bodhitharta
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That's right if you judge a Muslim you will be judged the same way and you must love them even if they don't love you.
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Jesus said you must love all muslims and not judge them
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turnorburn
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Your just saying that because your a Muslim. :yes
jasoncran
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calling a sinner a sinner isnt judgment if its done in this manner, one tells the sinner what the bible says, and then asks for them to repent, not wanting them to go hell, a judgement would be like this, you sinner read the bible, and have you repented after you read it, if not then you are on you are on way to hell
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bodhitharta
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turnorburn said:
So you don't believe in what Jesus says? Jesus says he judges no man, are you better than him?
bodhitharta
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jasoncran said:
But first you would have had to stop sinning completely as Jesus said first take the beam out your own eye. Have you completely stopped sinning?
Matthew 7
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
John 8:14-16 (King James Version)
15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
Luke 6:36-38 (King James Version)
36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
If you condemn any Muslim you are sinning and if you have not love in your heart for every Muslim you are in danger of Hell Fire
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sk0rpi0n
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jasoncran said:
errr..what does this have to do with the OP?
jasoncran
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if that's that case if you believe that all christians are without sin at all(perected here and now then i suggest you really dont understand the bible. The apostle never said he wasnt without sin , the difference is that you have a desire to serve the Lord, and have asked him to your heart , and there's evidence. I have no desire to see you go to hell, at all.bodhitharta said:
If we followed your way of thinking and no the Lord then this forum wouldnt be, no churches, no witnesses, as perfection(totally)santification only happaens at death.
That verse(judge no lest you be judged) applies to those who have a hollier than you attitude, no humility, or when someones sins rather pray for them, the hope and want to see them go to hell.
You are seeking that acceptance from us, that we forgo what we believe to the word of god in the truth, and we wont stop speaking that thruth. I hope that you do repent and acept the Lord as a savior, if not i'm not your judge,
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Ed the Ned
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Bodhitharta, Lets look at this in the manner that Jesus would. He said no one gets to the father unless they believe in him and who he is. I 
that you will come to see that the Muslim way is not the way to the father and I also pray that one day I will stand next to you in heaven as we both honour and worship the Father. Not me but the bible said that if you do not repent and believe in Jesus and who he is then you won't have eternal life in heaven. The choice is yours, not mine. Until that time I will not sit by and let you blaspheme against Jesus as I believe you have done, as that has nothing to do with Love. Its got to with me defending the word of God and honouring my Father in heaven. So I hope to see you there! :yes
that you will come to see that the Muslim way is not the way to the father and I also pray that one day I will stand next to you in heaven as we both honour and worship the Father. Not me but the bible said that if you do not repent and believe in Jesus and who he is then you won't have eternal life in heaven. The choice is yours, not mine. Until that time I will not sit by and let you blaspheme against Jesus as I believe you have done, as that has nothing to do with Love. Its got to with me defending the word of God and honouring my Father in heaven. So I hope to see you there! :yesbodhitharta
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Tina said:
Yes, Jesus did say that but he also said he judges no man, so there is nothing to do to go through him as he is not judging how we get to the Father, understand?
bodhitharta
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jasoncran said:
Jesus said "I Judge no Man" but he did say we should do works that mete repentence
Matthew 3:7-9 (King James Version)
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance
Even Paul says:
Acts 26 (King James Version)
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
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Rick W
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John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
If you don't believe Jesus is the Christ then by His own words you are condemned. Nobody here is judging you but rather telling you what Christ has already said, if you don't believe then you are condemned.
If I say these things I am not judging you but simply witnessing that which Christ has already said. Therefore, Muslims don't believe Jesus is the Christ and are condemned.
Christ wasn't trying to be politically correct. He spoke plainly.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Why did Christ say that?
John 3:16 For God so loved the world...
Love doesn't mean one should hide the truth from the other so as not to appear judgmental as the title of this topic suggests.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
If you don't believe Jesus is the Christ then by His own words you are condemned. Nobody here is judging you but rather telling you what Christ has already said, if you don't believe then you are condemned.
If I say these things I am not judging you but simply witnessing that which Christ has already said. Therefore, Muslims don't believe Jesus is the Christ and are condemned.
Christ wasn't trying to be politically correct. He spoke plainly.
John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Why did Christ say that?
John 3:16 For God so loved the world...
