Jesus(pbuh) vs St.Paul vs Islam

[Lamech]

Re:

Paul and Jesus' did not disagree on anything' at all.

Very good answer would you like to explan the diffrent .
:yes

 

[Lamech]

solo

I don't believe I was asking Yashu'a any question .I Asking -- What laws did Yashu'a Follow , And what laws did Paul follow , Meaning were they one and the same ? If you have a answer then answer the question if not let not waste each other time playing head games .

 

[Solo]

solo

I don't believe I was asking Yashu'a any question .I Asking -- What laws did Yashu'a Follow , And what laws did Paul follow , Meaning were they one and the same ? If you have a answer then answer the question if not let not waste each other time playing head games .

You, my neighbor, began this head game, by placing your question above the questions that answer your question in a manner of insolence. If you were to answer my questions, you would have answered your own question.

1. Was Jesus, being born a Jew, under the Mosaic Law?
   
   [list:3c80nsff]Yes, Jesus being born of Jewish linage followed the Mosaic Law.

[/*:m:3c80nsff]
[*]Was Saul (Paul) under the Mosaic Law prior to Jesus' crucifixion and the veil in the Temple being torn in half?

• Yes, Saul who persecuted the followers of Jesus Christ, followed the Mosaic Law. He was a Pharisee.

[/*:m:3c80nsff]
[*]Was Paul (Saul) under the Mosaic Law after being born of God on the road to Damascus?

• No. Paul was freed from being under the bondage of the Mosaic Law at the point of his being born of God.

[/*:m:3c80nsff]
[*]Read Acts 15 and let me know whether the Apostles dictated that believers are now under the Mosaic Law.

• The body of Christ is not under the bondage of the Mosaic Law. The Apostles dictated that the believers abstain from meats offered to idols, abstain from meats from strangled animals, abstain from fornication, and abstain from consuming blood. They were not under the Mosaic Law.

[/*:m:3c80nsff][/list:o:3c80nsff]

Point of fact:

Islam teaches bondage to manmade laws and traditions that follow the lies and deceptions of the father of lies. Nowhere in Islam is God Almighty's salvation taught. All who abide in the teachings of Islam will remain in the condition of condemnation as Jesus teaches in John 3.

 

[stovebolts]

Solo,

While I agree in most part with your last part, there is also a deeper conclusion that we can deduce based on the Halakha (“lawâ€Â) which deals with the legal, ritual, and doctrinal parts of Scripture and the Haggada (“narrativeâ€Â) which expounds on the nonlegal parts of Scripture, illustrating biblical narrative, supplementing its stories, and exploring its ideas.

While I'm sure Jesus and Saul would have followed Halakha to the T, Saul viewed Haggada in a totally different lens before Damascus which is why Jesus may have said Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
or even,
Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Take for example John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

The laws given to Moses were to bring life, but sin, affording the opportunity seized the moment and became utterly sinful. Thus, when the commandments were brought to the people the law brought condemnation instead of life as intended, for the people had built a golden calf and as a result, Halakha doctrines after the second temple period influenced the interpretation of haggada adversely, much like Halakha to it's original intent.

See Deut 30:10-15, emphasis on 15 within context.

 

[Lamech]

solo

I don't believe I was asking Yashu'a any question .I Asking -- What laws did Yashu'a Follow , And what laws did Paul follow , Meaning were they one and the same ? If you have a answer then answer the question if not let not waste each other time playing head games .

You, my neighbor, began this head game, by placing your question above the questions that answer your question in a manner of insolence. If you were to answer my questions, you would have answered your own question.

1. Was Jesus, being born a Jew, under the Mosaic Law?
   
   [list:1xfkim0m]Yes, Jesus being born of Jewish linage followed the Mosaic Law.

[/*:m:1xfkim0m]
[*]Was Saul (Paul) under the Mosaic Law prior to Jesus' crucifixion and the veil in the Temple being torn in half?

• Yes, Saul who persecuted the followers of Jesus Christ, followed the Mosaic Law. He was a Pharisee.

[/*:m:1xfkim0m]
[*]Was Paul (Saul) under the Mosaic Law after being born of God on the road to Damascus?

• No. Paul was freed from being under the bondage of the Mosaic Law at the point of his being born of God.

[/*:m:1xfkim0m]
[*]Read Acts 15 and let me know whether the Apostles dictated that believers are now under the Mosaic Law.

• The body of Christ is not under the bondage of the Mosaic Law. The Apostles dictated that the believers abstain from meats offered to idols, abstain from meats from strangled animals, abstain from fornication, and abstain from consuming blood. They were not under the Mosaic Law.

[/*:m:1xfkim0m][/list:o:1xfkim0m]

Point of fact:

Islam teaches bondage to manmade laws and traditions that follow the lies and deceptions of the father of lies. Nowhere in Islam is God Almighty's salvation taught. All who abide in the teachings of Islam will remain in the condition of condemnation as Jesus teaches in John 3.

Paul's Conversion ~ How Could , Paul '' The Self Appointed Apostle ,Turn From A Strong Opposer Od Jesus To One Of His Disciples ? That's A Good Question And The Answer Is Simple ! , Paul '' The Self Appointed Apostle , ( Never ) Was A Disciple Of Jesus ! How Do I Know ? According To Paul , '' The Self Appointed Apostle ,Jesus Chose Him As His Instrument For Carrying His Teachings To The Gentiles Who Were Not Of The House Of Israel . ( Acts 9 ; 15 - 16 ) .

