Jesus is Our only Comforter 1st John 2:1

[SonByAdoption]

Maybe many people are confused about what the Holy Spirit[/size] is because they are confused about what the word spirit means. Bible writers did not believe in ghosts.

Not only are you wrong (as the Apostles thought they were seeing a GHOST when they saw Jesus walking towards them on water, after the crucifixion when witnesses saw ghosts rising from graves in Matthew's gospel AND when the Apostles first saw the Risen Lord), but you are off topic. Yet again...

This discussion is about "another comforter" vs. "one comforter". I have given you clear Scripture to indicate that Jesus Himself said HE would send ANOTHER. Not HImself. Another. Yours is just further smoke screens, and I don't see the point in pursuing this further. Scripture proves your thesis incorrect, plain and simple, and you have had plenty of chances to explain it. Unfortunately, your strategy hinges upon pretending the verse doesn't exist and changing the subject...

Holy Spirit is not a name or a Title of any third being. Holy is an adjective describing the mind of God the Father. Sinners have a sinful spirit or a sinful mind.

Again, Scriptures prove this wrong. I am sorry to have to tell you, but Christ clearly tells us He is sending another Comforter. Not Himself. The Holy Spirit intercedes for us, and this is not another name for Christ. Only persons can intercede, not a "force". In addition, the Bible doesn't make the connection that Jesus and the Spirit are one in the same Person.

Regards

“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever;†“…lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen†John 14:16 Matthew 28:20
Orthodox Trinitarians interpret Christ’s phrase ANOTHER COMFORTER to mean that there are three Supreme persons and Unorthodox Trinitarians three Supreme beings and when the Son of God returns to heaven Christ and the Father tag this 3rd person or being in like a relay race or a wrestling match and this third person or being named The Holy Spirit leaves heaven and comes into the Trinitarian hearts.
And also the Trinitarian teaching is that John 14:16 “Another Comforter†is Christ’s introduction to His Jewish Disciples of this Third/Person Being because this was a foreign concept to the Jews before this time who only worshipped two beings through the whole old Testament and New Testament. So supposedly John 14:16 is the first time that the Holy Spirit is said to be a third person or a being.
Well in the middle of the very next verse totally proves the Trinitarian interpretation of John 14:16 wrong and shows that they totally take this verse out of context with three simple words Jesus talking to the disciples about this Comforter saying. “YOU KNOW HIM†All a sincere truth seeking Trinitarian has to do to disprove the lies they’ve been taught all their lives is to look up all the times there Jesus used the word. “Know†in their concordance because if it’s true that Jesus taught the disciples that they should know a third being than John 14:16 would not be the first time Jesus taught about it because He said “you Know Him†meaning you already know Him. This is not new for you. So when a truth seeking Trinitarian looks up all the times where Jesus used the word know he or she will find that through Jesus whole ministry He taught the disciples to know the Father and know His Son only two beings in Jesus whole ministry even in the whole chapter of John 14. Like Jesus starts out. Believe in God believe also in me. That’s only two beings. Even in John 17:3 Life eternal to know thee the Only True God and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent. That’s only two beings. If Jesus thought it was so important for people to believe in a third person in order to be saved surely these would have been perfect opportunities to mention it. Trinitarians are clearly taking John 14:16 out of context just like J.W.s take Revelation 3 something I forget where it is where Jesus says He’s the beginning of God’s creation and J.W.s are dogmatic and say no don’t show me any more verses. Stick with this one. Don’t contradict Christ He is saying He is created. Trinitarians misinterpret John 14:16 just like J.W.’s minsinterpret Revelation 3:something.

 

[SonByAdoption]

These words from Jesus clearly show ANOTHER Comforter exists.

He doesn't say to the disciples that ANOTHER Comforter exists presently now but that another Comforter will exist.

