JESUS QUESTIONS

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first of all i don't believe he was ever crucified or put on the cross .



but let me give you my oint on what you believe .



we must accept Gods will and not ask him why he did so and so and it's is blaspheme to say Why me to god or why did ur forget me or why didn't you help me .


this is what we muslims believe .

if anything happens we must accept what God does .

if my mother died i wont cry and feel sad because her death is Gods will so i must accept it .

is a son died i must accept what God did and not say Why !

who am i to say these things to God .

we consider Jesus a prophet who is now alive in the 2nd sky

and he will return with Mohammads message and have a war agaisnt the jews .
 
Problematic said:
but let me give you my oint on what you believe .
...

I don't think you know WHAT you believe! I know, as sure as there is a hell, you don't know what I believe.
 
videocrafter

?!

case closed.

am not good at this kind of speech
 
Hey Problematic, Jesus loves you! He doesn't wish that anyone parish. John 3:16 (NIV) says "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

You might want to think about that.
 
Ok videocrafter


you just lied to me with that verse for in psalms 2-7 it syas :


I will declair the decree: The lord hath said unto me (David) though art my son; this day have i begotton thee.

now tell does god lie or you
 
I just couldnt help it coz i know that one


you just said God only son and in the verse i gave you

This is a contradiction
 
Problematic said:
Ok videocrafter


you just lied to me with that verse for in psalms 2-7 it syas :

Huh? First of all I didn't write John 3:16. Second, if John 3:16 is a lie, then Psalm 2:7 is a lie. Thirdly, I don't know what Bible your reading from, but Psalm 2:7 says: "Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain?"

I think maybe you had better just leave the case closed, because you have no idea what you're saying. However, if you are going to continue, at least quote the Bible correctly, even if you don't believe in it.
 
Now this case goes to you .


which one is the lie ? which one is the truth ?

you have just proven my case and contradicted yourself and your trinity.


The psalms you gave me is from a newer bible


i used King James !!

I would never enter a religion that renews it self without Gods permission .


Why do christians keep on changing the Bible ?

i know : because you have not the original words of God .

God doesnt make mistakes or Contradictions .
 
Problematic said:
The psalms you gave me is from a newer bible ... Why do christians keep on changing the Bible ?

LOL, Bye Bruce lee! Have a nice eternity.
 
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Well gosh MLAE we'll sure miss ya around here, Have a good one, bye.
 
Problematic said:
We must accept Gods will and not ask him why he did so and so and it's is blaspheme to say Why me to god or why did u forget me or why didn't you help me.

this is what we Muslims believe .â€Â

Why do you expect Jesus to obey what Muslim believes?? , We don’t believe Koran which is a source of contradictions and ill copy of Bible by Mohammed!

Jesus was indeed forsaken by father as God can lawfully forsake sinners, Jesus was bearing the sins of you and me and in His agony he is crying (as a man He can cry) the above sentence

Problematic said:
if my mother died i wont cry and feel sad because her death is Gods will so i must accept it .

I am sorry that Satan bound you so much so you cannot express your feeling! So all the Muslims who are crying or being sad when their loved one were passed are Sinners right!
All the muslim victims of suicide bombers in Iraq and Afghanistan should accept the Evil and be happy!

Problematic said:
We consider Jesus a prophet who is now alive in the 2nd sky
and he will return with Mohammad’s message and have a war against the Jews.â€Â


Don't even dream of having a war agains isreal , I hope you know the outcome of the past arab wars :lol:

Jesus is not a prophet, He is God


Isaiah 9: 6 †For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us...â€Â

John 8:58, “Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.â€Â


In Jesus Name :

Ro 14:11 “EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD." (Including Mohammed’s Tongues and knee!)

“The demons also believe, and tremble†(James 2:19)

See in Koran Iblis (Satan) refused to bow down allah!

"It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels bow down to Adam, and they bowed down; not so Iblis; he refused to be of those who bow down. 12 (Allah) said: "What prevented thee from bowing down when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay." 13 (Allah) said: "Get thee down from this: it is not for thee to be arrogant here: get out, for thou art of the meanest (of creatures)." 14 He said: "Give me respite till the day they are raised up." 15 (Allah) said: "Be thou amongst those who have respite." (Surah 7:11-15)
 
MLAE said:
Ash hado an la illaha illa allah wa mohamed rasul allah.

I bear witness that there is no deity but ALLAH and mohamed is his slave and messenger.

I have been studying islam for a while with an open mind eliminated all those false thoughts that were imprinted in my head by my society.

But I was not ready to make such commitment, but thank to the people on this board now I am able to make this commitment.

FIrst, I noticed whenever someone makes a point about islam it is deleted right away, whenver someone asks christians a question that they dont understand they run away unable to answer, thats because they arent even sure if christ is their lord becuase he is not. And I noticed that its always the christians that are attacking islam and all islam does is defend itself but in the end they are called terrorists.

I thank allah for guiding me and hope he guides you.

