Jimmy Carter

[Fastfredy0]

Jimmy Carter was the first president to openly support LGBTQ rights. He was the first to meet with gay rights activists and opposed the homophobic California Briggs Initiative. He also endorsed a gay rights plank in the democratic party's platform in 1980 when running for reelection.​

Carter has stated that he supports same-sex marriage in civil ceremonies. He said: "I believe Jesus would. I don't have any verse in scripture ... I believe Jesus would approve gay marriage, but that's just my own personal belief.

Gee, and Carter was protestant Baptist Sunday school teacher for decades.

Hypothetical: I wonder what the content of the epistle John or Paul would write to the Maranatha Baptist Church in Plains Georgia when referring to Jimmy.

 

[Milk-Drops]

They would probably wonder why this country on the opposite of the world is obsessed with worldly politics and controlling worldly matters and why the US has an elected government instead of a monarchy.

 

[Dave...]

Back in the sixties and seventies, the gay movement was also staunch public supporters of pedophilia. The two causes were openly tied together. They are still together today, but only behind the scenes, not publicly. It was at about that same time in the seventies that the pedophile movement was determined to be too controversial so they publicly separated. Today they should be called the LBGTQP. Homosexuals will openly admit that they are after your children. And they don't mean their minds.

 

[Milk-Drops]

Back in the sixties and seventies, the gay movement was also staunch public supporters of pedophilia.

Nope. That is a straight up lie

The two causes were openly tied together. They are still together today, but only behind the scenes, not publicly.

Nope, declaring something doesn't mean it true. Pedophiles have never been welcome in lgbt spaces.

It was at about that same time in the seventies that the pedophile movement was determined to be too controversial so they publicly separated.

Nope, pedophiles have never been welcome.

Today they should be called the LBGTQP. Homosexuals will openly admit that they are after your children. And they don't mean their minds.

Nope, saying stuff doesn't maKe it true.

 

[Dave...]

Nope, declaring something doesn't mean it true.

You can look it up some time if you like.

 

[Milk-Drops]

You can look it up some time if you like.

I have. You have not shown any evidence. May I ask where you got this information? Maybe I can see it and become convinced.

 

[Whatever]

Jimmy Carter was the first president to openly support LGBTQ rights. He was the first to meet with gay rights activists and opposed the homophobic California Briggs Initiative. He also endorsed a gay rights plank in the democratic party's platform in 1980 when running for reelection.

I heard on TV this morning that all the Mainline Church charities are spending billions of dollars to help illegal aliens that are coming to this country. I mean while they are on their way coming here. And also that they were getting a lot of money through the state department. That sounds like our taxes to me.

That is what you get when you take one point of Scripture "charity" to the exclusion of upholding the law.
Titus 3:1 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work,

1 Peter 2:13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme, 14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

These Mainline Church charities seem to not have one care of how they are harming American citizens by helping these aliens come in. All they seem to care about is "but these people are hungry and thirsty." Not realizing that they are hungry and thirsty because you helped them leave home and make the trip here in the first place.

 

[Barbarian]

These Mainline Church charities seem to not have one care of how they are harming American citizens by helping these aliens come in. All they seem to care about is "but these people are hungry and thirsty."

(Barbarian checks)
Matthew 25:37 Then shall the just answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, and fed thee; thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 And when did we see thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and covered thee? 39 Or when did we see thee sick or in prison, and came to thee? 40 And the king answering, shall say to them: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it to one of these my least brethren, you did it to me.

41 Then he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry, and you gave me not to eat: I was thirsty, and you gave me not to drink. 43 I was a stranger, and you took me not in: naked, and you covered me not: sick and in prison, and you did not visit me. 44 Then they also shall answer him, saying: Lord, when did we see thee hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to thee? 45 Then he shall answer them, saying: Amen I say to you, as long as you did it not to one of these least, neither did you do it to me.

46 And these shall go into everlasting punishment: but the just, into life everlasting.
He didn't say "feed and clothe those in need, if they have a green card." Christian churches are just doing what He tells us to do. You're free to disagree with Him, of course.
BTW, we all benefit from the economic contributions of illegal workers.

Costs of Deportation​

6.4 percent: Amount the labor force would shrink due to mass deportation.

$1.6 trillion: Estimated reduction of U.S. GDP as a result.

5.7 percent: Amount the U.S. economy would shrink due to mass deportation.

$400 billion: Direct cost to the federal government.

And they tend to commit fewer crimes than native-born Americans:

Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate​

Analysis of Texas arrest records indicates a consistent trend across violent, drug, property, and traffic offenses between 2012 and 2018.

Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate

An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and...

nij.ojp.gov

 

[Corn Pop]

Sorry Trump , it was Ernest Rutherford from NZ. Trump stealing one of the only credits and achievements we got. Lol. Aside from the first to conquor Everest.

 

[Barbarian]

Back in the sixties and seventies, the gay movement was also staunch public supporters of pedophilia.

We can test that assumption. Let's look at the numbers...

Science and case management experience has shown us that most child molesters are heterosexual. Abuse is about power and control and is not anchored by sexual orientation. Dr. Gene Abel, a researcher in the field of sexual violence for over twenty-five years, wrote an article for the average parent in Redbook magazine to take the knowledge he gained in doing over 100 scientific articles to provide specific warning signs for parents and caregivers. In this article, he explicitly states that most cases of boys being molested are attributed to heterosexuals.

"…[M]ost men who molest little boys are not gay. Only 21 percent of the child molesters we studied who assault little boys were exclusively homosexual. Nearly 80 percent of the men who molested little boys were heterosexual or bisexual and most of these men were married and had children of their own."

Dr. A. Nicholas Groth, researcher on adult male offenders and author of “Men Who Rape: Psychology of the Offender”, states that it is a myth that adult males who molest boys are homosexual. He provides several clinical examples to back up his finding including the connection that molesters see themselves in their victims, but would not be attracted to adult males.

"…They see the boy as a projected representation of themselves. They feel themselves to be more child than adult – more boys than men – and therefore find themselves more comfortable (especially sexually) in the company of children...." (Groth, 1982)

Medical data backs up this psychological observation. In a 1994 study, researchers reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children’s hospital as a result of being sexually abused. In looking at charts for a one year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992), the researchers found that the molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1 percent of cases (2 of 269) in which the adult molester could be identified. (Jenny, Roesler, and Poyer, 1994).

Sexuality of Offenders

At JWRC, we work to educate families and community members about steps they can take to help prevent sexual abuse in their own families, organizations and

zeroabuseproject.org

If protecting kids really matters to you...

 

[Barbarian]

Sorry Trump , it was Ernest Rutherford from NZ. Trump stealing one of the only achievements we got. Lol. Aside from the first to conquor Everest.

He just makes up stuff as he goes. I don't think reality has any hold on him at all.

 

[Fastfredy0]

$1.6 trillion: Estimated reduction of U.S. GDP as a result.

...and $3 trillion saved on expenses a year

5.7 percent: Amount the U.S. economy would shrink due to mass deportation.

...and $3 trillion saved on expenses a year

$400 billion: Direct cost to the federal government.

probably true, but unnecessary had the federal government enforced it's laws

Most come with a lack of education and a lack of a highly valued skill set. They are a huge financial strain on infrastructure, medical care, language training, schooling and cultural differences that cause conflict.

 

[Barbarian]

...and $3 trillion saved on expenses a year

Show us that; checkable source. I'm calling B.S. on that.

probably true, but unnecessary had the federal government enforced it's laws

That's the cost of enforcing those laws. That was the point.

Most come with a lack of education and a lack of a highly valued skill set.

You're a bit behind the curve on that. Increasingly, they come from Asia, and are skilled and literate. Point is, they wouldn't come here to work, if employers didn't have jobs for them to fill.

They are a huge financial strain on infrastructure, medical care, language training, schooling and cultural differences that cause conflict.

Well, that's a testable assumption. Here's one analysis by a republican comptroller of Texas:
The Comptroller’s office estimates the absence of the estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas in fiscal 2005 would have been a loss to our Gross State Product of $17.7 billion. Also, the Comptroller’s office estimates that state revenues collected from undocumented immigrants exceed what the state spent on services, with the difference being $424.7 million (Exhibit 18).

https://www.fosterglobal.com/policy_papers/TexasAnalysisCost-BenefitOfUndocdWorkers.pdf

After that, the republicans running the state decided not to ever update the study, for reasons you can probably guess. Read it, run the numbers, and then show us your data.

 

[Barbarian]

Sorry Trump , it was Ernest Rutherford from NZ. Trump stealing one of the only credits and achievements we got. Lol. Aside from the first to conquor Everest.

There have been many outstanding NZ scientists. One of the great ones was Maurice Wilkens, who with Watson and Crick was awarded the Nobel Prize for determining the structure of DNA.

 

[Barbarian]

“Nothing can be more hopeless than a population of disillusioned bigots, who have lost the capacity to be rational, and have no longer any outlet but despair for their irrationality. Such a population has no power of self-direction, and little willingness to accept again the kind of direction from without which has been found to lead astray. The springs of action are dried up, and nothing remains but listless drifting. This is part of the price that has to be paid for indulgence in collective hysteria.”
― Bertrand Russell, Why Fanaticism Brings Defeat, BBC broadcast transcript (23 September 1948). Image: Bertrand Russell, BBC Studios 1954.