The Deceiver Paul Acclaimed Vision Is The Only Evidence The Deceiver Paul Could Produce For His Bid For The Leadership Of The New Church The Deceiver Would Raise . No Wonder The Jews Were Highly Skeptical About The Whole Claim And Would Not Listen To Him . Let's Take A Look In The Bible Where The Deceiver Paul CONTRADICTS HIMSELF THREE TIMES ,

This Is The Behavior Of A LIAR , A LIAR Has To Repeat His LIE Two Or More Times With Each Verse Differing From The Next Until He Ultimately Prove Himself A LIAR . He Eventually Reveals The Truth He Was Trying To Hide All Along .

Contradiction One ;
Acts 9 ; 4 - 7 , And I Quote ; 4 And he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" 5 And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting; 6 but rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do." 7 The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one.


In The Above Quote The Deceiver Paul , First Says The HE Alone Fell To The Ground ( Earth ) And Then He Proceeds To Say That The Men Who Journeyed With Him Stood Speechless , Hearing A Voice , BUT Seeing No Man , We See In Acts 22 ; 7 - 9 That Paul The Deceiver Was About To Be Killed By The People Of The City Of Caesarea For Preaching To The Jews Amongst The GENTILES That They Should Forsake Moses And Not Circumcise Their Children Or Follow Their Customs .

The Deceiver Paul Was Saved By The Soldiers And Centurions Who Took Him To The Castle Unto The Chief Priest And There The Deceiver Paul Says

Contradiction Two ;
Acts 22; 7 - 9 , And I Quote ; 7 The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one. 8 Saul arose from the ground; and when his eyes were opened, he could see nothing; so they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And for three days he was without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

Now , In This Quote The Deceiver Paul Say HE Alone Fell To The Ground . He Proceeds To Say That The MEN Who Were With Him SAW The Light , But HEARD Not The Voice Of Him Who Spoke . But He Had Just Said In Acts 9 ; 4 - 7 , '' Those Who Journeyed With Him , Heard A Voice , But Saw Not A Man ! ''

We Now Go To Acts 26 ; 13 - 14 To Find The Third Contradiction . At This Point , The Deceiver Paul Is Defending Himself Before King Agrippa ;

Contradiction Three ;
Acts 26 ; 13 - 14 , And I Quote ; 13 At midday, O king, I saw on the way a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining round me and those who journeyed with me. 14 And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language, 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It hurts you to kick against the sticks .

The Deceiver Paul Just Said In Acts 9 ; 4 - 7 , And 22 ; 7 - 9 That ONLY He Fell To The Ground !!!! After We Listen To The Deceiver Paul Contradictions , It Makes It Very Difficult To Believe That The Deceiver Paul Ever Had A Vision . The Deceiver Paul Is A LIAR And His Own Word Confirm It !!!!! Romans 3 ; 7 , And I Quote ; 7 But if through my falsehood God's truthfulness abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?

Having The Behavior Of A Liar , As Usual , Paul '' The Self Appointed Apostle , Continued To Prove Himself A Liarr . In None Of The Other Quotes Had He Said That Jesus Spoke To Him In The Hebrew Tongue ! However , In The Following Quote , ( Acts 26 ; 16 ) , Paul '' The Self Appointed Apostle , Says That Jesus Appeared To Him To Make Him A Minister . Is This Why Paul '' The Self Appointed Apostle , Though He Was Supposed To Be A Disciple ? Acts 26 ; 14 - 16 .

Let's Look At The Word Minister In Aramic ( Hebrew ) , Since Paul '' The Self Appointed Apostle Said
In Greek -- Minister = [ Huperetes ] An under-qarsman , I.E. ( Gen ) subordinate ( Assistant , sexton , constable ); --- Minister , Officer , Servant ; From the prim , Root [ Hupo ] meaning under ( Of place [ Beneath ] . Or with verbs [ The agency or means , through ] ; Of inferior position or condition , And specially covertly or moderately .

In Aramic Hebrew -- Minister = [ Sharath ] A prim , Root , To attend as a menial or worshiper ; Figurative ; To contribute to ; Minister ( Unto ) , ( Do ) serve , Wait on .

In Syretic Arabic --- Minister = [ Khaadim ] Meaning a servant , A waiter Check out Acts 26 ; 16 , For the word , And I Quote ; But rise , and stand upon thy feet ; for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose , to make thee a Minister and a Witness both of these things which thou hast seen , and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee ,

Saul , Shaool , Paul took this word to mean '' Disciple '' . How ? He was fluent in the Aramic / Hebrew Language according to Acts 21 ; 40 , And I Quote ; And when he had given him liense , Paul stood on the stairs , and beckoned with the hand unto the people . And when there was made a great silence , he spake unto them in the Hebrew Tongue saying . Also Read . Acts 22 ; 2 , And I Quote ; And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew Tongue to them they kept the more silence ; and he saith .

So there's no way he could have mistaken the two words . He Did It On Purpose !! The word Minister does not refer to '' Apostle '' or Disciple '' . Saul , Shaool , Paul was not am Apostle or Disciple According To The Definition Of The Words !!

In Syritic Arabic , Aramic Hebrew , Roman , Latin and Ionia Greek all share the same definition for Disciple , as a student ;

In Syretic Arabic ---- Disciple = Tilmeeth - Literally meaning young student ..

In Aramic Hebrew --- Disciple = Limmuwd or Limmud meaning instructed , disciple , learned from the root [ Lamad ] meaning '' to goad , to teach .

In Greek --- Disciple = Mathetes meaning learner ( pupil , disciple ) from Manthano or ( Manuanq ) [ Matheo ] meaning to learn ( in any way ) ..

The same three language also share the same definitions for the word Apostle .

