source Deity is and remains the Deity of the only unbegotten true God the Father.
The Son has the Fathers very nature in Him.
The Son is the image of the invisible God. The Father
The Son is the radiance of the Fathers glory and the imprint of the Fathers very being. (God) in this context.
But He is Gods Son. The only God is His God. The only Heavenly Father is His Heavenly Father.
And by His blood He has made us a Kingdom of Priests to serve His God and Father.

He's not testifying to life in the flesh. As atheists and unbelievers live in the flesh. I have stated to you the eternal life found in the Son is His God and Father. They are ONE.

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ and as shown they will reign forever and ever.

Jesus is God the Son.


He became flesh.


And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16



The Son created the heavens and the earth.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10

You will never be able to address these scripture or explain them away.

The truth endures forever.



JLB

 

[Randy]

Jesus is God the Son.


He became flesh.


And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16



The Son created the heavens and the earth.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10

You will never be able to address these scripture or explain them away.

The truth endures forever.



JLB

I don't need to explain them away. I stated the Deity in Him created as in God created all things by His Son just as God spoke to us by his Son.
I believe God created by His son.
Same writer.
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophetsat many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him

For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him

The one who sits on the throne in heaven. Though Jesus is left out here Jesus as we call Him now was involved in every aspect of Gods creation.
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”

 

[Corinth77777]

 

[Corinth77777]

The whole thing was really good

 

[Randy]

If you believe in His own testimony and He should know, His God is our God and His Father is our Father. That is truth.
The Deity of the First and Last that lives in the Son with His spirit is the Father. They are ONE.

 

[Corinth77777]

Free said
So far, I have provided many passages from Scripture, which you have not addressed, and you have yet to provide any. This is a serious problem. Our doctrine must be based on Scripture, otherwise its entirely subjective and will likely lead us astray.

You're correct. However it is the Son in him which gives him the ability to hear and obey

I think you would have to prove the holyghost was given before pentecost
 

what the Father says. Jesus was a human of the seed of David according to the flesh. The Son is a divine spirit who lived in his flesh body and was the life that was expressed through Jesus. Just as a demon can possess, speak, and move in a human body. The man who is possessed does not say , "Now the demon is going to talk to you..." God created this ability of habitation for His use and it was hijacked by demons. The Son and Jesus were so intimately combined that they were one. And the main point which I have tried to share is that the same is offered to each of us.

Well you are going with what's being offered a little backward. What is offered to us is being able to be in the presence of God now, and after physical death, if He does not come first.
We have in us the ability to conquer the world, flesh, and Satin in Christ. The reward is His presence.

You said you believed the son was with people during the time of Eden, right after the fall. Well one can take the side that God spoke through His word. Maybe there was good news proclaimed even then. idk

But to say the son was in man, before Jesus actually resurrected...Can't see that.

The Gentiles were not included in the faith until Christ Jesus

He also said that before Abraham was I AM. If Jesus (the human) was of the seed of Abraham, he couls not say that. The Son within could.

This is an assumption that bears looking at. The will is very important. By it we decide who will rule in our life. The spirit that was supplied to humanity in creation died when sin entered, that was the promise. You and I are spiritually dead at birth and will die physically eventually. Yet we read, "He that believes in me shall never die." Why is that? "I am the resurrection and the life." He is our spirit (on loan so to speak ) and will become one with us as we yield up and die to self and the fleshly desires, just as Jesus did. The Son will marry us to Himself and the Father so that we will never die. The only spirit we have is the Spirit of God; ie the Son who is spirit.
The human Jesus could never make that statement of himself. it was God in him doing the speaking.

Jesus is God the Son.


He became flesh.


And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16



The Son created the heavens and the earth.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10

You will never be able to address these scripture or explain them away.

The truth endures forever.



JLB

After watching the Vedeo at least Part 1
I can see what the Captain=C is saying even He comes off Arrogant, which usually I stop listening to people after that.

