Joseph of Arimathia

[jaybird]

Mat 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:

dont tell that to randy

 

[jasonc]

You can say it supports the idea that this is a different Joseph though, can't you? That and the fact that Mary was alone at the cross without her husband. Given that there was strict criteria for divorce, I don't want to even think about what Mary or Joseph could have done to lead to a divorce.

This may not be irrefutable, but it's enough for me to reject that they are the same person.

Pharisees or the sect under the rabbi hillel would have granted the divorce but it's not likely given that it would have been known who she was and her Son.

 

[Randy]

who said Jesus was the son of David?

jaybird said: ↑
i always thought it strange a direct descendant of David and Solomon, an heir to the thrown, would be living as a common person out in the country. you never see that in any other royal families.

 

[Randy]

When the soldiers crucified Jesus, they took his clothes, dividing them into four shares, one for each of them, with the undergarment remaining. This garment was seamless, woven in one piece from top to bottom.

24“Let’s not tear it,” they said to one another. “Let’s decide by lot who will get it.”

This happened that the scripture might be fulfilled that said,

“They divided my clothes among them

and cast lots for my garment.”a

So this is what the soldiers did.

psalm 22 niv

16Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they piercee my hands and my feet.
17All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.

 

[jasonc]

jaybird said: ↑
i always thought it strange a direct descendant of David and Solomon, an heir to the thrown, would be living as a common person out in the country. you never see that in any other royal families.

Because the usurper herod,and we'll in the return no king was going to reign again till shiloh came a curse by God

 

[Randy]

Mat 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:

While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42“What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”

“The son of David,” they replied.

43He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,

44“ ‘The Lord said to my Lord:

“Sit at my right hand

until I put your enemies

under your feet.” ’e

45If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?” 46No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.

THE FATHER (GODAlmighty) by his own authority and to fullfill his promise to his servant David had sworn by his own name that davids line would rule FOREVER(JESUS NEVER DIES -A PRIEST FORVEVER IN THE ORDER OF Melchizedek-not by genealogy(Father and mother), but by GODs appointment )appoints his firstborn to the line ofDAVID(appointment term -FORVER - NO END

The LORD has sworn and will not waver:

“You are a priest forever in the manner of Melchizedek.”*

Hebrew 7 goes over a need for a priest appointed by a indestructible life not by the law as in father and mother - genealogy "FORVER-no END" what priest could fulfill the needed term "FOREVER" - WHY the SON oF GOD of course who never dies

GOD appoint HIS FIRSTBORN(SON) TO THE LINE OF DAVID and fullfils his promise to his servant david
You said, “I have made a covenant with my chosen one,
I have sworn to David my servant,
4 ‘I will establish your line forever
and make your throne firm through all generations
psalm 89 niv
Once for all, I have sworn by my holiness—
and I will not lie to David—
36 that his line will continue forever
and his throne endure before me like the sun;
37 it will be established forever like the moon,
the faithful witness in the sky.”

Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God

PAUL+> JESUS IS the firstborn of all creation Col 1:15

Hebrews 1:6



john 1niv
PHILLIP to nathanael
....“We have found him of whom >Moses in the Law and also the prophets wrote, Jesus of Nazareth....= JESUS Came to fulfill THE scriptures and the many miracles testify the father was in him and HE in the Father


hebrews 1 niv
On many past occasions and in many different ways, God spoke to our fathers through the prophets. 2But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.

T

 

[Edward]

Scripture introduces Joseph of Arimathea, as if He's someone new to the picture. He wouldn't have been introduced in that way if it was the same guy who...divorced Mary.

God wouldn't let Joeseph (the Carpenter's) marriage end dishonorably in divorce when our Savior was being born. God dont roll like that.