In Syretic Arabic --- Apostle = Rasool meaning '' one sent , messenger , ''

In Aramic Hebrew --- Apostle = Bashar - a prim , root '' to be fesh , announce ( glad news ) ; messenger '' .

As You Can See There Is Definitely A Distinction Between The Two Words In All Three Languages . So We Can Agree That Paul , '' The Self Appointed Apostle Fits [ Neither Definition { In All Three Languages } !!! So We Can Agree That Paul Fits Neither Definition { In All Three Languages } !!! Whether He Claimed The Position Or Not ! He Couldn't Have Been An Apostle Without Being A Disciples First !!! '' And Paul Knew It !!! So , Due To Paul , '' The Self Appointed Apostle Lies , You Now Have Preachers Today Walking Around Calling Themselves '' Christian Ministers '' . They Don't Use The Word '' Rabbi '' As Jesus Was Called In John 1 ; 38 . ( John 1 ; 49 ; 3 ; 2 ) .

Paul , '' The Self Appointed Apostle Was A Liar !!! I've Shown You That ! So Why Are Christian Preachers Using Paul , '' The Self Appointed Apostle Title If They're Supposed To Be Following The Teaching Of Jesus ? I'll Tell You Why ... Because They're Not Following Jesus !! They Just Talk - Or They Would Be Named '' Rabbis '' Or '' Teachers '' Of Jesus And Not '' Ministers '' After Paul , Ministry !!! They Are Not Coming To You In The Name Of The Messiah Jesus . They Just Lie And Say They Do . They Are The Anti -Christs ( Matthew 24 ; 5 , 24 ) !!!!

This Quote Is Talking About Those Lying So - Called Heads Of Your Churches And Denominations . The Head Or Leader Of Your Religious Congregations Should Be Called Rabbis After Jesus If That's What He Used .

So Now , What Is The The Difference Between The Word '' Minister '' And '' Rabbi ? The Word Minister , As You Now Know , Means Servant . Now Let's Look At The Word '' Rabbi '' .

In Arabic '' Rabbi '' Come From The Root Word - Rabba , Which Mean ;
Rabba ; To Be Master , Be Lord ... Have Command Or Authority ( Over ) ; To Raise , Bring Up .

Rabb ; Lord ; Master ; Owner , Proprietor ...

Rabba ~ '' Mistress ; Lady - Rabba Al Menzil , The Lady Of The House .

( Hans Wehr Arabic - English Dictionary )


In The Hebrew Language Rabah Comes From The Root Word Rab Meaning ;
Rab ; Captian , Chief , Great , Lord , Master , Stout .

In Greek Language The Word Rabbi Is ;
Rhabbi ; ( Of Hebrew ) My Master ; As An Official Title Of Honor ; - Master , Rabbi
( Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Of The Bible )

As You Can See Each Of These Languages Agree - The Greek , The Aramic ( Hebrew ) And The Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) . However , If You Notice With The Greek Definition Of The Word '' Rabbi ' It Tells You That The Word Came From The Hebrew Language . So This Means That The Teachings Of The Real Messiah Jesus Went From The Original Language Of Galilaen Arabic To Hebrew , Then Greek . Which Resulted In A Change In The Original Teachings . The Language Of New Testament Should Not Have Been Greek , Because The Language Of Jesus Was Not Greek . Yet , The Christian Influence Was Greek . Then When These English Scholars Translated The New Testament To The English Language More Altered Words Were Evident . They Added And As They Pleased !! In The Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary The Word Rabbi Means ; Rabbi ; ( Fr . Hebrew ) 1 . Master , Teacher - Used By (Jews As A Term Of Address )
. ** Note ; The Underline Portion Of The English Translation Of The Word Rabbi Is Added Information !!



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[Solo]

Solo,

While I agree in most part with your last part, there is also a deeper conclusion that we can deduce based on the Halakha (“lawâ€Â) which deals with the legal, ritual, and doctrinal parts of Scripture and the Haggada (“narrativeâ€Â) which expounds on the nonlegal parts of Scripture, illustrating biblical narrative, supplementing its stories, and exploring its ideas.

While I'm sure Jesus and Saul would have followed Halakha to the T, Saul viewed Haggada in a totally different lens before Damascus.

Take for example John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

The laws given to Moses were to bring life, but sin, affording the opportunity seized the moment and became utterly sinful. Thus, when the commandments were brought to the people the law brought condemnation instead of life as intended, for the people had built a golden calf and as a result, Halakha doctrines after the second temple period influenced the interpretation of haggada adversely to it's original intent.

I am curious as to what part of my last post you were in disagreement with??

The Law did not bring condemnation. The Law revealed the condemnation that people were already in. The Law revealed the righteousness of God, and the unrighteousness of mankind; thus being the schoolmaster which brings people to Jesus Christ.

• 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. Galatians 3:24-25

Continuing on in John 3, we find that those who do not believe are condemned already, whether under the law or not.

• 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
  John 3:18

Note that the Law is spiritual, and condemned man is of the flesh. No part of man in the flesh can keep the spiritual law of God. Only those who are born of God can keep the law of God, for those that are born of God cannot sin.

• 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. Romans 7:7

 

[Solo]

solo

I don't believe I was asking Yashu'a any question .I Asking -- What laws did Yashu'a Follow , And what laws did Paul follow , Meaning were they one and the same ? If you have a answer then answer the question if not let not waste each other time playing head games .

You, my neighbor, began this head game, by placing your question above the questions that answer your question in a manner of insolence. If you were to answer my questions, you would have answered your own question.

