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Jewish judgement

We have to believe in God and accept Jesus as the Son of God. If we don't, at death there is no heaven.

So what happens at death for the Jewish people - God's chosen? They don't accept Jesus as the Son of God, only as a prophet.

Does this mean God's chosen people all go to hell for eternity?

Seems like a harsh punishment for people who have suffered more than any because of their devotion to God.
 
first off welcome to the forum. and no its not cruel, read romans 11 kjv

1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

God hasnt forgoten them but he cant say to the gentile come by christ or die and enter hell yet to the jew ok, you tried and killed my son and that doesnt mean anything. No God forbid. there is neither greek nor gentile, male or female.

the blessings and cursings go to the jew first then the gentile.
 
We have to believe in God and accept Jesus as the Son of God. If we don't, at death there is no heaven.

So what happens at death for the Jewish people - God's chosen? They don't accept Jesus as the Son of God, only as a prophet.

Does this mean God's chosen people all go to hell for eternity?

Seems like a harsh punishment for people who have suffered more than any because of their devotion to God.
Well first of all they suffered more than most because of there lack of devotion to God. At death both Jews and Gentils go to hell if they are not saved, its the default plan for all. Accept Jesus and live.
 
Romans 11 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill meâ€


Romans 11 7,8 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day.â€

So the Jews turned away from God during the time of Elijah. Their punishment was that God gave them "a spirit of stupor" until He deemed it the right time to open their eyes - which I guess they are still waiting for? I am presuming when God said "to this very day" (verse 8) the punishment exists until now.

What I can't get my head around is where is the choice for present day Jews?
We are told God gives us a choice - accept or deny Jesus.
However, the present day Jews don't have a choice, because God has closed their eyes and ears.

They appear to have a one way ticket to hell for something their ancestors did.
If the present day Jews did not have their eyes and ears closed by God then the "default" judgement may be acceptable.

ETERNAL suffering in hell, for anybody who is denied a choice, seems totally contradictary to a loving and just God.
 
Romans 11 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill meâ€


Romans 11 7,8 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day.â€

So the Jews turned away from God during the time of Elijah. Their punishment was that God gave them "a spirit of stupor" until He deemed it the right time to open their eyes - which I guess they are still waiting for? I am presuming when God said "to this very day" (verse 8) the punishment exists until now.

What I can't get my head around is where is the choice for present day Jews?
We are told God gives us a choice - accept or deny Jesus.
However, the present day Jews don't have a choice, because God has closed their eyes and ears.

They appear to have a one way ticket to hell for something their ancestors did.
If the present day Jews did not have their eyes and ears closed by God then the "default" judgement may be acceptable.

ETERNAL suffering in hell, for anybody who is denied a choice, seems totally contradictary to a loving and just God.

well being a man of jewish descent simple. repent! i did and my dad did and my bro dad. we are all person of jewish descent and i know of soo many more jews.

God does save the jews, paul is talking about as a nation.not indivual jews, otherwise how did Paul a jew come to christ?
 
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