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Jesus the Pacifist

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TheStudent

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Jesus was a pacifist. this is clear. his only documented account of anger was when he threw down the stalls in the temple.

BUT

is God a pacifist?

consider Sodom and the volcano.

consider Noah and the flood.

consider Pharoh and the plagues.

consider the Tsunami that hit asia recently.
 
Jesus wont be much of a "pacifist" when He holds the keys to Death and Hell.

I would want to be on His side for that event Student.

Muhhamed your prophet holds not this power.
 
TheStudent said:
Jesus was a pacifist. this is clear. his only documented account of anger was when he threw down the stalls in the temple.

BUT

is God a pacifist?

consider Sodom and the volcano.

consider Noah and the flood.

consider Pharoh and the plagues.

consider the Tsunami that hit asia recently.
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Wasn't muhammed a pedophile?

Jesus came as the lamb to the slaughter the first time but on His next trip here, you will not want to be on His bad side. He came to suffer and pay for our sins but He is coming back as conquering King and Lord over all. Every knee will bow in that day including the demon masquerading as allah and all who chose to shun Jesus and kill His people in following this false god.
 
TheStudent said:
Jesus was a pacifist. This is clear. His only documented account of anger was when he threw down the stalls in the temple.
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I don't understand...?
Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven. Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn
'a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her motherinlawâ€â€
a man's enemies will be the members of his own household.'
Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it... -Translated qutoe from Yeshua(Jesus) Matthew 10
This does not sound like a pacifist to me...?
 
YAWN... muhammed the paedophile...yaaaawn

what a poor attack, bores me so much...

lets look at some facts:

According to Christian resources, Mary was 12-14 when she got pregnant. You will also see proofs from the Jews' Holiest Book, the Talmud, that girls were married off before at the age of 3, meaning that the Bible's Old Testament has no age limit on when girls can marry, and certainly the Jews had awfully abused it in the past.

According to the "Oxford Dictionary Bible" commentary, Mary (peace be upon her) was was 12 years old when she became impregnated.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

And knowing that the Bible's Old Testament allowed before for men to have sex with girls who were at the age of 3, then it wouldn't surprise me that those Prophets who had 700 wives for instance, had many very young "teenage" girls before as their wives.

It wouldn't surprise me if they too had wives that were younger than Mary when she got pregnant, and younger than Aisha when she got married.

Since there are so many wives that those Prophets married (hundreds of wives), then how would anyone know that they didn't marry young women as our beloved Prophet peace be upon him did with his marriage to Aisha peace be upon her?
 
So you admit that Muhammad married a girl of 6 and had sex with her when she was 9? How sick!

The difference between what you quoted about the Old Testament prophets and the so-called "profit" Muhammad was that Muhammad made this silly claim:

  • "...If you love Allah, then follow me (Muhammed)..." (Sura 3:31).

    "Ye have indeed in the Apostle of Allah (Muhammad) a beautiful pattern of (conduct) for anyone whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day." (Sura 33:21).
Well, I reject that claim. His actions are that of a thug, murderer, thief, child molester. I reject his claim that he is a model for all mankind.

We know him by his fruits and his fruits are rotten.

.
 
gary,

you become more foolish everyday.

are all prophets not guided by God?
 
The only sinless person was Jesus. Even the Quran admits this.

Why would anyone follow a sinful man, especially someone like Muhammad?
 
TheStudent said:
gary,

you become more foolish everyday.

are all prophets not guided by God?
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Yes but false ones are not. muhammed was a false prophet and a pedophile. You can be bored with this fact all day if you would like but it still is true and quite disgusting.
 
TheStudent said:
YAWN... muhammed the paedophile...yaaaawn

what a poor attack, bores me so much...

lets look at some facts:

According to Christian resources, Mary was 12-14 when she got pregnant. You will also see proofs from the Jews' Holiest Book, the Talmud, that girls were married off before at the age of 3, meaning that the Bible's Old Testament has no age limit on when girls can marry, and certainly the Jews had awfully abused it in the past.

According to the "Oxford Dictionary Bible" commentary, Mary (peace be upon her) was was 12 years old when she became impregnated.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

And knowing that the Bible's Old Testament allowed before for men to have sex with girls who were at the age of 3, then it wouldn't surprise me that those Prophets who had 700 wives for instance, had many very young "teenage" girls before as their wives.