1. Was Jesus, being born a Jew, under the Mosaic Law?
   
   [list:uog5e994]Yes, Jesus being born of Jewish linage followed the Mosaic Law.

[/*:m:uog5e994]
[*]Was Saul (Paul) under the Mosaic Law prior to Jesus' crucifixion and the veil in the Temple being torn in half?

• Yes, Saul who persecuted the followers of Jesus Christ, followed the Mosaic Law. He was a Pharisee.

[/*:m:uog5e994]
[*]Was Paul (Saul) under the Mosaic Law after being born of God on the road to Damascus?

• No. Paul was freed from being under the bondage of the Mosaic Law at the point of his being born of God.

[/*:m:uog5e994]
[*]Read Acts 15 and let me know whether the Apostles dictated that believers are now under the Mosaic Law.

• The body of Christ is not under the bondage of the Mosaic Law. The Apostles dictated that the believers abstain from meats offered to idols, abstain from meats from strangled animals, abstain from fornication, and abstain from consuming blood. They were not under the Mosaic Law.

[/*:m:uog5e994][/list:o:uog5e994]

Point of fact:

Islam teaches bondage to manmade laws and traditions that follow the lies and deceptions of the father of lies. Nowhere in Islam is God Almighty's salvation taught. All who abide in the teachings of Islam will remain in the condition of condemnation as Jesus teaches in John 3.

Paul's Conversion ~ How Could , Paul '' The Self Appointed Apostle ,Turn From A Strong Opposer Od Jesus To One Of His Disciples ? That's A Good Question And The Answer Is Simple ! , Paul '' The Self Appointed Apostle , ( Never ) Was A Disciple Of Jesus ! How Do I Know ? According To Paul , '' The Self Appointed Apostle ,Jesus Chose Him As His Instrument For Carrying His Teachings To The Gentiles Who Were Not Of The House Of Israel . ( Acts 9 ; 15 - 16 ) .

The Deceiver Paul Acclaimed Vision Is The Only Evidence The Deceiver Paul Could Produce For His Bid For The Leadership Of The New Church The Deceiver Would Raise . No Wonder The Jews Were Highly Skeptical About The Whole Claim And Would Not Listen To Him . Let's Take A Look In The Bible Where The Deceiver Paul CONTRADICTS HIMSELF THREE TIMES ,

This Is The Behavior Of A LIAR , A LIAR Has To Repeat His LIE Two Or More Times With Each Verse Differing From The Next Until He Ultimately Prove Himself A LIAR . He Eventually Reveals The Truth He Was Trying To Hide All Along .

Contradiction One ;
Acts 9 ; 4 - 7 , And I Quote ; 4 And he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" 5 And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting; 6 but rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do." 7 The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one.


In The Above Quote The Deceiver Paul , First Says The HE Alone Fell To The Ground ( Earth ) And Then He Proceeds To Say That The Men Who Journeyed With Him Stood Speechless , Hearing A Voice , BUT Seeing No Man , We See In Acts 22 ; 7 - 9 That Paul The Deceiver Was About To Be Killed By The People Of The City Of Caesarea For Preaching To The Jews Amongst The GENTILES That They Should Forsake Moses And Not Circumcise Their Children Or Follow Their Customs .

The Deceiver Paul Was Saved By The Soldiers And Centurions Who Took Him To The Castle Unto The Chief Priest And There The Deceiver Paul Says

Contradiction Two ;
Acts 22; 7 - 9 , And I Quote ; 7 The men who were traveling with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one. 8 Saul arose from the ground; and when his eyes were opened, he could see nothing; so they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. 9 And for three days he was without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

Now , In This Quote The Deceiver Paul Say HE Alone Fell To The Ground . He Proceeds To Say That The MEN Who Were With Him SAW The Light , But HEARD Not The Voice Of Him Who Spoke . But He Had Just Said In Acts 9 ; 4 - 7 , '' Those Who Journeyed With Him , Heard A Voice , But Saw Not A Man ! ''

We Now Go To Acts 26 ; 13 - 14 To Find The Third Contradiction . At This Point , The Deceiver Paul Is Defending Himself Before King Agrippa ;

Contradiction Three ;
Acts 26 ; 13 - 14 , And I Quote ; 13 At midday, O king, I saw on the way a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, shining round me and those who journeyed with me. 14 And when we had all fallen to the ground, I heard a voice saying to me in the Hebrew language, 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It hurts you to kick against the sticks .

The Deceiver Paul Just Said In Acts 9 ; 4 - 7 , And 22 ; 7 - 9 That ONLY He Fell To The Ground !!!! After We Listen To The Deceiver Paul Contradictions , It Makes It Very Difficult To Believe That The Deceiver Paul Ever Had A Vision . The Deceiver Paul Is A LIAR And His Own Word Confirm It !!!!! Romans 3 ; 7 , And I Quote ; 7 But if through my falsehood God's truthfulness abounds to his glory, why am I still being condemned as a sinner?

Having The Behavior Of A Liar , As Usual , Paul '' The Self Appointed Apostle , Continued To Prove Himself A Liarr . In None Of The Other Quotes Had He Said That Jesus Spoke To Him In The Hebrew Tongue ! However , In The Following Quote , ( Acts 26 ; 16 ) , Paul '' The Self Appointed Apostle , Says That Jesus Appeared To Him To Make Him A Minister . Is This Why Paul '' The Self Appointed Apostle , Though He Was Supposed To Be A Disciple ? Acts 26 ; 14 - 16 .

