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Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same God.

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Though Land neither confirms nor denies that Jews and Christians worship the same God, surely he would concede that the first Christians, Jews all, did not understand Christian discipleship to entail switching to a new God. But what of the first Muslims? If they, too, understood themselves to be worshipping the God of the Jews, then were they not necessarily worshipping the God of the Christians as well?

The Qur’an identifies Allah as none other than the God to whom Abraham offered “submission†(‘islam) in the episode Jews and Christians know so well from Genesis 22, the story of the binding of Isaac. As the paradigmatic Muslim or “submitter,†Abraham then made the original, paradigmatic pilgrimage to Mecca, Muslims believe, accompanied by the very son, Ishmael, whom Allah had rescued so dramatically.

Jews and Christians have always believed that Muhammad got this story wrong. It was Isaac, not Ishmael, who was bound, they believe, and Abraham made no such pilgrimage to Mecca. But have Jews and Christians also believed, historically, that Muhammad had the divine protagonist wrong as wellâ€â€-to the point that he was referring to another deity altogether?

This, it seems, is Land’s assumption when he writes: “There is only one true God, and His name is Jehovah, not Allah.†As it happens, centuries of Jewish and Christian thinkers have assumed just the opposite. When Muhammad first preached to the Jews of Arabia, the Jews definitely thought he had got their God wrong, but they just as definitely did not think he had got the wrong God.

As for the name, ‘allah in Arabic is a contraction for ‘al-‘ilah, “the-God,†and as such is cognate with Hebrew ‘eloh, “god,†(plural of abstraction, ‘elohim, “deityâ€Â). In both languages, the common noun meaning “deity†or “god†can function in monotheistic context as a proper name for the only actual instance of such a being. (Note that neither Hebrew nor Arabic employs capital letters to make a God/god distinction.)

Linguistic technicalities aside, what matters is that back in the seventh century, the first Muslims were using the same kind of word in Arabic that the Jews were using theologically in Hebrew and using it in the same way. Much the same could be said of seventh-century Christians speaking of God in Syriac or Coptic, Semitic languages then still widely used.

That Jews, Christians, and Muslims have always assumed their differences to be about the character rather than the identity of God is abundantly witnessed centuries later in late medieval Spain where the three religions mingled freely and the best scholars were bi- or even trilingual in Latin, Arabic, and Hebrew. During that era, a number of famous theological debates took place in which all participants transparently assumed that all other participants were speaking of-â€â€and, of course, disagreeing aboutâ€â€-the same divine subject.

Perhaps the most strenuous of all such medieval wrestling matches was the silent, private bout between Thomas Aquinas and Ibn Rushd, the earlier Muslim philosopher whom the West knows as Averroes. Aquinas wrote his immense Summa Contra Gentiles in good part to refute Ibn Rushd, but the Angelic Doctor never saw fit to take what would have been the terribly convenient shortcut of claiming, in the manner of Richard Land, that whatever his Muslim forebear had said about God was irrelevant because the man was simply speaking of another god.

Muslim assumptions on the same point are, if anything, even more formally enshrined in tradition than Jewish and Christian assumptions. Muslims battled those who worshipped false gods, beginning with the Arab polytheists of Mecca and Medina, but they officially tolerated Jews and Christians because they understood the latter to be worshipping the one true God, the God or, in Arabic, Allah. Regrettably, or so Muslims believed, Jews and Christians had adulterated the primeval, pure ‘islam of Abraham with an assortment of pagan errors, but all the same these “peoples of the book†were not worshipping a false god.

I do not mean to deny either that theological differences exist among Jews, Christians, and Muslims or that these differences matter. Can God have a son who is also God, or does such a belief detract from the purity of monotheism? Can God properly be spoken of as humankind’s father, or is such a notion an anthropomorphic holdover from paganism in which every god had his goddess and all life sprang from their loins?

The theological differences are many, yet there remains an immense common holding as well. One need only view the three Abrahamic religions from the Benares or Kyoto to realize this. All three believe that God is the Creator and that God will someday end the world that he created. All three believe that God is a judge as well, that he will show himself as such on the last day, and that the criterion for his judgment will be not worldly greatness but moral integrity. And this list can be extended just as easily as the list of differences.

