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Out of curiosity, what is the deal with their history?

And why does it matter?

Our own government recognizes DNA difference of the Khazars

Identical MHC markers in non-Jewish Iranian and As... [Hum Immunol. 1997] - PubMed result

Identical MHC markers in non-Jewish Iranian and Ashkenazi Jewish patients with pemphigus vulgaris: possible common central Asian ancestral origin.
Mobini N, Yunis EJ, Alper CA, Yunis JJ, Delgado JC, Yunis DE, Firooz A, Dowlati Y, Bahar K, Gregersen PK, Ahmed AR.
Source

Department of Oral Medicine, Harvard School of Dental Medicine, Boston, MA 02115, USA.
Abstract

Previous studies showed that almost all Ashkenazi Jewish patients with pemphigus vulgaris carried the extended haplotype [HLA-B38, SC21, DRB1*0402, DQB1*0302] or [HLA-B35, SC31, DRB1*0402, DQB1*0302] or class II fragments of them. Non-Jewish patients carried [HLA-B55, SB45, DRB1*1401, DQB1*0503] or its class II fragments. In the present study of 20 Iranian patients with pemphigus vulgaris, 17 were found to carry DRB1*0402, DQB1*0302 haplotypes, also found among normal Iranian haplotypes and the same as that of the Jews. These findings suggest that the pemphigus MHC susceptibility gene among Iranians derived from the same ancestor as that in the Ashkenazim. The ancient Jews were under Persian domination from 500 B.C. until 300 B.C. and in the 8th century A.D., a Tataric people living in the kingdom of Khazar on the Western shore of the Caspian Sea and the Northern shore of the Black Sea, near Persia, converted to Judaism, providing possible opportunities for gene mixing in two populations that are distinct and separate today.
 
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Being i am first Christian and then a political conservative i know it is very naive of me to assume all christians are conservative.

One of the damnable things i see with the political liberals is the divisions they force in the human race.

For years i have declined to put a check in the little box about race. I check other and write in AMERICAN. My puny stand against racism..

Here i am at a Christian forum and division of races is all around....

I well remember singing
Jesus loves the little children ,
all the children of the world ,
red and yellow black and white
they are precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world..
 
reba said:
Being i am first Christian and then a political conservative i know it is very naive of me to assume all christians are conservative.

One of the damnable things i see with the political liberals is the divisions they force in the human race.

For years i have declined to put a check in the little box about race. I check other and write in AMERICAN. My puny stand against racism..

Here i am at a Christian forum and division of races is all around....

I well remember singing
Jesus loves the little children ,
all the children of the world ,
red and yellow black and white
they are precious in His sight
Jesus loves the little children of the world..
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Heya Reba,
That's my point by making the post. "why does it matter?"

I've seen posts seemingly wanting to stifle any mention of this info.
Make it out that this might hurt feelings or become a salvation issue.
Insinuations if one discusses it they are a hater.

I know full well by the totality of my posts on the four boards I post on show clearly what I believe & stand for. I use the avatar name Tonka Tim on those four boards & my youtube channel. I know the clarity on my tenets makes me a good candidate to broach this subject.

I've pointed out through scripture clearly that the hebrew people are a mixed people starting in Genesis:

TonkaTim said:
From from the Book of Genesis we see the "mixing" of Israel starting in chapter 34 with the of the Patriarchs sister Dinah, when Israel's sons reneg on their deal with Shechem son of Hamor the Hivite, killed all the males & took all the Shechemites females, women, children & belongings as plunder for their own. We see more mixed through Joseph when cut off in Egypt has Ephraim & Manneseh by Aseneth an Egyptian (Gen41:50). Moses married & had children by Zipporah a Midian, more "mixed"(Exodus2:21-22), Plus in Numbers 12 1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman, which means Moses' wife & children could quite possibly be black. In Exodus 12:38 And a mixed multitude went up also with them;, more mixing. In the book of Numbers 31 we find that Hebrews in war against the Midianites(the same people Moses' wife & father-in-law were from), where they repeat what the patriachs had done, killed alll the males, 8 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. In the Book of Ruth we find more "mixing". Ruth was a Moabite. Ruth became the wife of Boaz, the mother of Obed, the grandmother of Jesse, the great-grandmother of David, an honored matriarch in the line of Jesus. Israel was never a pure race, nor was it ever meant to be, it was chosen to serve the purposes of God.
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I pointed out in the same post if we're dealing with the synagogue of satan it is not about race, but what one believes, not racial seed of satan, but spiritual seed.
TonkaTim said:
Since we know we must be born again of Spirit to enter the kingdom of God {John 3}, could not Cain be symbolic of those in rebellion against God's Truth. Spiritually dead because they refuse the Truth? Which leads us to the Synagogue of Satan {Revelation 2:9 & 3:9} Is this about race or unbelief & rebellion due to being trapped in the "leaven of the pharisees". Remember what Christ said in John 8:44
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I pointed specifically to John 8 for a reason. In John 8:44 Jesus says 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. This proves that synagogue of satan is spiritual. Because in the same conversation with the pharisee priests Jesus says 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed;. We know Abraham was not satan or evil. He was a faithful gentile from the land of Ur who loved God purely. God's friend. Proving it is about the heart, not about race.

So I ask again regarding the Khazars - Why does it matter?
Its just part of history.
Genetics doesn't make people evil.
Its what is in our hearts that does.
 
while its true that some jews did breed with others and the khazars did convert, the problem jews have with this is that is used by the kkk and neo nazis and has been disproven. jews know what they are, but the khazari conspiracy isnt what you say it is.

here link one for the readers.

Does our library know there's another word for anti-Semitism?

you say genetics has disproven or proven this?

all jews are said to be from here and in my search its ashakenazi(german jews that did die in the holocaust)
http://www.redstate.com/barrypopik/...rom-700-1000-ad-who-never-lived-in-palestine/
 
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TonkaTim said:
Out of curiosity, what is the deal with their history?

And why does it matter?

Our own government recognizes DNA difference of the Khazars

Identical MHC markers in non-Jewish Iranian and As... [Hum Immunol. 1997] - PubMed result

Identical MHC markers in non-Jewish Iranian and Ashkenazi Jewish patients with pemphigus vulgaris: possible common central Asian ancestral origin.
Mobini N, Yunis EJ, Alper CA, Yunis JJ, Delgado JC, Yunis DE, Firooz A, Dowlati Y, Bahar K, Gregersen PK, Ahmed AR.
Source

Department of Oral Medicine, Harvard School of Dental Medicine, Boston, MA 02115, USA.
Abstract

Previous studies showed that almost all Ashkenazi Jewish patients with pemphigus vulgaris carried the extended haplotype [HLA-B38, SC21, DRB1*0402, DQB1*0302] or [HLA-B35, SC31, DRB1*0402, DQB1*0302] or class II fragments of them. Non-Jewish patients carried [HLA-B55, SB45, DRB1*1401, DQB1*0503] or its class II fragments. In the present study of 20 Iranian patients with pemphigus vulgaris, 17 were found to carry DRB1*0402, DQB1*0302 haplotypes, also found among normal Iranian haplotypes and the same as that of the Jews. These findings suggest that the pemphigus MHC susceptibility gene among Iranians derived from the same ancestor as that in the Ashkenazim. The ancient Jews were under Persian domination from 500 B.C. until 300 B.C. and in the 8th century A.D., a Tataric people living in the kingdom of Khazar on the Western shore of the Caspian Sea and the Northern shore of the Black Sea, near Persia, converted to Judaism, providing possible opportunities for gene mixing in two populations that are distinct and separate today.
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funny two distinct populations! meaning jews that are real. and the others that just khazars and never were jews and are iranian and neither are in isreal. funny how that water is muddied.
 