 

[Dave...]

Bigots means anyone who disagrees with a liberal. You know, the tolerant ones.

 

[Dave...]

We can test that assumption. Let's look at the numbers...

Science and case management experience has shown us that most child molesters are heterosexual. Abuse is about power and control and is not anchored by sexual orientation. Dr. Gene Abel, a researcher in the field of sexual violence for over twenty-five years, wrote an article for the average parent in Redbook magazine to take the knowledge he gained in doing over 100 scientific articles to provide specific warning signs for parents and caregivers. In this article, he explicitly states that most cases of boys being molested are attributed to heterosexuals.

Dr. A. Nicholas Groth, researcher on adult male offenders and author of “Men Who Rape: Psychology of the Offender”, states that it is a myth that adult males who molest boys are homosexual. He provides several clinical examples to back up his finding including the connection that molesters see themselves in their victims, but would not be attracted to adult males.

Medical data backs up this psychological observation. In a 1994 study, researchers reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children’s hospital as a result of being sexually abused. In looking at charts for a one year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992), the researchers found that the molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1 percent of cases (2 of 269) in which the adult molester could be identified. (Jenny, Roesler, and Poyer, 1994).

Sexuality of Offenders

At JWRC, we work to educate families and community members about steps they can take to help prevent sexual abuse in their own families, organizations and

zeroabuseproject.org

If protecting kids really matters to you...

This has nothing to do with what I said. Assumption? That's all liberal argumentation. It's meant to appeal to those who have itching ears for those lies. It sounds bold, but has nothing but a slight of hand for substance.

You may want to google lbgq and nambla for starters

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[Barbarian]

This has nothing to do with what I said.

Just pointing out that if you care about kids, you're wasting your time obsessing about homosexuals. It's heterosexuals out there molesting them. If you actually care about the kids, you're wasting your time bashing homosexuals.

NAMBLA is a pedophile group, not a homosexual group. And of course...

Medical data backs up this psychological observation. In a 1994 study, researchers reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children’s hospital as a result of being sexually abused. In looking at charts for a one year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992), the researchers found that the molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1 percent of cases (2 of 269) in which the adult molester could be identified. (Jenny, Roesler, and Poyer, 1994).

That's the reality.

Bigots means anyone who disagrees with a liberal.

It's funny how those guys always try to play the victim card. "Boo-hoo, the liberals say bad things about us!"
Except it's not liberals saying it. Bigots like to feel persecuted.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Show us that; checkable source. I'm calling B.S. on that.

Source: https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf
Illegal immigrants are a net fiscal drain, meaning they receive more in government services than
they pay in taxes. This result is not due to laziness or fraud. Illegal immigrants actually have
high rates of work, and they do pay some taxes, including income and payroll taxes. The
fundamental reason that illegal immigrants are a net drain is that they have a low average
education level, which results in low average earnings and tax payments. It also means a large
share qualify for welfare programs, often receiving benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born
children. Like their less-educated and low-income U.S.-born counterparts, the tax payments of
illegal immigrants do not come close to covering the cost they create.

Using the National Academies’ estimate of immigrants’ net fiscal impact by education
level, we estimate that the lifetime fiscal drain (taxes paid minus costs) for each illegal
immigrant is about $68,000, although this estimate comes with some caveats.
... So Biden let in 12,000,000 * 68K = 816 billion dollars

Illegal immigrants make extensive use of welfare. Based on government data, we
estimate that 59 percent of households headed by illegal immigrants use one or more
major welfare programs, compared to 39 percent of households headed by the U.S.-born.
• Based on their use rate of major welfare programs, we estimate that illegal immigrants
receive $42 billion in benefits, or about 4 percent of the total cost of the cash, Medicaid,
food and housing programs examined in our study.

Use of emergency medical services is another area in which illegal immigrants create
significant fiscal costs. Prior research indicates that there are 5.8 million uninsured illegal
immigrants in the country in 2019, accounting for a little over one-fifth of the total
population without health insurance. The costs of providing care to them likely totals
some $7 billion annually.

Illegal immigrants do add perhaps $321 billion to the nation’s GDP, but this is not a
measure of their tax contributions or the benefits they create for the U.S.-born. Almost all
the increase in economic activity goes to the illegal immigrants themselves in the form of
wages

Yada, yada, yada

 

[Milk-Drops]

Bigots means anyone who disagrees with a liberal. You know, the tolerant ones.

You tried to claim that all homosexuals work with and support pedophiles. You might get called a bigot because you are willing to spread lies just to hurt people you don't like.