God the Father did not baptise His Son with a third peson but He baptised His Son with His own Spirit the Spirit of the Father and just because He made His spirit look like a dove doesn't mean that it was a person. If God gave humans the power to be telepathic to send our minds into other people minds and while our mind is traveling to the other persons mind and we could make our mind look like an animal would this make our mind a person?

Two Divine beings are in heaven. God and His Son. God the Father who is telepathic sends His mind to the Son The Spirit of Truth proceeding from the Father goes to the Son and then the Son combines His Father's Spirit with His own Spirit and then Christ telepathically sends His Mind combined with His Father's mind to all of us.

You say because Jesus said ANOTHER COMFORTER that this means that there are presently two Comforters floating around somewhere. But if that's true than where is the first Comforter?

Where is the First Comforter that was physically with the disciples and hugged them the Comforter that let John rest his head on HIs bosom, the Comforter that Mary sat at His feet and washed them with her hair.

Where is the First Comforter that could be tempted? Where is the first Comforter that could learn and grow and be mortal and die? Where is this First Comforter that had to be dependent on His heavenly Father for everything, this Comforter that could only do miracles because of the Father's Spirit/Mind in Him?

Where is this first Comforter that after His resurrection told Mary not to touch Him because He hasn't accended to His Father yet proving that even after His resurrection He still wasn't glorified meaning He still didn't get His Divine powers back yet and He still was limited to that human frame meaning He still could be tempted and He was still mortal but then the angels took Him to heaven and He presented Himself to the Father and His Father told Him that His sacrifice was accepted and the Father gave His Son back His Divine powers one being able to be omnipresent and telepathic so He could send His mind into His Disciples so Christ can not only be the Diciples physical comforter but He can be another comforter as well. The spiritial Comforter sending His own Spirit combined with the Spirit of His Father in their hearts.

And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. John 20:22

 

[francisdesales]

He doesn't say to the disciples that ANOTHER Comforter exists presently now but that another Comforter will exist.

Inconsequential to this discussion. Again, you are trying to change the subject.

Is there another comforter? That is the question.

Not whether this comforter is eternally begotten.
Not whether this comforter already existed or not when he was promised.

We are not speaking about the pecularities of this other comforter, but whether there is another. That is the thread's theme. YOU claim there is only one comforter. Jesus says He will send ANOTHER.

Case closed. There is not just one comforter. The rest is just smoke screens and attempts to redirect the conversation.

Regards

 

[1rivkah]

The Open Bible Edition Containing the Old and New testaments
Authorized King James Version Red Letter Edition
St. John 14
The promise of the Holy Spirit
15 (R) If you love me, keep my commandments. 1 John 5:3
P1) "Me" is Jesus.
P2) Me has commandments.
P3) "Ye" are those who love Me.
C1) Ye can prove your love for Me by keeping Me's commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and (R)he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide* (stay) with you for ever; 15:26
Jesus does not say that he will "pray to the Father." Therefore, the pray Jesus uses is one defined by Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pray) as intransitive verb (intransitive verb is defined by Wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intransitive_verb) as a verb that "does not take and object."1 : to make a request in a humble manner. Jesus says that he will request the Father.
P4) Jesus is is "I."
P5) I will request.
P6) The Father will be requested.
P7) Another Comforter will be requested for.
P8) Another Comforter is "He."
P9) "You" are those who love I and keep his commandments.
C2) Per I's request, He shall be given to You by the Father.
P10) He shall live with You forever.
P11) He is not I.
P12) He is not the Father.
17Even the Spirit of truth; (R)whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth* (appreciates) him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you. (R)and shall be in you. 1 Cor. 2:14 ~ 1 John: 2:27
In this context "Even" is an adjective meaning 3 a: equal, fair <an even exchange>(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/even[2])
P13) Another Comforter (He) is equal to the Spirit of Truth.3
P14) "Him" is the Spirit of truth.
P15) "the world" are those who do not love Jesus.
P16) "the world" are those who do not keep Jesus' commandments.
P17) the world cannot receive Him.
P18) This is so because the World does not see Him.
P19) the world also does not know Him.
P20) "You" are those who love Jesus and who are not keeping his commandments yet.
P21) You know Him. P23
P22) You know Him because you love Jesus.
P23) He lives with you because you love Jesus.
P24) He will be in you when you follow Jesus' commandments.
P25) He is not in you now because He is not yours.
C3) He is not yours until he is given to you by the Father.
18(R) I will not leave you comfortless* (orphans): I will come to you. Mat. 28:20 ~ vv. 3 (And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.) 28 (Ye have heard how I say unto you, I go away, and come again unto you... )
P26) I will not leave You alone.
P27) When the time for judgment comes I will come unto You.
P28) Until then another Comforter will comfort in I's place.
P29) When the time is right I will reclaim I's place.
P30) Then, another Comforter will still comfort, but to a lesser extent.
C4) Another Comforter will be made lesser because another Comforter is Jesus' subordinate.
19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but (R)ye see me: (R)because I live, ye shall live also.16:16 ~ 1 Cor. 15:20
P31) The world does not see Me.
P32) You see Me.
C5) Now, You see Me through another Comforter.
P33) You will live then because I live now.
20At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
P34) Then, You will know that I, my Father, and Ye are all connected.
21(R)He that hath my commandments and keepeth (obeys) them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest* (show) myself to him.
P35) Loving Me, is having and keeping Me's commandments.
P36) Me's Father will love You for loving Me.
P37) Me will love You for loving Me.
P38) Me will show himself to You through love and another Comforter.
C6) Another Comforter is given as a gift of love from the Father at the request of Jesus.