Let's Look At The Word Minister In Aramic ( Hebrew ) , Since Paul '' The Self Appointed Apostle Said
In Greek -- Minister = [ Huperetes ] An under-qarsman , I.E. ( Gen ) subordinate ( Assistant , sexton , constable ); --- Minister , Officer , Servant ; From the prim , Root [ Hupo ] meaning under ( Of place [ Beneath ] . Or with verbs [ The agency or means , through ] ; Of inferior position or condition , And specially covertly or moderately .

In Aramic Hebrew -- Minister = [ Sharath ] A prim , Root , To attend as a menial or worshiper ; Figurative ; To contribute to ; Minister ( Unto ) , ( Do ) serve , Wait on .

In Syretic Arabic --- Minister = [ Khaadim ] Meaning a servant , A waiter Check out Acts 26 ; 16 , For the word , And I Quote ; But rise , and stand upon thy feet ; for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose , to make thee a Minister and a Witness both of these things which thou hast seen , and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee ,

Saul , Shaool , Paul took this word to mean '' Disciple '' . How ? He was fluent in the Aramic / Hebrew Language according to Acts 21 ; 40 , And I Quote ; And when he had given him liense , Paul stood on the stairs , and beckoned with the hand unto the people . And when there was made a great silence , he spake unto them in the Hebrew Tongue saying . Also Read . Acts 22 ; 2 , And I Quote ; And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew Tongue to them they kept the more silence ; and he saith .

So there's no way he could have mistaken the two words . He Did It On Purpose !! The word Minister does not refer to '' Apostle '' or Disciple '' . Saul , Shaool , Paul was not am Apostle or Disciple According To The Definition Of The Words !!

In Syritic Arabic , Aramic Hebrew , Roman , Latin and Ionia Greek all share the same definition for Disciple , as a student ;

In Syretic Arabic ---- Disciple = Tilmeeth - Literally meaning young student ..

In Aramic Hebrew --- Disciple = Limmuwd or Limmud meaning instructed , disciple , learned from the root [ Lamad ] meaning '' to goad , to teach .

In Greek --- Disciple = Mathetes meaning learner ( pupil , disciple ) from Manthano or ( Manuanq ) [ Matheo ] meaning to learn ( in any way ) ..

The same three language also share the same definitions for the word Apostle .

In Syretic Arabic --- Apostle = Rasool meaning '' one sent , messenger , ''

In Aramic Hebrew --- Apostle = Bashar - a prim , root '' to be fesh , announce ( glad news ) ; messenger '' .

As You Can See There Is Definitely A Distinction Between The Two Words In All Three Languages . So We Can Agree That Paul , '' The Self Appointed Apostle Fits [ Neither Definition { In All Three Languages } !!! So We Can Agree That Paul Fits Neither Definition { In All Three Languages } !!! Whether He Claimed The Position Or Not ! He Couldn't Have Been An Apostle Without Being A Disciples First !!! '' And Paul Knew It !!! So , Due To Paul , '' The Self Appointed Apostle Lies , You Now Have Preachers Today Walking Around Calling Themselves '' Christian Ministers '' . They Don't Use The Word '' Rabbi '' As Jesus Was Called In John 1 ; 38 . ( John 1 ; 49 ; 3 ; 2 ) .

Paul , '' The Self Appointed Apostle Was A Liar !!! I've Shown You That ! So Why Are Christian Preachers Using Paul , '' The Self Appointed Apostle Title If They're Supposed To Be Following The Teaching Of Jesus ? I'll Tell You Why ... Because They're Not Following Jesus !! They Just Talk - Or They Would Be Named '' Rabbis '' Or '' Teachers '' Of Jesus And Not '' Ministers '' After Paul , Ministry !!! They Are Not Coming To You In The Name Of The Messiah Jesus . They Just Lie And Say They Do . They Are The Anti -Christs ( Matthew 24 ; 5 , 24 ) !!!!

This Quote Is Talking About Those Lying So - Called Heads Of Your Churches And Denominations . The Head Or Leader Of Your Religious Congregations Should Be Called Rabbis After Jesus If That's What He Used .

So Now , What Is The The Difference Between The Word '' Minister '' And '' Rabbi ? The Word Minister , As You Now Know , Means Servant . Now Let's Look At The Word '' Rabbi '' .

In Arabic '' Rabbi '' Come From The Root Word - Rabba , Which Mean ;
Rabba ; To Be Master , Be Lord ... Have Command Or Authority ( Over ) ; To Raise , Bring Up .

Rabb ; Lord ; Master ; Owner , Proprietor ...

Rabba ~ '' Mistress ; Lady - Rabba Al Menzil , The Lady Of The House .

( Hans Wehr Arabic - English Dictionary )


In The Hebrew Language Rabah Comes From The Root Word Rab Meaning ;
Rab ; Captian , Chief , Great , Lord , Master , Stout .

In Greek Language The Word Rabbi Is ;
Rhabbi ; ( Of Hebrew ) My Master ; As An Official Title Of Honor ; - Master , Rabbi
( Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Of The Bible )

As You Can See Each Of These Languages Agree - The Greek , The Aramic ( Hebrew ) And The Ashuric / Syriac ( Arabic ) . However , If You Notice With The Greek Definition Of The Word '' Rabbi ' It Tells You That The Word Came From The Hebrew Language . So This Means That The Teachings Of The Real Messiah Jesus Went From The Original Language Of Galilaen Arabic To Hebrew , Then Greek . Which Resulted In A Change In The Original Teachings . The Language Of New Testament Should Not Have Been Greek , Because The Language Of Jesus Was Not Greek . Yet , The Christian Influence Was Greek . Then When These English Scholars Translated The New Testament To The English Language More Altered Words Were Evident . They Added And As They Pleased !! In The Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary The Word Rabbi Means ; Rabbi ; ( Fr . Hebrew ) 1 . Master , Teacher - Used By (Jews As A Term Of Address )
. ** Note ; The Underline Portion Of The English Translation Of The Word Rabbi Is Added Information !!