 

[dianegcook]

I don't think he was his father, but there are apocryphal stories saying he was an uncle -- namely a great maternal uncle being the brother of Heli, Mary's father. This is why he was so bold to ask for the body of Jesus when all the disciples fled. There would be nothing wrong or deemed suspicious with a relative asking for the body of the Lord. I'm sure that the OP is familiar with these stories considering his national background. Are they true or not? I don't know, but I give far more credence to this relationship than just believing he was a righteous man out of nowhere who mustered up the courage to ask for the body of Jesus. I have a fairly detailed royal genealogy hanging on my dining room wall which actually has Joseph of Arimathea in Mary's lineage from King David's son Nathan and his descendents actually became the lineage of the house of Tutor. The rightful Messianic lineage is via Jehoiachin which is where Jesus' father Joseph came from. But that line was cursed and God allowed a bloodline for Messiah to go thru David's son Nathan while transferring the legal lineage via Joseph thus bypassing the curse--- keeping the promise of BOTH a legal and blood heir to David. Meanwhile, so that the throne would not be in abeyance, David's promise of an eternal throne was perpetuated when Zedekiah's daughter married into the Judaic lineage afar off in the Isles where we have the monarchy today. It's interesting to note the the Commonwealth nations, and by extension the United States have become Missionary and powerful nations to the world. (The recent shake-ups like Britain's Brexit and now Donald Trump is no surprise to me as I can see that in Bible prophecy). Traditionally, the Jewish people, the nations of northwest Europe, the Commonwealth and the United States have been on friendly terms despite historical rough spots. I guess blood is thicker than water.

Amen
I agree.
One had to be kin to claim the body, kinsman redeemer...
His uncle, that also believed in Him...
There are some stories of Joseph, that tell he was a tinsman.
He traveled by ship all over, selling, trading tin.
Some stories say that Jesus was with Him as a lad, traveling with him.
Not biblical though.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Amen
I agree.
One had to be kin to claim the body, kinsman redeemer...
His uncle, that also believed in Him...
There are some stories of Joseph, that tell he was a tinsman.
He traveled by ship all over, selling, trading tin.
Some stories say that Jesus was with Him as a lad, traveling with him.
Not biblical though.

It's not openly in the bible because some things were meant to be hidden and revealed later. The bible contains its record, but in a hidden fashion that few may understand. Historical legends state that Joseph took Jesus to the isles, where (some of) the 10 tribes resided but he did not preach there. He was learning and we'd say today that he took it all in. If the bible would say where those tribes were located directly, then that would make prophesies like Hosea false. If they are known then they are no longer "not my people" in other words. But prophetic passages like the Lord roaring and Ephraim will come trembling from the west is a biblical hint so that people can compare to secular history.

 

[Randy]

Scripture introduces , as if He's someone new to the picture. He wouldn't have been introduced in that way if it was the same guy who...divorced Mary.

God wouldn't let Joeseph (the Carpenter's) marriage end dishonorably in divorce when our Savior was being born. God dont roll like that.

there is nothing in scripture that suggests, directly states, or implies joe was a relative of Jesus of nazareth. Jesus was considered poor not a kid with a rich benefactor such as a uncle or relative. I think what is assumed is joseph passed away at some point before Jesus started His ministry and wasn't alive to see His adopted son crucified for no wrong doing. That Mary was a widow is a much more reasonable reason Joseph the carpenter, Mary's husband, wasn't in the picture at all. So the Lord of all had John look after her. Joseph of Arimathea came along to fulfill the prophecy that the suffering servant found in Isaiah 53 would be buried among the rich. Joseph of Arimathea was stated to be a rich man who had rich mans tomb for himself apparntedly a planner. Secretly Joseph was a believer in secret from fear of those who sat in moses seat. Joe didn't want to get kicked out of the synagogue.

RAndy

 

[jaybird]

the traditions of Jesus and James in the UK are taken pretty serious by many of those that were there. i even read that missionaries that went there said that when they got there many had already heard the gospel of Jesus. some even called it a more pure form of Christianity.

 

[Randy]

dont tell that to randy

NO because Randy read what the head of the body of christ stated about whose son is the christ. (GODS) Do you believe Jesus?
Matthew 22:42
ge·ne·al·o·gy
a line of descent traced continuously from an ancestor.
From adam to JESUS time you really think such detail was written down over that length of time and could be looked up. That such records would survive wars and all that took place over the ages. That they would have been preserved as holy scripture to prove joeseph the carpenter was a descent of david when jesus Himself argued how could the christ be davids son when david calls him lord?