Jesus has commandments. A person who loves Jesus will obey Jesus' commandments. The person who will obey Jesus' commandments will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (a.k.a another Comforter, the Spirit of truth) from the Father at the request of Jesus. This Comforter exists already and known by those who love Jesus. Being given the Holy Spirit as a gift will allow the person who loves Jesus and follows Jesus' commandments to have the Holy Spirit live inside of them. The Holy Spirit will act as the Comforter in Jesus' place as Jesus is busy preparing a place for his true followers. Now, the Holy Spirit helps those who love Jesus see Jesus. When Jesus returns, the Holy Spirit will still live inside those who love Jesus, but will be in a less important position than it has while Jesus is away.

In the case of the 11 (Iscariot was likely not a disciple who could see. He may have not committed the betrayal if he had been.) disciples, they did not receive the gift of the Holy Spirit while Jesus was still with them because Jesus, the man, was with them and could be seen through the disciples own eyes.

St. John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the father will send in my name, (R) he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said onto you. 2:22 (When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciple remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed in his name, and the word which Jesus said.

In John 2:22 it is noted that the Holy Spirit allowed the disciples to remember Jesus' words and to fully believe in them. When Jesus was still living with the disciples, they did not fully believe that he was the true Christ. The Holy Spirit's presence allowed the disciple's eyes and ears to finally be opened.

 

[SonByAdoption]