It wouldn't surprise me if they too had wives that were younger than Mary when she got pregnant, and younger than Aisha when she got married.

Since there are so many wives that those Prophets married (hundreds of wives), then how would anyone know that they didn't marry young women as our beloved Prophet peace be upon him did with his marriage to Aisha peace be upon her?
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You know what is so funny about you and the rest of the muslim you don't not know the different between then and now as I have wrote earlier there is a division between the Old and the New Testament you should know that by now and yet every time you quote from the Old Testament as if it was now.
Your very desperate as to use the Old Testament against us. because it shows that you have no case at all.
And nobody know for sure how old Miriam was when she got pregnant.
shalom and love in the name of YESHUA the only way to GOD.
 
Message to TheStudent - Please Reconsider

Hi Student,

I was just reading through the posts and came across yours where you said you are leaving? I just signed up myself and really think we could learn more from one another. I hope you will not leave. I am learning more about the beautiful faith of Islam everyday and I would love to speak more with you? Please do not go! I believe "knowledge unshared is knowledge wasted"

Peace.
 
Jesus was a pacifist but he also

warned that all those who claim to be chrsitian will not fall within his grace:

Matthew 7:21-23

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of
heaven, but
only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy
in your name,
and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’

23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me,
you evildoers!’

Jesus made it clear that not all those who claim to follow his teachings are doing that at all. Jesus is on to folks like this. Yes, he is a pacifist but not a fool and he knew there would be wolves in sheep skin among us and I gt the feeling he was talking about those who claimed to follow his teachings but in fact were doing anything but that.

Peace again to you, The Student
 
Lyric's Dad said:
TheStudent said:
gary,

you become more foolish everyday.

are all prophets not guided by God?
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Yes but false ones are not. muhammed was a false prophet and a pedophile. You can be bored with this fact all day if you would like but it still is true and quite disgusting.
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Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
 
Re: Message to TheStudent - Please Reconsider

james1964 said:
Hi Student,

I was just reading through the posts and came across yours where you said you are leaving? I just signed up myself and really think we could learn more from one another. I hope you will not leave. I am learning more about the beautiful faith of Islam everyday and I would love to speak more with you? Please do not go! I believe "knowledge unshared is knowledge wasted"

Peace.
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Craig Winn, prophet of doom

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/toc.html


I have read virtually all of this now, it is a relentless assault on Muhammad and Islam. It goes out to portray Islam not merely as horrifically immoral, but as genuinely demonic. The book is also fairly amusing at times, in the way it ridicules the religion. It can't fail to be an informative work because the author uses lots of material from the Quran, Bukhari and Muslim, Ibn Ishaq and Tabari. Well worth reading.
 
"God heard the boy (Ishmael) crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar ........for I will make him into a great nation.........God was with the boy as he grew up." (Genesis 21:17-20)

God favored Ishmael and rewarded him with creating a great "nation" most of whom are currently Moslem. Although we may not consider "Mohammed" a true prophet, God has established a common link between Christians, Abraham's descendents and Ishmael's descendents. As Abraham's son and one of the first to be circumcised, one could make a convincing argument that Ishmael met all the requirements of being a Jew.
 
to answer the original question of Is God a Pacifist?

ill respond with a qeustion:

Why would God make his only Son a pacifist if he didn't beilve in Pacofist himself?





basically God is a pacifist with restrictions becuase he is the Lord of good AND evil, his Son was a complete pacifist, and that is what we need to follow and pass on to every human on earth.
 
y not peace? said:
to answer the original question of Is God a Pacifist?

ill respond with a qeustion:

Why would God make his only Son a pacifist if he didn't beilve in Pacofist himself?





basically God is a pacifist with restrictions becuase he is the Lord of good AND evil, his Son was a complete pacifist, and that is what we need to follow and pass on to every human on earth.
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Christ certainly was not a "pacifist" as we would say today. Remember that He flipped the tables of the money changers? Remember that He was known for getting in peoples faces when it was needed. And please remember that when He returns, He is not coming as the Lamb to the slaughter this time but the conquering King. He will not be construed as a pacifist on that day.
 
is throwing a table non-pacifism? Also: He never killed someone, nor even hit someone, and THAT was the example he set, which we shoudl folo. NON VIOLENCE
 
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