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Judaism and Christianity?

I've been doing some research about how the two relate to each other. Some people say the entire Christian faith is based on Judaism, some say the two are nothing alike. What are your opinions?
 
I don't know how anyone could think they're nothing alike! My understanding is that Jews believe the old testament, but not the new testament. And obviously christians believe the whole bible.
 
Well, question answered then...Im sure there's some fundamental differences between the two though...does anyone know them?
 
The two faiths must treat their common scripture in very different ways. Christians have always found references to Jesus throughout the Hebrew Bible and I doubt Jews would read these passages in the same way. For example, Jews have always held that the suffering servant in Isaiah 53 refers to the Jewish people as a whole. I don't think they regard commonly quoted verses like Isaiah 7:14 and Micah 5:2 as Messianic prophecies either.
 
The most fundamental difference would be that Christianity recognizes Jesus as the promised Messiah, King, and Lord of the Old Testament and Judaism does not.
 
Christianity has it's roots in Judaism. Jesus Christ fulfilled all the requirements of the Old Covenant that we may have the New. Yet it is evident that that Christ was from is in the Bible from cover to cover. None could enter the Father's presence until the blood of the Lamb was applied to the mercy seat covering the Law.

Below is an example of the typology of Christ (the one way to God) in the Old Testament:

Christ revealed in the Tabernacle

When Moses was receiving the tablets with the ten commandments the children of Israel pitched camp- not just in any order but according to God's command. The Lord's instructions were to line the camp up to the compass points with the three smallest tribes to the west, the three largest to the east and three roughly equal in size were lined up to the north and the south. This would have formed a gigantic living cross for Moses to see when he came down the mountain. The furniture inside the tabernacle (located in the center of the cross) represented the only way a Hebrew could come into God's presence- this was also configured in the shape of a cross- these things signify that there is one way and one way only to enter God's presence- through the cross of Jesus Christ.It was the only meeting place between God and man- in the center of the cross. He is "the lamb slain before the foundation of the world.

At each of the compass points was one of the following Tribes:
Judah-his insignia was that of Lion
Dan-his insignia was that of eagle
Ephraim- his insignia was that of an ox
Reuben- His insignia was that of a man
These same four faces can be seen demonstrated in the four beasts who worship before God in Revelation 4:6-7 and in Ezekiel's vision 1:10
Many people parallel this to the four gospels equating :
Luke which portrayed much of Jesus humanity (man)
Mark which portrayed much of Jesus servants heart (ox)
Matthew which portrayed much of Jesus Kingship (lion)
John which portrayed much of Jesus Deity (eagle)

The Brazen Alter:
One thing is certain- the only way into the presence of God had to began with a trip to the brazen (brass or bronze is always used to signify judgment) alter- from this alter of blood sacrifice it was a straight walk to the Holy of Holy's (God's manifest presence) but there would be many other stops to make first-
the alter was large enough to contain the sacrifice and was built with a horn on each corner as the freshly slain sacrifice would need to be tied down (much like you and I ) when it was placed in the purifying fire it would spasm and flip of. Flesh is rather unruly. This alter of sacrifice was the place were the price of sin was paid and no man would ever enter into God's Holy Presence without the shedding of blood and the taking of an innocent life- this and this alone was the answer - While it was a huge and imposing sight it was also a place where the children of God would come to worship- the is a representation of our Lord's sacrifice on the cross.
Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savor.

The Brazen Laver:
The next step for a priest to enter God's presence was the brazen laver- this was thought to be a large round bowl held up an a pedestal- it was made entirely of polished brass mirrors that the women of the congregation had donated (Exodus 38:8) - it acted a a large mirror and it's purpose was for self inspection and cleansing before proceeding into more intimate proximity to God's manifest presence - while it to was brass (judgment) it was used to cleanse one who had already been forgiven thru blood sacrifice on the alter and can be compared to the sanctification of the believer:
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Eph 5:27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
The Word is were we wash and inspect our lives, it is the method of purification of God's children today.

The next step in ones journey will find you looking at two objects; the Golden Candlestick on the left hand and the Table of Shew Bread on the right.