As for the political context of the President’s remark, it has to matter to all Americans that, thanks in part to evangelical aggressiveness, much of the Muslim world believes that the American war on terror is a war on Islam or, worse, an American-led Christian war on Islam. The Presidentâ€â€in his proper capacity as political rather than theological leaderâ€â€ought to miss no opportunity to repudiate this view. His London remark, however impulsively made, put him squarely in the Christian mainstream and should be welcomed as a small step in the right direction.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/136/story_13658_2.html
 
I will agree that Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same God even though they refer to God with different names.
 
If they wouldn't then it would render Islam and Christianity flase religions.
 
KaerbEmEvig said:
If they wouldn't then it would render Islam and Christianity flase religions.

There are two types of people on this planet past, present, and future. Those that are condemned by their unbelief, and those that are saved by their belief.
Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, etc.

No one comes to the Father God except through Jesus Christ.
 
Allah was just the one of 300+ stone idols that Mohammed chose to proclaim as the one true God, in order to unify Arabs

Allah was the moon-god, which is why the crescent moon is the symbol of Islam: even many Muslims don't know that

The Almighty Creator is a jealous God, who will not share His glory with idols, the Bible says

The blasphemous Dome of the Rock mosque's infamous inscription says,
'God has no son'

John 1, Colossians 1 & Hebrews 1 make it clear that Jesus is the Almighty Creator in human form

Jesus warned, in Matthew 24, that there would be many false christs/ messiahs/prophets

Mohammed was a false prophet & stone idol Allah is a false god

Jesus said the most important commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind & strength

He also said, 'The truth shall set you free'

God bless!

Ian
 
There are two types of people on this planet past, present, and future. Those that are condemned by their unbelief, and those that are saved by their belief.
Muslims, Jews, Christians, Buddhists, etc.

Sorry? You didn't even label any of these, just listed them. Care to explain what this babling meant to say?

No one comes to the Father God except through Jesus Christ.

Stop this silly Christian propaganda, please. Repeating a lie thousand times doesn't work these days, drop your Goebells-like habits.
 
Silly propaganda?

It was the Lord Jesus Christ who said, 'I am THE way, THE truth & THE life: no-one comes to the Father except thru Me' - John 14:6

See also Acts 4:12

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Silly propaganda?

It was the Lord Jesus Christ who said, 'I am THE way, THE truth & THE life: no-one comes to the Father except thru Me' - John 14:6

See also Acts 4:12

Must go
 
MrVersatile48 said:
Allah was just the one of 300+ stone idols that Mohammed chose to proclaim as the one true God, in order to unify Arabs

Allah was the moon-god, which is why the crescent moon is the symbol of Islam: even many Muslims don't know that

The Almighty Creator is a jealous God, who will not share His glory with idols, the Bible says

The blasphemous Dome of the Rock mosque's infamous inscription says,
'God has no son'

John 1, Colossians 1 & Hebrews 1 make it clear that Jesus is the Almighty Creator in human form

Jesus warned, in Matthew 24, that there would be many false christs/ messiahs/prophets

Mohammed was a false prophet & stone idol Allah is a false god

Allah is not one of the stone idol gods that was worshiped in the pre-islamic era. Allah is the translation of God in Arabic. In Arabic Bibles the word for God is Allah. Also Allah is not some pagan moon god and to say that shows the lack ok knowledge you have for Islam. Yes it is true that their were idol gods being worshiped in Mecca and the Muhammud(pbuh) did destroy them but to say Allah was one of the Gods that was chosen to stay is completey wrong. If this were true then were is the stone idol now and how was it that the Quran came into exisistence. The crescent moon represents the begining of the holy month of Ramadan. That is how muslims determined when the month started was by the moon.

How would you like it if i said Dec, 25th is nothing more than the birthday of a pagan God not Jesus(pbuh). And that Paul proclaimed this date so that he could relate Jesus(pbuh) to their pagan god and therfore make it more appealing to convert pagans?
 
MrVersatile48 said:
Silly propaganda?

It was the Lord Jesus Christ who said, 'I am THE way, THE truth & THE life: no-one comes to the Father except thru Me' - John 14:6

(1) How do we know that Jesus actually said it?
(2) Could it not be interpreted in more than one way?
(3) Whether or not Jesus said it, and whatever it means, how do we know that it is true?
 
Exactly. Christians try to prove their theory by the theory itself...
 
Allah is the Arabic term for "God" in Abrahamic religions, and is the main term for the deity in Islam.