The Open Bible Edition Containing the Old and New testaments
Authorized King James Version Red Letter Edition
St. John 14
The promise of the Holy Spirit
15 (R) If you love me, keep my commandments. 1 John 5:3
P1) "Me" is Jesus.
P2) Me has commandments.
P3) "Ye" are those who love Me.
C1) Ye can prove your love for Me by keeping Me's commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and (R)he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide* (stay) with you for ever; 15:26
Jesus does not say that he will "pray to the Father." Therefore, the pray Jesus uses is one defined by Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pray) as intransitive verb (intransitive verb is defined by Wikipedia.org (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intransitive_verb) as a verb that "does not take and object."1 : to make a request in a humble manner. Jesus says that he will request the Father.
P4) Jesus is is "I."
P5) I will request.
P6) The Father will be requested.
P7) Another Comforter will be requested for.
P8) Another Comforter is "He."
P9) "You" are those who love I and keep his commandments.
C2) Per I's request, He shall be given to You by the Father.
P10) He shall live with You forever.
P11) He is not I.
P12) He is not the Father.
17Even the Spirit of truth; (R)whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth* (appreciates) him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you. (R)and shall be in you. 1 Cor. 2:14 ~ 1 John: 2:27
In this context "Even" is an adjective meaning 3 a: equal, fair <an even exchange>(http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/even[2])
P13) Another Comforter (He) is equal to the Spirit of Truth.3
P14) "Him" is the Spirit of truth.
P15) "the world" are those who do not love Jesus.
P16) "the world" are those who do not keep Jesus' commandments.
P17) the world cannot receive Him.
P18) This is so because the World does not see Him.
P19) the world also does not know Him.
P20) "You" are those who love Jesus and who are not keeping his commandments yet.
P21) You know Him. P23
P22) You know Him because you love Jesus.
P23) He lives with you because you love Jesus.
P24) He will be in you when you follow Jesus' commandments.
P25) He is not in you now because He is not yours.
C3) He is not yours until he is given to you by the Father.
18(R) I will not leave you comfortless* (orphans): I will come to you. Mat. 28:20 ~ vv. 3 (And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.) 28 (Ye have heard how I say unto you, I go away, and come again unto you... )
P26) I will not leave You alone.
P27) When the time for judgment comes I will come unto You.
P28) Until then another Comforter will comfort in I's place.
P29) When the time is right I will reclaim I's place.
P30) Then, another Comforter will still comfort, but to a lesser extent.
C4) Another Comforter will be made lesser because another Comforter is Jesus' subordinate.
19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but (R)ye see me: (R)because I live, ye shall live also.16:16 ~ 1 Cor. 15:20
P31) The world does not see Me.
P32) You see Me.
C5) Now, You see Me through another Comforter.
P33) You will live then because I live now.
20At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
P34) Then, You will know that I, my Father, and Ye are all connected.
21(R)He that hath my commandments and keepeth (obeys) them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest* (show) myself to him.
P35) Loving Me, is having and keeping Me's commandments.
P36) Me's Father will love You for loving Me.
P37) Me will love You for loving Me.
P38) Me will show himself to You through love and another Comforter.
C6) Another Comforter is given as a gift of love from the Father at the request of Jesus.

Jesus has commandments. A person who loves Jesus will obey Jesus' commandments. The person who will obey Jesus' commandments will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (a.k.a another Comforter, the Spirit of truth) from the Father at the request of Jesus. This Comforter exists already and known by those who love Jesus. Being given the Holy Spirit as a gift will allow the person who loves Jesus and follows Jesus' commandments to have the Holy Spirit live inside of them. The Holy Spirit will act as the Comforter in Jesus' place as Jesus is busy preparing a place for his true followers. Now, the Holy Spirit helps those who love Jesus see Jesus. When Jesus returns, the Holy Spirit will still live inside those who love Jesus, but will be in a less important position than it has while Jesus is away.

In the case of the 11 (Iscariot was likely not a disciple who could see. He may have not committed the betrayal if he had been.) disciples, they did not receive the gift of the Holy Spirit while Jesus was still with them because Jesus, the man, was with them and could be seen through the disciples own eyes.

St. John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the father will send in my name, (R) he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said onto you. 2:22 (When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciple remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed in his name, and the word which Jesus said.

In John 2:22 it is noted that the Holy Spirit allowed the disciples to remember Jesus' words and to fully believe in them. When Jesus was still living with the disciples, they did not fully believe that he was the true Christ. The Holy Spirit's presence allowed the disciple's eyes and ears to finally be opened.