Answering as maybe Captain would:
God manifested in the flesh would make us all gods. The one whom God speaks through.
My husband as well could be called Lord because I am to serve him.

One Lord for example over the Earth

So now I know why Randy, liken to C in the video didn't believe the terms Holy ghost and Holy Spirit were different.

But they are in context regardless of both thoughts as the writer EJ pointed out in one.

Jesus was given full Authority when?
After His resurrection.
And we receive then the the Holyghost power.
I believe Ej said it something like this: The Spirit translates to Holyghost power when we walk in complete faith with no fear.

Now regardless of the respective veiws this can pertain to both. But I'll try to remember to quote her own words so that maybe it makes better sense. Especially sence it was her revelation. But it's simpler if you just read the article I shared earlier. Not you Jlb.

Now where I stand, I have to see part 2.
I have always learned that there is one God who in the Bible manifested Himself in/as 3 distint persons. The Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit.

But when I say Father I think I'm thinking of The Holy of Hollies as in the video.

And I think Randy is saying that the son came forth from the father. Which beggs the question of- "in the beginning" of what? But in Genesis, if I'm correct, it says the Spirit of God moved over the face of the deep...
Now could that be the Spirit that proceeded from God as breath or wind, which would be the Holy Spirit? HOLY because it came from God
Now if God spoke through His Spirit/word/ breath does that not mean the breath is God?
Sounds like He Spoke through Himself. Maybe the meaning of I am that I am.

Enough 4 my

 

[Corinth77777]

If you believe in His own testimony and He should know, His God is our God and His Father is our Father. That is truth.
The Deity of the First and Last that lives in the Son with His spirit is the Father. They are ONE.

Honestly I never really put much thought into any of this until now. And I'm not even sure of what you are trying to say here. So far over my head.. You would have to break it down as you are speaking to a baby.. If you can do it in of course.

 

[JLB]

I have always learned that there is one God who in the Bible manifested Himself in/as 3 distint persons. The Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit.

That’s Oneness doctrine which is called Modalism.


The scriptures teach us that these three are one.

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7


Your understanding would be this one is three.

 

[leroy]

I think you would have to prove the holyghost was given before pentecost
 


Well you are going with what's being offered a little backward. What is offered to us is being able to be in the presence of God now, and after physical death, if He does not come first.
We have in us the ability to conquer the world, flesh, and Satin in Christ. The reward is His presence.

You said you believed the son was with people during the time of Eden, right after the fall. Well one can take the side that God spoke through His word. Maybe there was good news proclaimed even then. idk

If the good news was proclaimed in Eden how could they receive the power of it if the power of the resurrection was 4000 years down the road. Their situation was hopeless.

Corinth, perhaps if I present point by point what I have come to understand you could either agree or disagree. Perhaps then I will know where you stand. Is that agreeable to you?
What I am saying is, humanity lost their "spirituality", it died in Eden, they were only human, only flesh. Their connection with their Creator was severed. They lost their ability to love God, to hear His voice within. They lost all heart desire to seek after their Creator, and the natural ability to turn from evil and obey Him was gone. In this dead state they were captive to Satan's enmity towards God.
Does this sound like something you can consider or believe?
The question that rose up in me, was how could a loving God leave His children without help? How could humanity survive unless God did something on their behalf?
Scripture records His promise that He would provided an "enmity" toward evil, a hatred that could overcome Satan's hatred towards God, putting His finger on the scale on our behalf.
Does this sound like something you can consider or believe?
When I compare the power of the enmity of Satan with the power of the enmity that Salvation provides, I can come to no other conclusion than the power of God is so much more than the power of Satan. So this Gift of enmity is not something natural but of a divine nature that is supernatural. Therefore I believe that this enmity comes in the person of the Son and not only an enmity towards evil but a divine replacement for all those things that perished at the entrance of sin.
2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Yes, the first promise was given in Eden and by that promise they could become partakers of the divine nature and escape Satan's enmity and their flesh nature.
Does this sound like something you can consider or believe?
The plan to redeem humanity was that the Son would be be given to the world, offered to every son and daughter of Adam. Not just in the person of the son of Mary, Not to those born 2000 years ago, but to be the vivifying Spirit who gives the overcoming power to live a holy life in everyone who would surrender to that Gift?
"... it is Christ in you..." "For it is God in you to both will and do..." "This is the record, God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son. He that has the Son has life..." " I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me..."
Does this sound like something you can consider or believe?