More In Next Post Have Get Back To Work

Just as I said initially. You posted a spurious question just as the unbelieving hypocrites that Jesus answered with questions that they could not answer.

You also post against the Terms of Service of this Forum:

• 1 - This is a Christian site, therefore, any attempt to put down Christianity and the basic tenets of our Faith will be considered a hostile act. Statement of Faith
  
  We consider Paul's writings to be part of the inspired Word of God. This is a Christian forum and any posting(s) that is intended to purpously distort Paul's writings will not be tolerated.

Peter recognizes the writings of Paul as being Scripture:

• 14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. 15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; 16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:14-16

 

[stovebolts]

I am curious as to what part of my last post you were in disagreement with??

The Law did not bring condemnation.

Solo,
Our differences are theological and not worth debating, but I'm open for discussion today, for tomorrow I may not have the time.

What is the first commandment?

When the law was given to the Israelites, what were they doing?

As far as the law, the first thing it did when it was introduced, was to condemn. Obeying the law was to bring life, but instead it brought condemnation thus showing that Israel was still in Adam, even though Israel was God's Elect chosen vessel to carry his name among the nations.

 

[Lamech]

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First let me say this I'm not puting down anyone / belief's here Just because I disagree does not means I'm against / hate one religion / belief's . To hate one belief's / religion is a sign of ( Ignorance ) . So don't try to label me something I'm not Ok . Hopeful we can agree to disagree here and act like adult's and not like small children . I not here to convert / force my views on anyone here have a bless day .[ Food For Though It Nothing Wrong With Knowing About Salvation But Studying / Researching Scriptures Would Be A Great Help ] You know .

 

[Lamech]

According to '' The American Heritage Dictionary '' The word '' Law '' Is defined as ..
1 . A rule of conduct or procedute established by custom , Agreement , or Authority . 2 . A . The body of rules and principle governing the affairs of A community and enforced by A political Authority ;

The Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) word for Law is Shari'ah which means ; '' A Rule Established By Authority ; Society Or Custom 2 . A Code Of Ethics Or Behavior , '' This word takes it's root from ; Shara'a meaning to introduce , Enact , Prescribe , Give , Make Laws .

The Aramic / Hebrew word for Law is ; '' Towrah '' or '' Torah '' These letters are equivalent to The Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) word wariyya Which means '' A View '' . In Greek , The Word For Law Is ; Nomos '' .

What Is The Difference Between Laws And Commandments ?
Ans ; As mentioned previously the word for Laws in Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) Is '' Shari'ah '' .
The word for commandment is '' Wasiah '' And means direction , instruction , Injuction , Order '' . Many times throughout The Scriptures you will see A Distinction Being Made Between A '' Law '' And A '' Commandment '' . Take A LQQk At ( Exodus 24 ; 12 ) ;

Exodus 24 ; 12 ( Revealed In The Year 1512 B.C.E. And I Quote ; And the Lord said unto Moses Come up to me into the mount , and be there ; and I will give thee tables of stone , and a Law and Commandments which I have written ; that thou Mayest Teach them .

As ypu can see The Most High made A Disinction Between Law , Commandment And Stone Tablet . The Commandment Is What Is Asked Of You , For Instance The First Commandment That Was Given To Man , Kadmon ( Adam ) , Was Not To Partake Of The Tree Of Knowldge Of Good And Evil ;

Genesis 2 ; 16 -17 ( Revealed InThe Year 1512 B.C.E. ) And I Quote ; And the Lord God Commanded the man , saying , of every tree of the garden 'thou mayest freely eat ; Verse 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil , Thou shalt not eat of it ; for in the Day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely Die ....

Genesis 6 ; 22 ( Revealed InThe Year 1512 B.C.E. ) And I Quote ; Thus dis Noah according to all that Commanded him , so did he .

Genesis 17 ; 10 - 12 ( Revealed InThe Year 1512 B.C.E. ) And I Quote ; The is my covenant , which ye shall keep , between me and you and thy seed after thee ; Every Man Child among you Shall Be Circumcised . Verse 11 . And ye Shall Be Circumcised . the Flesh of your Foreskin and it shall be a Token of the covenant between me and you . Verse 12 , And he that is eight Days old Shall Be Circumcised among you , every man child in your generation , he that is born in the House , or bought with money of any Stranger which is not of thy seed .

Genesis 26 ; 5 ( Revealed InThe Year 1512 B.C.E. ) And I Quote ; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice , and Kept my Charge , my Commandments my Statutes , and my Laws .

( Genesis 2 ; 17 ) The was the first commandment given to man . This was Asked of him because man violated This Commandment , He was Punished for this Action , And was Expelled From The Garden Of Delight And His Gift Of Everlasting Life Was Revoked , As time went on , Man was given A Second Chance By The Most High To Amend For His / Hers Sins And If He Obeyed , Then He Would Inherit His Right Back To The Enclosed Gaeden Of Delight ( Commonly Know Today As '' Heaven '' Or '' Paradise '' ) .

However , Man Continued Disobeying His Commandments Until Man Became So Displeasing In The Eyes Of The Most High , That He Destroyed The Entire Population By Water ( Known To Many As The Great Flood Or Deluge ) During The Time Of Utnafishtim ( Noah ) Son Of Lamech And Kamiylah . ...