My final advice. YOur blind, question your beliefs, could they be logical? study the quarn with an open mind dont be prejudice and study the life of mohamed with the intention of learning about the man not study his life so that you can tell people he is a murderer.

Study the bible with Open Mind MLAE ! You will understand the sacrifice of Christ .

Jesus said that "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay his life down for his friend," (John 15:13). Jesus laid his life down for his friends. Jesus performed the greatest act of love in the universe. He died for our sins. He paid the penalty of breaking the Law, which is death. If this were not so, there would be no damnation.

Jesus took our sins and died on the cross in our place (1 Pet. 2:24). This great act of love is unsurpassed in all the world. It means that you can, like Abraham (Gen. 15:6), be righteous by faith. All you need is faith in Jesus.

Are you tired of trying to keep all the Laws in Islam as you strive to do more good deeds than bad deeds in the hope that on the Day of Judgment your good deeds will outweigh your bad? Because you earn in large part your salvation, you cannot know whether or not you will be saved. If you are tired of trying to be perfect, of trying to obtain Paradise through your works, then you need Jesus. Jesus said, "If any of you are heavy laden, come to me, and I will give you rest," (Matt. 11:28).

Jesus forgave sins in Luke 5:20 and 7:48-49. He walked on water (Matt. 14:25). He rose from the dead (Matt. 28:6). Have you done more than He in keeping the Law or performing miracles? Has even the Prophet Muhammad done more than Jesus?

The Good News is that you, like Abraham, can be made righteous by faith. Do you want the righteousness that is by faith? Or, do you want to earn Paradise through your deeds? Can you earn it? Have you done it so far? Have you been doing enough?

Jesus said:

that He gives eternal life, (John 10:28-30).
that He received all authority in heaven and earth, (Matt. 28:18).
that He was the Way the Truth and The Life, (John 14:6).
that He will resurrect people on the Last Day, (John 6:40, 44, 54).
that the Holy Spirit bears witness of Him, (John 15:26).

Do you want to try and please God through keeping the Law of Allah or by the grace of Christ? Is the greatest act of love to ask you to earn heaven through good deeds or is it to be a sacrifice in order to give to you what you cannot attain yourself? In which is the greatest act of love?

If you want the eternal life that Jesus can give you, then trust what He did on the cross and do not rely on your own works to please God. Trust Jesus by faith. It is not Muhammad who forgives sins. Jesus does that (Luke 5:20; 7:48-49). Jesus said, "Believe in God. Believe also in me," (John 14:1).

Like Abraham, be righteous in God's eyes . . by faith.
 
First of all, abraham worshiped allah. Now what were all those prophets doing before jesus came? where they telling them to worship jesus? he wasnt even there yet.

and you say that jesus died on the cross instead of me, when was I supposed to die on the cross? and yes prophet mohamed has a miracle just like jesus, mohameds miracle is the quran. And someone said that mohamed copied the quran from the bible? okay first of all they didnt have the bible in arabic back than they didnt have the bible in arabic until 250 years after prophet mohameds death.

Muslims know that mohamed cant forgive sins, rather they know that only allah forgives sins.
 
MLAE said:
First of all, Abraham worshiped allah. Now what were all those prophets doing before Jesus came? Where they telling them to worship Jesus? He wasn’t even there yet.

I think you need to read my last reply again, The Pharisees asked the same question to Jesus....

John 8:58, “Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I AM.â€Â

Do you think Jesus lied?


Isaiah prophesied that Jesus is God


Isaiah 9: 6 †For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

I hope you as a Muslim accept Isaiah as a prophet don't you?





MLAE said:
and you say that Jesus died on the cross instead of me, when was I supposed to die on the cross? and

Do you think you are sinless, have you not lied or lusted? , See what Moses (Prophet as per Islam) says

Deu 21:22 “If a man has committed a sin worthy of death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a treeâ€Â

Our eternal life is through Jesus Christ only Mohammed never died for our sins !

Rom 5:21 “so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.â€Â

MLAE said:
yes prophet Mohammed has a miracle just like Jesus, mohameds miracle is the quran. And someone said that mohamed copied the quran from the bible? okay first of all they didnt have the bible in arabic back than they didnt have the bible in arabic until 250 years after prophet mohameds death.

Muslims know that mohamed cant forgive sins, rather they know that only allah forgives sins.


What Miracle Mohammed did? Can you quote from quran, During the time of Mohammed Christianity and Judaism was well established , It is very obvious that Mohammed ill copied the incidents from bible !


see the heresy from quran

Adam was 90 feet tall:

Allah made Adam 60 cubits high (generally a cubit was 18 inches. Therefore, Adam was 90 feet tall) The Prophet said, "Allah created Adam, making him 60 cubits tall. (Hadith, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 543, Narrated Abu Huraira.) Do you believe that Adam was 90 feet tall when God mad him?


You can beat your wives:

"As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly)..." (Quran, 4:34).


Satan peed in an ear:

"It was mentioned before the Prophet that there was a man who slept the night till morning (after sunrise). The Prophet said, 'He is a man in whose ears (or ear) Satan had urinated.'" (Hadith, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 492)