The Golden candlestick:
Beaten out of a single piece of Gold (royalty). The candlestick contains seven (the number of perfection and completeness) branches each composed of a series of a bud, a flower and then finally the fruit (which was an Almond. Almond's are the first to bloom and produce fruit after the dead season of winter and the Hebrews often called it the awakening tree for it was always the first to manifest life. This Lamp Stand was the only light by which man could work in God's presence and represented our Lord illuminating all through the power of the Holy Spirit. This Lamp Stand would shine it's light on the next article of furniture:
Joh 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

The Table of Shew Bread:
This table was the resting place of the Shew Bread or the Hebrews know it "the bread of Presence".
This bread was placed on the Table were would spend seven (perfection) days in the inner court.
There it would be permeated by the presence of the Living God as it radiated from the Holy of Holies.
The priests would then eat this bread and be filled with the presence of God. This was communion
and both filled and empowered them for service.
This represents Jesus as the Bread of Life
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

The Alter of Incense:
The next step was the Alter of Incense- the only fire that could be used to burn incense here was to be taken directly from the brazen alter of sacrifice- the only acceptable cleansing come from Christ's sacrifice- an attempt was made by two of Aaron's sons to bring strange fire into God's presence and were slain signifying that God's provision (Jesus) was the only way in and any other way would only result in destruction and death. The brazen alter met the price of mans sin and corruption ,only it's fire could burn in the place of true worship and prayer this is symbolized in the Alter of incense:
Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

The Ark of the Covenant and the Mercy Seat:
The last piece of furniture in the tabernacle was the Ark of the Covenant- this was constructed of wood overlayed with gold- it's contents were :
Heb 9:4 Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;
This ark typified Jesus Christ who contained the law and the rod- the rule of law- He not only contained God's Holiness and glory but He is the fulfillment of it - on top of the ark was placed the mercy seat-this was constructed of pure gold- no mans work here but only the divine-there were two cherubim mounted on top facing each other with their wings touching at the top-this is were the blood of the sacrificial lamb was applied- THE MEETING PLACE BETWEEN GOD AND MAN WAS WERE THE MERCY OF GOD OVERSHADOWED THE LAW (JUDGMENT) OF GOD- as the blood was applied to the mercy seat the shekinah glory of God would appear and light the holy of holies with His glory- friends this is still the meeting place for God and man- the place were the shed blood of His Son is applied and the mercy of God covers His judgment.
Again all the furniture in the tabernacle was aligned in the shape of the cross.
This is only a quick sketch of this and I encourage anyone reading to find several good books on the subject and dig in- you will never read the old testament the same way as you will begin to see Jesus in all those scriptures!
Many blessings in His wonderful Name,
your brother Larry.

 
I read online of someone who attends both a Jewish synagogue and Christian Church and described themselves as "eclectic". It sounded interesting. Does anyone here do that? Or, what are your opinions on that?
 
A Christian cannot observe Jewish ritual unless he wishes to be judged under the Law. Paul pent a great deal of time and effort (at the direction of the Holy Spirit) making sure that Christianity was not Judaized.
 
When you say judged, do you mean where the bible says "Let anyone who takes away from this book or adds to this book be cursed"?
 
Or would it really be adding to the book, seeing as the Hebrew bible is our Old Testament? :chin I can definately see how observing either religion while committed to the other could be seen as a problem by both religions, however I can also see the view point that observing both could bring one closer to God. I've still got soooo much to learn :study
 
essentials said:
I've been doing some research about how the two relate to each other. Some people say the entire Christian faith is based on Judaism, some say the two are nothing alike. What are your opinions?
We are a Grafted Branch into Judaism. Before people were called Christian they were called converts to Judaism.
 
Jews only believe in the Old Testemant, or convenant witth God, which is not including Jesus. Christians believe that the prophesies in the OT directly point to the NT, the new covenant with God, and Christians have Jesus as their saviour and Lord.

Jews, like all non-Christians are servents of the Law, while Christians are servents of Christ Jesus, and realaise that Jesus came to fulfill the Law.
 
essentials said:
Or would it really be adding to the book, seeing as the Hebrew bible is our Old Testament? :chin I can definately see how observing either religion while committed to the other could be seen as a problem by both religions, however I can also see the view point that observing both could bring one closer to God. I've still got soooo much to learn :study

If you read the book of Romans, you will see that Paul stressed to the "nth" degree that salvation in the OT was always by faith and not by works. God gave the Israelites the Law to so that they would realize that no matter what they did, they would still fall short of perfection and sin. Even Paul, who observed everything knew that he was a sinner. It wasn't until a person realized this and threw himself at the mercy of God, trusting in Him to provide righteousness for them, that they were saved. Paul explained that the Jews, because they were so tangled up in the Law, had made salvation into a formula of works. There was a remnant of them who understood the faith issue, and were saved, but the majority didn't get it.

Now, if you read some of David's psalms, especially Ps. 51, you will see that first, a person has to come to God in faith. THEN, and only then, does God accept our worship and offerings. It makes no sense at all to observe the Law if one is not doing it to the Lord in worship. I see no problem with incorporating some aspects of the Law into one's life, as long as it's for the purpose of worship and not legalism. For instance, if someone felt like they wanted to set aside Friday nights and Saturday as a Sabbath to the Lord for the purpose of spending time with Him and worshiping, and in preparation for church on Sunday, I see no problem with that. It is when these things become required that they no longer are worship, and are worthless.