What's The Difference Between A Disciple And An Apostle ?
Ans ; Firstly , Let's Define The Two Words '' Disciple '' And '' Apostle '' . According To '' The American Heritage Dictionary '' The Word Disciple Is Defined As ;

dis - ci - ple , N . 3.A.A Person Who Is Being Educated ; Student .
In Arabic , Hebrew , And Greek , They All Share The Same Definition For , Disciple . As A Student ;
Arabic --- { Tilmeeth } - Literally Meaning Young Student
Hebrew ---{ Limmuwud Or Limmud } Meaning Instructed , Disciple , Learned From The Root Word
[ Lamad ] Meaning '' To Goad , To Teach ''
Greek --- { Manthetes } Meaning , Learner ( Pulpil , Disciple ) From { Manthano } Or [ Matheo ] Meaning To Learn ( In Anyway )

Now Apostle Is Defined As ;
A -pos -tle --- N , 1 .A. One Who Pioneets An Important Reform Movement , Cause , Or Belief .
Arabic ---- { Rasool } Meaning '' One Sent , Messenger ''
Hebrew --- { Basar } A Prim . Root ; '' To Be Fresh , Announce ( Glad News ) ; Messengers ''
Greek --- { Apostolos } '' Ambassador Messenger , Envoy , One Who Represents The Sender ''

As You Can See There Is Definatly A Distinction Between The Two Words In All Three Languages . Basically A Disciple Is A Student And An Apostle Is A Messenger

How Did Yashu'a ( Isa , Jesus , Christ The Son Of Maryam Meet His Disciple And Who Were They ?
Ans ; Well , It all started when Andrew , Simon Perter's brother found his brother Simon and told him , We have found A Messisah which is being interpreted as Christ . Then he took Simon to Tashu'a . Yashu'a looked at him and said said ; Your name is Simon , Son of John , But You Will Be Called , '' The next day Yashu'a decided to go to Galilee . He found Philip and said to him '' Come With Me , '' For this Philip was from Bethsaida , The town where Andrew and Peter lived .

Philip found Nathaniel And told him we have found the one Who Thutmose ( Moses ) Wrote about in the scripture of the law and whom The Prophets also wrote about . He Yashu'a , The adopted Son of Joseph of Nazareth . '' Can Anything From Nazareth ? Nathaniel asked , '' Come And See , '' Answered Philip . When Yashu'a ( Jesus ) saw Nathaniel coming up to him he said about him ; Here is A real Israelite , There Is Nothing false in him .

Nathanie asked him , '' How do you you know me ? Yashu'a answered '' I Saw You When You Were Under The Fig Tree Before Philip Called You . '' Rabboni answeered Nathaniel , '' You Are The Ibn , A Neteru = The Son Of God . You are the ruler of all Israel . '' Yashu'a Said , '' Do You Have Faith Just Because I Told You I Saw You When You Were Under The Fig Tree ?

You will see much greater things than this . '' And he said to them , '' I Am Telling You The Truth , '' You Will See Heaven Open And The Neteru = God Going Up And Coming Down , On The Walad , Son Of A Human Being . That Human Being Mary , Thus He Was Called '' The Ibn . Son Of El Eluh = God The Walad , Son Of A Human Being '' Yashu'a Had Twelve Disciple In All . The Following List Below Shows You The Name Of Yashu'a Disciples And Who They Were ;

Matthew 10 ; 2- 4 , And I Quote ; Now the names of the twelve apostles are these ; The first Simon who is called Peter , and Andrew his brother ; James the son of Zebedee , and John his brother . Verse 3 . Philip , and Bartholomew , Thomas , and Matthew the publican James the son of Alphaeus , and Lebbaeus whose surname was Thaddaeus ; Verse 4 . Simon the Canaanite , and Judas Iscariot , who also betrayed him .

( 1 ) . Cephas -- Which is another name for Simon Peter , Who was one of The 12 Disciple Of Yashu'a ( John 1 ; 42 ) .
( 2 ) . Andrew -- A follower of John The Baptist ( John 1 ; 35 - 40 ) who was one of The Twelve Disciples Of Yashu'a .
( 3 ) . James -- .Who was one of The 12 Disciple Of Yashu'a
( 4 ) . John --- . Who was one of The 12 Disciple Of Yashu'a
( 5 ) . James --- . Who was one of The 12 Disciple Of Yashu'a
( 6 ) . Jude -- . Who was one of The 12 Disciple Of Yashu'a. He was also A secret disciple ,
( 7 ) . Philip -- . A native of Bethsaida , The city of Andrew and Peter . He was among The Galilean peasants who flocked to hear the preaching of John The Baptist .
( 8 ) .Bartholomew -- Who is commonly known as Nathanael was an Israelite who A disciple of The Messiah Yashu'a and the brother of Philip . He was also one of The 12 Disciple Of The Messiah Yashu'a . His real name was Amos And as for Bartholomew , Son Oh Hai's , His home was in Cana Galilee . He too died of A horrible death . He was flogged to death .
( 9 ) . Matthew -- Was also one of The 12 Disciple Of The Messiah Yashu'a , Matthew whose name was Levi , was A Tax Collector Publican from Capernaum . He was the offspring of Alaphaeus . Matthew displayed courage and loyality when Yashu'a proposed to return to Judea in spite of Judahite Hostility . He was Martyred by A Lance a long shaft with A sharp pointed or steel head in Ethiopia .
( 10 ) . Thomas -- Who Was also one of The 12 Disciple Of The Messiah Yashu'a ( Jesus ) was also known as Didymus meaning ' Twin '' In Greek and Judas . It is believed that his twin was Lydia . Some Theologians Falsely Say He Was The Twin Brother Of The Yashu'a ( Jesus ) . Thomas Who Was Popularly Known As Didymus Was The Son Of Simon . Thomas Was Claimed By Syrian Christian As The Founder Of Their Church , While Thomas Was In Prayer He Was Martyred Shot By A Shower Of Arrows .
( 11 ) . Simon -- Was The Twin Brother Of The Yashu'a He was also A Tamahu From Cannan Or Zealote And Was The Son Of Dani'el . Simon Was From Galilee . He Was An Isrealite Who Resided In The Land Of Canaan , He Died A Horrible Death By Way Of Crucifixtion .
( 12 ) . Judas --- Who Was also one of The 12 Disciple Of The Messiah Yashu'a ( Jesus ) Was Said To Be A Mercenary . He Was Also The One Who Betrayed Yashu'a ( Jesus ) . Judas The Son Of Simon Iscariot Was Best Known As The Betrayer . His Real Name Was Yahuda Iscariot From Kerioth Of Judea . Judas ' Life Came To An Ultimate End When He Was Beat Beyond Recognition Crucified And Thrown Off Of A Cliff At Calvary In Jerusalem . The Whole Point Was To Destroy All Those Who Knew About The Real Jesus . Rabbi Yashu'a And Bring A New Jesus . Who Was Simon Bar Jesus , The One That Paul Followed .