Rebecca, My dear sister you responding to my post is the best birthday surprise! I really could have not asked for anything more. I realized that you spent along time and much effort on trying to show me from the Bible the errors of me believing Antitrinitarianism you finding it to be antiChristian and antiJesus of me not accepting that another Comforter is in fact another person than Christ and not simply the glorified Christ's omnipresent and omniscient mind in our hearts as I have come to believe and I really appreciate what you tried to do for me trying to open my eyes but I'm still blind like you told me on the phone maybe it's not time. You also told me over the phone it's all about Jesus, church history be darned. Well my dear sister Rebecca that's exactly why I can not accept this 3rd person theory because I believe that it is all about Jesus and that the Son of God has the power to physically be in heaven and spiritually be in my heart all at the same time but I don't want to bore you so I would just like to quote some bible verses that reminded me of the ones you quoted.


If ye love me, keep my commandments.

I don't have to tell you that this is not the only time Jesus talked about keeping His commandments in this chapter. Later on in verse 21 Jesus promises that He will PERSONALLY manifest Himself to the disciples that keep His commandments and love Him. That's YOU Rebecca. Jesus promised to PERSONALLY manifest Himself to YOU.

The very next verse Judas not Iscariort needed some further clarification. Maybe he was confused about Jesus use of the term another Comforter. Maybe he thought it meant another person other than Jesus even though Jesus said if we eat His flesh and drink His blood He will PERSONALLY dwell in US John 6:56 and have eternal life 6:54 Jesus makes it clear how He will manifest Himself to us and not the world when He said not only He Himself but His Father also will personally live with us. John 14:23 So when we have both the omnipresent and omniscient spirits/minds of the Father and Son King and Prince of the universe in our hearts what need is there for a third person?
You quoted John 14:16 where Jesus promised that the Comforter would abide with you forever which I believe Jesus was refering to Himself in third person because after His death resurrection and then glorification Jesus says."...I AM WITH YOU alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."Matthew 28:20 Rebecca I know deep in my heart that you are a Christian because one day YOU heard Christ PERSONALLY knocking on your heart."Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door,I WILL COME IN TO HIM and will sup with him, and he with me"Revelation 3:20

I hope that one day you confess with Paul that it is not a 3rd person in you but Christ Himself ""I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but CHRIST LIVES IN ME; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me."Galations 2:20

You quoted the world doesn't see Him or know Him but the disciples know Him because He lived with them. Again Jesus talking about Himself in third person.
Because the world didn't see Jesus for who He was or know Him.
"He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and THE WORLD KNEW HIM NOT."John 1:10
"And the Word became flesh, and DWELT AMONG US, and WE SAW HIS GLORY, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."John 1:14

 

[1rivkah]

Michael,

Firstly, the Bible is not a tool. It's a way. God's word should be taken as a whole and not repeatedly probed at and dissected at your argumentative whim.

Secondly, if you had the Holy Spirit inside of you, you would feel it slowly changing you. If its only Jesus inside of you and he was inside of you since the beginning of you being a Christian, then wouldn't you be perfect now like Jesus? Wouldn't your sins have stopped from that first day, if Jesus had been your internal motivator since? Jesus, the Son of God manifested in man, could not be tempted to sin in any way. Life was not a stumbling block for him unto death.

You claim that Jesus is inside of you now. It is arrogant for you to think that you have earned the right to have Jesus inside of you when you live so vulgarly. I, who am also a sinner in rehab, can not share that claim. Maybe I will earn that right before the day of Judgment. Until then, I am walking by faith doing my best to listen to the voice that is now inside of me. If Jesus was inside of you telling you how to be, would you really be so foolish to repeatedly ignore him? Could He be so easily ignored?

 

[SonByAdoption]

SonByAdoption, where does Jesus say HE is the ONLY Advocate/Paraclete?

Nowhere. He calls Himself an Advocate, but that doesn't mean there is not ANOTHER...

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. John 14:16-18

These words from Jesus clearly show ANOTHER Comforter exists, one who existed FROM THE BEGINNING (as my next citation shows), making your thesis dead on arrival...