But to say the son was in man, before Jesus actually resurrected...Can't see that.

Is it your understanding that the Holy Ghost is Jesus living in you?

 

[Randy]

Honestly I never really put much thought into any of this until now. And I'm not even sure of what you are trying to say here. So far over my head.. You would have to break it down as you are speaking to a baby.. If you can do it in of course.

You asked if Jesus has a God. He states so. That shouldn't be hard to understand. What the Son states is truth.

 

[Randy]

If the good news was proclaimed in Eden how could they receive the power of it if the power of the resurrection was 4000 years down the road. Their situation was hopeless.

Corinth, perhaps if I present point by point what I have come to understand you could either agree or disagree. Perhaps then I will know where you stand. Is that agreeable to you?
What I am saying is, humanity lost their "spirituality", it died in Eden, they were only human, only flesh. Their connection with their Creator was severed. They lost their ability to love God, to hear His voice within. They lost all heart desire to seek after their Creator, and the natural ability to turn from evil and obey Him was gone. In this dead state they were captive to Satan's enmity towards God.
Does this sound like something you can consider or believe?
The question that rose up in me, was how could a loving God leave His children without help? How could humanity survive unless God did something on their behalf?
Scripture records His promise that He would provided an "enmity" toward evil, a hatred that could overcome Satan's hatred towards God, putting His finger on the scale on our behalf.
Does this sound like something you can consider or believe?
When I compare the power of the enmity of Satan with the power of the enmity that Salvation provides, I can come to no other conclusion than the power of God is so much more than the power of Satan. So this Gift of enmity is not something natural but of a divine nature that is supernatural. Therefore I believe that this enmity comes in the person of the Son and not only an enmity towards evil but a divine replacement for all those things that perished at the entrance of sin.
2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Yes, the first promise was given in Eden and by that promise they could become partakers of the divine nature and escape Satan's enmity and their flesh nature.

The creator is greater than His creation. Satan was created perfect until sin was found in Him and He was cast to the earth. The demons pleaded with Jesus to allow them to enter the pigs. The one in you is greater than the one in the world. Where sin abounds Gods grace abounds more.

Does this sound like something you can consider or believe?
The plan to redeem humanity was that the Son would be be given to the world, offered to every son and daughter of Adam. Not just in the person of the son of Mary, Not to those born 2000 years ago, but to be the vivifying Spirit who gives the overcoming power to live a holy life in everyone who would surrender to that Gift?
"... it is Christ in you..." "For it is God in you to both will and do..." "This is the record, God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son. He that has the Son has life..." " I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me..."

Col 1:20
and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Anyone raised up on the last day will be by the Son according to the will of the First and Last, the Father. Jesus redeems them all. Jesus also went and preached to the imprisoned spirits those who were judged according to the flesh that they may live according to the Spirit. Those who died in ancient times pre law and certainly pre Christ. For God is a just God and only with light comes accountability. Clearly even to this very day the gospel is preached to all nations. As Jesus stated to those in Isreal if He had not come and spoke to them they would not be guilty of sin. But they did hear and rejected Him so their guilt remains.

Does this sound like something you can consider or believe?



Is it your understanding that the Holy Ghost is Jesus living in you?

The Holy Spirit of the First and Last, the Father, He sends in Jesus's name. So for in those who are in the faith the Spirit of God in them would be the persona of the person of the Son. The Spirit in them conveys the will and presence of Christ. So, in that manner both the Father and Son make their home with those in the faith just as Jesus testfied. How do you state that the Ghost of Jesus is the Father living in us?