(1 Timothy 1.3-4)

 

[Randy]

the traditions of Jesus and James in the UK are taken pretty serious by many of those that were there. i even read that missionaries that went there said that when they got there many had already heard the gospel of Jesus. some even called it a more pure form of Christianity.

Those of us who have received the Fathers promise KNOW by the spirit of christ in us that JESUS lives! WE don't live by traditions but by faith in Christ Jesus. We don't need to look for God or miracles for the kingdom of God is within.

 

[jaybird]

Those of us who have received the Fathers promise KNOW by the spirit of christ in us that JESUS lives! WE don't live by traditions but by faith in Christ Jesus. We don't need to look for God or miracles for the kingdom of God is within.

Fathers promise, what are you talking about?

 

[Randy]

Fathers promise, what are you talking about?

On one occasion, while Jesus was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about.

niv ACTS2
"christ in us"-the spirit Jesus sent HE received from the Father.
And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.’.
Jesus being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

 

[tim-from-pa]

there is nothing in scripture that suggests, directly states, or implies joe was a relative of Jesus of nazareth. Jesus was considered poor not a kid with a rich benefactor such as a uncle or relative......
RAndy

I would only agree with the "directly states" part of your assessment. Asking the body of the Lord is one clue. It was not deemed suspicious if he was a relative. A follower or non-relative would be suspect as we know the scripture says they most all hid. The bible mentions "the beloved disciple" and even the woman standing from afar. That's it. The rest were scared to death themselves. Jesus was a very, very controversial figure so when it ended the way they did not expect, then they all fled. So we'd need a member of the family to claim the body for burial. The women could not do it themselves. His father Joseph was probably dead at that point because of the question they asked "Is this not the carpenter's son?" would not be addressed to that way if he were alive yet.

As for being poor, that was Jesus' choice. His family, being of royal lineage, were no paupers, just as Father Abraham was not a smelly shepherd but one of the richest around. I forget where I read it but I did read it that "carpenter" was not merely someone working wood, but a tradesman overseeing others -- today it would be like having a construction business. As already stated, historical accounts state that Joseph of Arimethia was in the tin trade. Nobody was on the throne of David in the land of Israel then due to the curse of Jehoiachin where none of his sons (by whom Joseph came from) would rule in the land of Judah (this does not put an end to the throne but anyone ruling from it would not be in Judah.)

The bible is a coded book. Not everything is stated in black and white. Proof of this is when Jesus used parables to deliberately mess up those who heard him so that only the spiritually astute could understand and thus he could filter out the chosen ones the Father gave to him. The bible has gemetria codes, prophetic codes, numerical codes, parable codes, and indirect mentions that one has to put together like a puzzle. This is what makes our bible so amazing being written by 40 authors and yet even the esoteric parts (not just the openly stated parts) agree perfectly.

 

[Randy]

I would only agree with the "directly states" part of your assessment. Asking the body of the Lord is one clue. It was not deemed suspicious if he was a relative. A follower or non-relative would be suspect as we know the scripture says they most all hid. The bible mentions "the beloved disciple" and even the woman standing from afar. That's it. The rest were scared to death themselves. Jesus was a very, controversial so when it ended the way they did not expect, then they all fled. So we'd need a member of the family to claim the body for burial. The women could not do it themselves. His father Joseph was probably dead at that point because of the question they asked "Is this not the carpenter's son?" would not be addressed to that way if he were alive yet.

As for being poor, that was Jesus' choice. His family, being of royal lineage, were no paupers, just as Father Abraham was not a smelly shepherd but one of the richest around. I forget where I read it but I did read it that "carpenter" was not merely someone working wood, but a tradesman overseeing others -- today it would be like having a construction business. As already stated, historical accounts state that Joseph of Arimethia was in the tin trade. Nobody was on the throne of David in the land of Israel then due to the curse of Jehoiachin where none of his sons (by whom Joseph came from) would rule in the land of Judah (this does not put an end to the throne but anyone ruling from it would not be in Judah.)