Don't be like Jehovah's Witnesses. You know how they get stuck on the phrase FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE and they make up in their minds that Jesus is a created being. If they put out of their minds their churches teaching and prayfully read the rest of the chapter than maybe they would see that the Divine Ofspring of the Eternal Father is not a created being but the Creator Himself.

So I'm going to ask you to do the same thing I would ask a Jehovah's Witness to do. Because they are stuck on the phrase FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE.
But you are stuck on the phrase ANOTHER COMFORTER.

Just like they believe that Jesus is a created being because what their church has told them their whole life.

You believe that ANOTHER COMOFTER is someone other than Jesus because of what your church taught you your whole life.

Well you have been wrong your whole life. Instead of getting hung up on ANOTHER COMFORTER let Jesus explaim HIMSELF by reading the rest of the chapter.

Jesus told His Disciples about the Comforter and said the world"...neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." John 14:17,18

If the Comforter was someone other than Jesus than how could have the disciples known Him? Obviously Jesus was talking about Himself. He's the one who lived with the disciples and He is the one who was going to be in them."On that day you will realize that ...I am in you. John 14:20"

By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified. John 7:39

Jesus couldn't give the diciples His spirit until He was glorified. Because when Jesus was glorified he got all His Divine powers back including omnipresence.

"And the same one who descended is the one who ascended higher than all the heavens, so that he might fill the entire universe with himself." Ephesians 4:10 N.L.T.

And because we are his children, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, prompting us to call out, "Abba, Father." Galations 4:6 N.L.T.

The false comforter that trinitarians believe in can have sympathy but not empathy.

I'm so glad that I have Jesus. That I know that He alone is my Comforter.

He has Empathy because He has been tempted in all points like we were yet with out sin. That's why He is the One Who Can Truly Comfort Us.

Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted. Hebrews 2:18

 

[Free]

But you are stuck on the phrase ANOTHER COMFORTER.

Just like they believe that Jesus is a created being because what their church has told them their whole life.

You believe that ANOTHER COMOFTER is someone other than Jesus because of what your church taught you your whole life.

Well you have been wrong your whole life. Instead of getting hung up on ANOTHER COMFORTER let Jesus explaim HIMSELF by reading the rest of the chapter.

Jesus told His Disciples about the Comforter and said the world"...neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." John 14:17,18

If the Comforter was someone other than Jesus than how could have the disciples known Him? Obviously Jesus was talking about Himself. He's the one who lived with the disciples and He is the one who was going to be in them."On that day you will realize that ...I am in you. John 14:20"

By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified. John 7:39

Jesus couldn't give the diciples His spirit until He was glorified. Because when Jesus was glorified he got all His Divine powers back including omnipresence.

"And the same one who descended is the one who ascended higher than all the heavens, so that he might fill the entire universe with himself." Ephesians 4:10 N.L.T.

And because we are his children, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, prompting us to call out, "Abba, Father." Galations 4:6 N.L.T.

The false comforter that trinitarians believe in can have sympathy but not empathy.

I'm so glad that I have Jesus. That I know that He alone is my Comforter.

He has Empathy because He has been tempted in all points like we were yet with out sin. That's why He is the One Who Can Truly Comfort Us.

Mat 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (ESV)

Mar 1:8 I have baptized you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."
Mar 1:9 In those days Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.
Mar 1:10 And when he came up out of the water, immediately he saw the heavens being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove.
Mar 1:11 And a voice came from heaven, "You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased."
Mar 1:12 The Spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. (ESV)

Mar 3:29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin"-- (ESV)

Luk 3:21 Now when all the people were baptized, and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heavens were opened,
Luk 3:22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form, like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, "You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased."
....
Luk 4:1 And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness (ESV)

Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. (ESV)

Act 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him. (ESV)

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. (ESV)

This is a small sample of passages from the NT which clearly show that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not one and the same. There is no getting around "another Comforter." If someone asks for "another piece of cake," they do not mean the same piece they just had, they mean an additional piece. There is no getting around this.


Was there any reason for bringing up a 3 year-old thread?