Love doesn't mean one should hide the truth from the other so as not to appear judgmental as the title of this topic suggests.
Tina
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bodhitharta said:
This passage does not mean we should not distinguish good from evil or truth from error, for Jesus calls us to do just that a few verses later in his teaching on false prophets.
Matthew 7:15-20
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
bodhitharta said:
What about the verse just before :
John 8:12
When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
In verse 15, when Jesus said “I judge no manâ€Â, He means He judges not according to mere appearances and human standards like the Pharisees did. Instead, he passes judgment in keeping with reality, because he does so in oneness with the Father (verse 8:16). He judges simply by revealing the truth and pointing out one's distance from that truth. That is why He says He will not judge but His words will judge (verse 12:47-48). Such revelation carries implicit condemnation of that which is untrue, and Jesus makes that condemnation explicit.
John 8:16
And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me.
John 12:47-48
And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him  the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
bodhitharta said:
Here Jesus is talking about forgiving one who owes money.
bodhitharta said:
You have no idea to whom Jesus was speaking this verse, do you ?
He was speaking to the Pharisees and Sadducees. He called them “Brood of Vipers†(hypocrites) ... The Pharisees were the legalistic and separatistic groups, while the Sadducees were worldly, politically-minded and theologically unorthodox (cults) … Read the full context instead of plucking out verses here and there !
bodhitharta said:
What about the verses that follow :
Acts 26:21-23
For these reasons the Jews seized me in the temple and tried to kill me . Therefore, having obtained help from God, to this day I stand, witnessing both to small and great, saying no other things than those which the prophets and Moses said would come  that the Christ would suffer, that He would be the first to rise from the dead, and would proclaim light to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles.
bodhitharta said:
The issue of salvation is NOT open to compromise, understand ?
No one goes to the Father except through Jesus. You either take it or leave it. If you take it, you are saved, if you leave it, you are condemned … Period.
bodhitharta said:
We don’t mean to offend you or any other Muslim here. I know that the Truth hurts but if you come to a Christian forum, don’t expect us to compromise our beliefs just to please you. We do not know of any other Holy Scripture except what’s in the Bible.
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bodhitharta
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Rick W said:
All Muslims believe that Jesus is the Christ! So why not listen to Jesus ? Even if Muslims did not believe Jesus was Christ as all Muslims do, why Judge? Christians don't judge Jews who deny that Jesus is the Christ.
Tina
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bodhitharta said:
Believing that Jesus is the Christ is not sufficient for salvation ! ....... :naughty
bodhitharta said:
You're right , we should not judge. But we will not stop advising you on biblical truths as long as you keep snooping around this forum and annoying us ....... :biglol
bodhitharta said:
Christians don't judge anyone , Jews or non-Jews .
At least the Jews don't remind us of terrorists ......... :biglol
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Ed the Ned
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Jesus said "Watch out that no one decieves you, for man will come in my name,claiming I am the Christ and will decieve many."
If you think Jesus said Do not judge he meant accept anything that is being told about him, you are clearly mistaken. When Jesus told me to watch out he told me to judge what I am being told and does it compromise the gospel. I will not judge a person with his personal walk with Christ, but I will discern his or her comments as to who Christ is. Christ said we should love one another, he did not say we should love all muslims. One another means all people. He did not tell me to love all religions, and all sin that dwells inside people. To put people into a cult and then expect me to love the cult just because there are people in it is ludecrous.
If you think Jesus said Do not judge he meant accept anything that is being told about him, you are clearly mistaken. When Jesus told me to watch out he told me to judge what I am being told and does it compromise the gospel. I will not judge a person with his personal walk with Christ, but I will discern his or her comments as to who Christ is. Christ said we should love one another, he did not say we should love all muslims. One another means all people. He did not tell me to love all religions, and all sin that dwells inside people. To put people into a cult and then expect me to love the cult just because there are people in it is ludecrous.
Aero_Hudson
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Sinthesis said:
Let's take a step back and look at how we perceive the Muslim Community. Placing all Muslims into a generic stereotypical bucket does not do anyone any good.
As a Jesus follower, I think it is important to love everyone. I am noones judge and if God and the Holy Spirit urges me to speak with Muslims about my faith in the right place at the right time and in the right way I will do so. However, it is not my place to judge them if they do not accept Jesus as the way. Jesus was right when he stated to love everyone.