I'm not sure if this answers your question above or not, but my point is this: That if you felt that it would be more meaningful for you to attend a synagogue as well as a good, Bible-based church, there should be no problem with that AS LONG AS you understand that any ritual they teach or the things they observe were never meant to save. They are wonderful for worship as they shed light on the prophecies of Christ throughout the OT, and may truly bless you and help you in your understanding of Christ. But if it becomes a stumbling block of legalism, then it is damaging.
 
I'm not fight your beliefs.
I just want to share to you what I have learned.
I'm not trying to convert you to another religion.
I'm not adding another religion on the 30,000.
Research what I have shared to you, so you can see it for yourselves.

Torah is a hebrew word, it was translated as Nomos in Greek, to English being LAW.

Moreover, Torah is Instructions, Hobbies, Teachings, and Hit the Mark.

Torah is to hit the mark, its root word is Yarah, use in archery, meaning to hit the mark, the opposite is true, when we don't do the Torah, we are missing the mark.

Its not making us under the Law, its making us free from sins and its curses, like in

Joh 8:32 you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

The truth is the Torah, Yeshua (Jesus) Obeyed the Torah, how can He be the Messiah if He didn't do what was G-d's will, how can Yeshua, be the spotless lamb? We are set apart from sin because of the Torah, moreover no one except G-d perfects the Torah.

What is the Torah? Where can it be found?

Actually, we have been reading it, moreover we don't always understand it. Torah is equals Bible.

B-Basic

I-Instructions

B-Before

L-Leaving

E-Earth

Every instructions in the Bible is G-d's words.

Yeah, we are under the era of Grace yada yada yada...

Moreover, is that what the Holy Writings says?

Heb 10:28 Anyone who disobeys the Torah of Moses is put to death without any mercy when judged guilty from the evidence of two or more witnesses.

Heb 10:29 What, then, of those who despise the Son of God? who treat as a cheap thing the blood of God's covenant which purified them from sin? who insult the Spirit of grace? Just think how much worse is the punishment they will deserve!

We better rethink the concept of Grace.

Yeshua (Jesus) said:

Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to do away with the Torah of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, moreover to make their teachings come true.

Mat 5:18 Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Torah will be done away with---not until the end of all things.

Mat 5:19 So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Torah and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven.

The Torah is the foundation in G-d's Kingdom.

Keeping the Torah is not to be save, Keeping the Torah because you are already saved.

The Torah tells us the right things to do.

If we remove the Torah, we actually have killed ourselves.

The Torah is our personality, we cannot live w/o it.

I'm very certain about that.

The Torah is not only for the Jews.

Exo 12:17 Keep this festival, because it was on this day that I brought your tribes out of Egypt. For all time to come you must celebrate this day as a festival.

Exo 12:18 From the evening of the fourteenth day of the first month to the evening of the twenty-first day, you must not eat any bread made with yeast.

Exo 12:19 For seven days no yeast must be found in your houses, for if anyone, native-born or FOREIGN, eats bread made with yeast, he shall no longer be considered one of my people."

G-d mentions the Foreign peoples being part of G-d's appointented times.

The Feast of G-d.

Exo 12:36 And the LORD gave the people favour in the sight of the Egyptians, so that they let them have what they asked. And they despoiled the Egyptians.

Exo 12:37 And the children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand men on foot, beside children.

Exo 12:38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.

see? a mixed multitude went w/ the Isralites, so everybody can be grafted in w/ Israel, we should treasure that the G-d we know, worship, obey and praise.

Is the G-d of Israel.

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Messiah Yeshua hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Yeshua, has paid for the our sins. He didn't freed us from the Torah.

Treasure this:

Mat 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to do away with the Torah of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, moreover to make their teachings come true.

Mat 5:18 Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Torah will be done away with---not until the end of all things.

And why would David, write so many beautiful poetry and songs for the LAW?
If it is a ugly thing. Read the whole Psalm 119.
 
Boanerges said:
A Christian cannot observe Jewish ritual unless he wishes to be judged under the Law. Paul pent a great deal of time and effort (at the direction of the Holy Spirit) making sure that Christianity was not Judaized.
Jewish ritual ended at the cross and has no application to the Christian. Therefore, your concerns are moot.

"sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4 Therefore, it is the law of God, or ten commandments, that effectually point out our sins and judges us sinners.

"So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty" (James 2:12).
 
essentials said:
I've been doing some research about how the two relate to each other. Some people say the entire Christian faith is based on Judaism, some say the two are nothing alike. What are your opinions?
It is imperative to learn what an "Israelite" is, or what Israel is. It has never and will never be a physical thing. The "chosen people" misunderstood that more than anyone else, because they long lost sight of what they were chosen for.
 
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