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

 

[leroy]

The creator is greater than His creation. Satan was created perfect until sin was found in Him and He was cast to the earth. The demons pleaded with Jesus to allow them to enter the pigs. The one in you is greater than the one in the world. Where sin abounds Gods grace abounds more.

Col 1:20
and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Anyone raised up on the last day will be by the Son according to the will of the First and Last, the Father. Jesus redeems them all. Jesus also went and preached to the imprisoned spirits those who were judged according to the flesh that they may live according to the Spirit. Those who died in ancient times pre law and certainly pre Christ. For God is a just God and only with light comes accountability. Clearly even to this very day the gospel is preached to all nations. As Jesus stated to those in Isreal if He had not come and spoke to them they would not be guilty of sin. But they did hear and rejected Him so their guilt remains.

The Holy Spirit of the First and Last, the Father, He sends in Jesus's name. So for in those who are in the faith the Spirit of God in them would be the persona of the person of the Son. The Spirit in them conveys the will and presence of Christ. So, in that manner both the Father and Son make their home with those in the faith just as Jesus testfied. How do you state that the Ghost of Jesus is the Father living in us?

Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

I am sorry Randy but I am having difficulty understanding your post. Although some of what you wrote was agreeable to my understanding.

 

[Corinth77777]

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You asked if Jesus has a God. He states so. That shouldn't be hard to understand. What the Son states is truth.

I did?

 

[Corinth77777]

If the good news was proclaimed in Eden how could they receive the power of it if the power of the resurrection was 4000 years down the road. Their situation was hopeless.

The making of a covering for the naked and the mentioning of bruising the heel might have meant something. The eating off every tree might have been good news too, especially sense the tree of life was in the garden.
Abraham was credited righteousness.

Also because Cane and Able presented offerings to God and Able's was accepted that has to mean something.

God still seem to communicate with His creation but in another way.

It is said obedience is better than sacrifice (dont quote me)
And Able's offering was accepted..If Cane did right( was obedient) His offering would have been accepted too.

Interesting for in their present future, Peter said He can see that anyone who does righteous is accetable unto God.

So then, How did Adam and Eve expeience death?

For one, I can see their quality of life was not the same. Were they cursed or punished for woman would suffer pain and etc, and Adam would teal the ground.

So what Cane and Able's offering meant could have now been part of their system to connecting back with God. What happen when Crain's offering was accepted? What could He do or not do?

If Adam and Eve would not have eaten off the tree I figure they would have still connected body, soul, and Spirit. But something changed
Consciously that they did not know b4. And knowing was part of their death/seperation.

I figure their bodies eventually died.
So do our bodies have to die today? Don't they?






How were the promise land and garden similar?

Corinth, perhaps if I present point by point what I have come to understand you could either agree or disagree. Perhaps then I will know where you stand. Is that agreeable to you?

Do my best

What I am saying is, humanity lost their "spirituality", it died in Eden, they were only human, only flesh.

men did not lose their spirituality, because they still had access to God.. so men had a spirit and God is Spirit. Sounds more like they lost their privileges of living in Harmony with no struggling. But that is up in the air?

Their connection with their Creator was severed. They lost their ability to love God, to hear His voice within.

God dealt with men still, And there still was a way God connected with men

They lost all heart desire to seek after their Creator,

Did they seek Him b4?

and the natural ability to turn from evil and obey Him was gone.

Did they ever have this ability?

In this dead state they were captive to Satan's enmity towards God.

not sure what you mean

Does this sound like something you can consider or believe?

The question that rose up in me, was how could a loving God leave His children without help? How could humanity survive unless God did something on their behalf?

They submitted offerings did they not

Scripture records His promise that He would provided an "enmity" toward evil, a hatred that could overcome Satan's hatred towards God, putting His finger on the scale on our behalf.

never read it like that, but possible

Does this sound like something you can consider or believe?
When I compare the power of the enmity of Satan with the power of the enmity that Salvation provides, I can come to no other conclusion than the power of God is so much more than the power of Satan. So this Gift of enmity is not something natural but of a divine nature that is supernatural.