Outside the Arab world, Allah is associated with Islam, and is used to refer specifically to the Islamic concept of God. It is the same as the Jewish conception of God [1][2] , but differs from the Trinitarian Christian conception of a single God

To read more click here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
 
Stop this silly Christian propaganda, please. Repeating a lie thousand times doesn't work these days, drop your Goebells-like habits.
This is a Christian site and you are in violation of our TOS. If you don't like our message or rules, you can always purchase a ticket to another site. If you can't afford a ticket, one WILL be purchased for you! :-?

(1) How do we know that Jesus actually said it?
(2) Could it not be interpreted in more than one way?
(3) Whether or not Jesus said it, and whatever it means, how do we know that it is true?
At which point do you choose to beliebe the Bible, if you believe it at all? What is your criteria for making such a decision?

How would you like it if i said Dec, 25th is nothing more than the birthday of a pagan God not Jesus(pbuh).
Go for it! It's true, I won't deny it.

And that Paul proclaimed this date so that he could relate Jesus(pbuh) to their pagan god and therfore make it more appealing to convert pagans?
That is untrue. Paul had NOTHING to do with the naming or dating of the 'holiday'.
 
vic said:
At which point do you choose to beliebe the Bible, if you believe it at all? What is your criteria for making such a decision?

I don't have time at the moment to give much of a reply (perhaps I will come back to it) but I would say that one criteria should be whether the Bible contains error / inconsistency. If it does, then that seems to count against it being the word of God. I will start a thread in "Apologetics and Theology" giving an example of where I think the Bible appears inconsistent.
 
undertow said:
vic said:
At which point do you choose to beliebe the Bible, if you believe it at all? What is your criteria for making such a decision?

I don't have time at the moment to give much of a reply (perhaps I will come back to it) but I would say that one criteria should be whether the Bible contains error / inconsistency. If it does, then that seems to count against it being the word of God. I will start a thread in "Apologetics and Theology" giving an example of where I think the Bible appears inconsistent.

Undertow
I look forward to your post. It will be interesting to see how you will be able to find mistakes in the bible when nobody has been able to do it for 2000 + years
 
jgredline said:
undertow said:
vic said:
At which point do you choose to beliebe the Bible, if you believe it at all? What is your criteria for making such a decision?

I don't have time at the moment to give much of a reply (perhaps I will come back to it) but I would say that one criteria should be whether the Bible contains error / inconsistency. If it does, then that seems to count against it being the word of God. I will start a thread in "Apologetics and Theology" giving an example of where I think the Bible appears inconsistent.

Undertow
I look forward to your post. It will be interesting to see how you will be able to find mistakes in the bible when nobody has been able to do it for 2000 + years

Those mistakes and errors have been shown and proven since Enlightment, but Conservative Christians (like you and vic) are too narrow-minded to accept them as historical facts - you don't need facts, you have your faith...
 
The 'Enlightenment' was a misnomer, as it put faith in what Colossians 2:8 calls 'hollow & deceptive philosophy'

1 Corinthians 1:18-27 shows, in several ways, how infinitely greater is the wisdom & power of God than those of puny man

Romans 1:18-32 puts the tin hat on what should be called the enDARKENment

Back to print...

Colossians 2:8 (New International Version)

8See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:18-27 (New International Version)


Christ the Wisdom and Power of God


18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."[a]

20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

26Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong.

Romans 1:18-32 (New International Version)


God's Wrath Against Mankind

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them.
20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualitiesâ€â€his eternal power and divine natureâ€â€have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools
23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorâ€â€who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

I must add 1 Tim 4:1

1 Timothy 4:1 (New International Version)


1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

The unprecedented occult revival of the past 40+ years shows the prophesied increase in the spirit of antichrist, preparing for the worst global tyrant ever: the Antichrist

Don't miss the instant airlift Rapture rescue of all who love Jesus, per Matt 24:30-31, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-5:11 etc

'God commands everyone, everywhere, to repent & belive the gospel'

See also John 3 & Romans 3

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God bless!

Ian
 
Ian, nice opening there in your post. :wink:

you don't need facts, you have your faith...
Hey, we agree on something!

Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
Prov 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

The question is; are you transformed and are you indwelled by the Spirit of the LORD, or are you just trying to conform to the world and mold scripture into an image that carnal Man can comprehend?
 
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