Did Yashu'a ( Jesus ) Have Anymore Disciple ?
Yes . Yashu'a Had What You Would Call Secret Disciple Who Were Known As Nicodemus , Who Was A Member Of The Sanhedrin . He Not Only Sought Out Yashu'a To Inquire About The Kingdom , But He Pleaded With The Sandredrin For Greater Fairness In Their Treatment Of The Messiah , Joseph Of Arimathaea Who Was An Israelite By Birth , A Wealthy Man And Was A Member Of The Sanhedrin Was Also Another One Of Yashu'a Secret Disciple , Nicodemus And Joseph Of Arimathea Were The Ones Who Requested For The Body Of Judas

 

[stovebolts]

As You Can See There Is Definitely A Distinction Between The Two Words In All Three Languages . So We Can Agree That Paul , '' The Self Appointed Apostle Fits [ Neither Definition { In All Three Languages } !!! So We Can Agree That Paul Fits Neither Definition { In All Three Languages } !!! Whether He Claimed The Position Or Not ! He Couldn't Have Been An Apostle Without Being A Disciples First !!! '' And Paul Knew It !!! So , Due To Paul , '' The Self Appointed Apostle Lies , You Now Have Preachers Today Walking Around Calling Themselves '' Christian Ministers '' . They Don't Use The Word '' Rabbi '' As Jesus Was Called In John 1 ; 38 . ( John 1 ; 49 ; 3 ; 2 ) .

I think your looking too closely at the text as sub-narrative in disregard for story as a whole.

Paul address himself many times as an Apostle. Actually, in his variety of letters and expositions and epistles he identifies himself directly as an Apostle yet Peter doesn't' seem to mind.

2 Peter 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[stovebolts]

Lemech,
Most of your last post could be accounted for in Jewish thought known as Halakha (“lawâ€Â) which deals with the legal, ritual, and doctrinal parts of Scripture and the Haggada (“narrativeâ€Â) which expounds on the nonlegal parts of Scripture, illustrating biblical narrative, supplementing its stories, and exploring its ideas.

What you have done is redacted the Haggada around the Halakha. This is precisely what Jesus warned against. :naughty

 

[Lamech]

Lemech,
Most of your last post could be accounted for in Jewish thought known as Halakha (“lawâ€Â) which deals with the legal, ritual, and doctrinal parts of Scripture and the Haggada (“narrativeâ€Â) which expounds on the nonlegal parts of Scripture, illustrating biblical narrative, supplementing its stories, and exploring its ideas.

What you have done is redacted the Haggada around the Halakha. This is precisely what Jesus warned against. :naughty

Question If I May
With All Do Respect Didn't Yashu'a Follow The Laws Of Moses Yes ? If Not Where In The Scriptures Did Yashu'a Say The Laws Ended With Him And We Should Follow New Laws ?
Not To Change The Subject Just Wondering .

 

[stovebolts]

Here's the quick answer since I've got to run.

Jesus did much more than follow the law, he fulfilled it by doing what the law was unable to do. Simply put, life comes through Jesus which the Law just happened to point toward ;)

As far as following laws, it's more about YHVH's covenant justice in redemptive history as God's grace is shown all of humanity which just happen to be created in His image. Simply put, this is why we follow Jesus.

If you look at the biblical narrative from a theological perspective, it's about creation, sin, bondage, redemption and reconciliation. In that manner, this themed story is retold and retold again within sub-narritives of the grand narrative.

By fulfilling the law, a new covenant superceeds the old.

Grace and Peace.

 

[Lamech]

Here's the quick answer since I've got to run.

Jesus did much more than follow the law, he fulfilled it by doing what the law was unable to do. Simply put, life comes through Jesus which the Law just happened to point toward ;)

As far as following laws, it's more about YHVH's covenant justice in redemptive history as God's grace is shown all of humanity which just happen to be created in His image. Simply put, this is why we follow Jesus.

If you look at the biblical narrative from a theological perspective, it's about creation, sin, bondage, redemption and reconciliation. In that manner, this themed story is retold and retold again within sub-narritives of the grand narrative.

By fulfilling the law, a new covenant superceeds the old.

Grace and Peace.

Sound Like Your Saying Yes And No At The Same Time Here !

Have A Bless Day

 

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