The bible is a coded book. Not everything is stated in black and white. Proof of this is when Jesus used parables to deliberately mess up those who heard him so that only the spiritually astute could understand and thus he could filter out the chosen ones the Father gave to him. The bible has gemetria codes, prophetic codes, numerical codes, parable codes, and indirect mentions that one has to put together like a puzzle. This is what makes our bible so amazing being written by 40 authors and yet even the esoteric parts (not just the openly stated parts) agree perfectly.

Jesus used/uses truth maybe that is considered controversial not political. Which offended/offends many but that doesn't make it a lie. HE was before the world began so yes the son of god is a little unusual. Its clear to me the Son that was (his Spirit) was in the body God prepared for HIM. As Mary conceived by the holy Spirit. the criminal on the cross understtood as HE asked the "lord" to remember him when Jesus came into his kingdom. The sandhadren had the tomb guarded for they understood jesus stated he would rise again in 3 days. Even then they refused to believe the sign of jonah. their hearts were hard. Many claim ignorance but nothing is hidden from the lord. YOU are one of the very few who think jesus was affluent. HE didn't even own his own house.
"

Sacrifice and offering you did not desire—
but my ears you have openedc —=>
Hebrew;C: some Septuagint manuscripts but a body you have prepared for me
burnt offerings and sin offeringsd you did not require.
7Then I said, “Here I am, I have come—
it is written about me in the scroll.e
8I desire to do your will, my God;
your law is within my heart.”

Hebrews niv
First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

they all did fled as Jesus knew Peter said he wouldn't but we all read how the rouster crowed 3 times.
Zechariah 13:6-8 As was foretold by God "stirke the shepard that the sheep may be scattered"
"And one will say to him, 'What are these wounds between your arms?' Then he will say, 'Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.' 7"Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd, And against the man, My Associate," Declares the LORDof hosts. "Strike the Shepherd that the sheep may be scattered; And I will turn My hand against the little ones. 8"It will come about in all the land," Declares the LORD, "That two parts in it will be cut off and perish; But the third will be left in it.…

 

[jaybird]

On one occasion, while Jesus was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about.

niv ACTS2
"christ in us"-the spirit Jesus sent HE received from the Father.
And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.’.
Jesus being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

that came from the book of acts. so why do you need that book when all you need is the spirit of Christ?
those people in the UK back then didnt have bibles now thats what i call faith.

 

[tim-from-pa]

...... YOU are one of the very few who think jesus was affluent. HE didn't even own his own house.....

I never said that at all. I'm aware that Jesus had nowhere to lay his head. Please reread my post. I'm hoping you comprehend the bible better than my posts. I know I can get rather verbose, but I made that point clear enough.

 

[Randy]

I never said that at all. I'm aware that Jesus had nowhere to lay his head. Please reread my post. I'm hoping you comprehend the bible better than my posts. I know I can get rather verbose, but I made that point clear enough.

YOU made yourself clear enough and and so did GOD i read yoursuggestion that JESUs had a rich relative- - my point Joe of a was to fulfill isaiah 53:9 HE was not presented a a relative of Jesus nor was Mary ever stated to have remarried. MARY was a humble righteous women who served God.Its an error to reason remarraige into the text. can't you see that why the need?

that came from the book of acts. so why do you need that book when all you need is the spirit of Christ?
those people in the UK back then didnt have bibles now thats what i call faith.

Fathers promise, what are you talking about?

don't you think these people were on a mission to promote "truth" not lies that jesus is the Christ the Son of God "how god chose to forgive our sin so "we" would not perish" out of"love" though they had to endure hardships and abuse to hold to the testimony of Jesus. -written down for future generations that people my believe and seek Jesus for life.

i don't agree or disagree with anything based on acceptance by the many but also look at what is written. i see no reason to ponder it JOE of A is a possible relative of the LORD. JESUS overcame this world as a servant not a rich man who lived in a castle with fine robes and many servants and an army to fight for HIM - HIs kingdom is NOT of this world or HE would have had a army to fight for HIM.