Well give a passage

Therefore I believe that this enmity comes in the person of the Son

Give a passage, I think its possible as Abraham was credited righteousness, that other through obedience to God could be credited righteousness in the same way.

By credit - through means of faith In God.
God still dealt with men, but not the same way.
Why do men sin? If death spread to all men in Adam. It seems that somehow the order of the components of man changed.

The natural man seeks the fleshly, the Spiritual then seek things of the Spirit. So when Able gave His offering was He Spiritual or natural.
If God dealt with Men from His foreknowledge of sending His Son, then it is by grace we are saved through The Faithfulness of God. The offering of Able must have come from His heart. On the other hand so did Cane's.

It seems possible that God liken to the Law
He gave Moses to give to His chosen, was given to those before hand, but maybe in a simpler form.

It seemed that what is offered to God must come from a willing Spirit. So the question to me is: what were the offering all about? God either Spoke to Adam, Eve, Cane, and able from Angels or of Himself. Later we find God's Spirit would not always strive with men for their hearts were continually evil.

and not only an enmity towards evil but a divine

replacement for all those things that perished at the entrance of sin.

?

2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Yes, the first promise was given in Eden and by that promise they could become partakers of

They did not need to escape what belonged to them already.

the divine nature and escape Satan's enmity and their flesh nature.
Does this sound like something you can consider or believe?
The plan to redeem humanity was that the Son would be be given to the world,

In due season, Jesus the son of God.

offered to every son and daughter of Adam. Not just in the person of the son of Mary, Not to those born 2000 years ago, but to be the vivifying Spirit who gives the overcoming power to live a holy life in everyone who would surrender to that Gift?

I think people were credited Righteousness by what was in God's plan.
How for example did Abraham come to believe God that He was credited righteousness?

I believe God sought Him and made provisions for Him until He came to trust Him. While no one seeks after God that does not mean that God did not seek after our souls.

"... it is Christ in you..." "For it is God in you to both will and do..." "This is the record, God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son.

Yes but this Christ most likely meant the one they were waiting for to come into the world in physical form in resurrected power. For it means annoiting, maybe annoited with power they'd receive from the father.

He that has the Son has life..." " I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me..."
Does this sound like something you can consider or believe?

In context of my discussion that the power of the resurrected body of Christ comes to dwell in men after His resurrection

Is it your understanding that the Holy Ghost is Jesus living in you?

All I said is that there was a difference between the terms Holyghost and HolySpirit.

If The Spirit of God is the HolySpirit
And the Spirit of the resurrected body of Christ is the Holyghost Power. Then the Spirit of the living God lives in me transformatively has I walk in faith.

 

[Randy]

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I did?

In your post #1047 I guess the question was in the Video. That's what I answered.

 

[Randy]

Jesus is God the Son.


He became flesh.


And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16



The Son created the heavens and the earth.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
Hebrews 1:8-10

You will never be able to address these scripture or explain them away.

The truth endures forever.



JLB

If you just read Hebrews 1:8-10 then Jesus created.
If you just read Rev 4:11 then the Father created.

If you read ALL that is written then you should understand that God the Father from whom all things come created In/though/by/for His Son through whom all things come. That is my understanding and stated belief.

And again its the Fathers Deity that was gifted, not formed, by His will to dwell in the Firstborn. Col 1:19. That is a creation of the Father alone. Just as Christ in us is a new "creation". Jesus as we call the Son now Has always been the Fathers Son and the Father has always been Jesus's God and Father. The Kingdoms of the whole world will become the Kingdom of God and HIS Christ. Its the throne of God and of the lamb forever.

One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ. And our Lord Jesus Christ has the Fathers very nature in Him and is all that the Father is but He is Gods Firstborn Son. They are ONE. Jesus, by His blood, has made us a Kingdom of priests to serve His God and Father. Jesus has purchased by His blood for His God.