TonkaTim said:
Jason,

Did you read my reply to Reba?
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i read it and dont buy it.

why? because it assumes and is used in vague by those that push this as saying its a spirit? well duh that is the antichrist and he is mention in john before the book of revalation.

saying a group of khazars are nothing but genes and makes neither good nor bad isnt how its pushed.

all jews that have power, that are bankers and so on so forth are evil. i know the game its real old. dates back to hitler. interesting when you read up on this.i dont think you know what this does to me a man of jewish accent so why bother pushing this?

what does it matter that the nwo is in? what is the christian going to do? either die or be delivered. killing or hating the jews that arent jews but own the world isnt going to change this problem we have. do you really think that with guns and knowlegde you can win the war with the ac?

i know of bad jews, and etc but sir this isnt how the pushers of it say it. its vague.

and i neither think at present you are anti-semitic. i will be observing from now on
 
jasoncran said:
i read it and dont buy it.

why? because it assumes and is used in vague by those that push this as saying its a spirit? well duh that is the antichrist and he is mention in john before the book of revalation.

saying a group of khazars are nothing but genes and makes neither good nor bad isnt how its pushed.

all jews that have power, that are bankers and so on so forth are evil. i know the game its real old. dates back to hitler. interesting when you read up on this.i dont think you know what this does to me a man of jewish accent so why bother pushing this?

what does it matter that the nwo is in? what is the christian going to do? either die or be delivered. killing or hating the jews that arent jews but own the world isnt going to change this problem we have. do you really think that with guns and knowlegde you can win the war with the ac?

i know of bad jews, and etc but sir this isnt how the pushers of it say it. its vague.

and i neither think at present you are anti-semitic. i will be observing from now on
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And now you bear false witness against me.

You illustrate my point & purpose of this post to expose the extremism & unreasonable attitudes on both sides.

You tell me I am an anti-semite because I quote what Jesus said.

The scriptures I quoted are ALL red lettered words, the words of Christ.

That is how I make the connection that evil is what is in the heart. It is what Jesus teaches.

Shame on you.
 
read what i said. i said that i have read up on what the khazarian conspiracies is and said clearly very clearly neither at this time do i think you are anti-semitic, but i will be observing.

the khazar that alex jones and other push goes like this.

the khazars in power are all fake jews and got isreal in power and are responsible for all that is wrong. they are the illumnati(funny our nation was masonic founded in many ways and you know this.look at the dollar bill and you have evidence and the layout of washington d.c.)

when i hear of the khazars its jews that arent jews and all jews arent real but they flip-flop so much that it said to make you think they they arent saying a jew but they are!

that is the reason i get upset. i havent seen you push this here and wasnt stating you are pushing this. you wondered why i posted alex jones on the khazars on another thread and posted this. i then responded to why i dont buy that the khazari conspiracy isnt new or just gene thing but a totally anti-semite thing and posted evidence, i neither said in any terms you are.i made that clear.
 
Well Tonka if it doesn't matter why bother to post on it? (Not a flippant question)

For some reason it has some barring on your thoughts. Why ever, if it doesn't matter, do i see from your posts an acceptance of alex jones. These things go hand in hand.

Jesus didn't tell those guys they were of the father satan because of their nationality but because their ways.

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
 
reba said:
Tonka said

jason said.
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Reba, it is obviously implied, or the need to be "observing" me would be unnecessary. The accusation of "the khazari conspiracy isnt what you say it is." would not have been stated. Plus more conspiracy accusations "all jews that have power, that are bankers and so on so forth are evil. i know the game its real old. dates back to hitler. interesting when you read up on this.i dont think you know what this does to me a man of jewish accent so why bother pushing this?" The implications from this article he linked Does our library know there's another word for anti-Semitism? condemns those who say the word Khazar.

From the start when asked if my reply to you was read - "i read it and dont buy it."

Not only false witness attempting to link me to the haters, but flat out calls me a liar - "i read it and dont buy it."


Reba, I'm sorry you've been pulled into this.

Extremist convict themselves by their own words.
 
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reba said:
Well Tonka if it doesn't matter why bother to post on it? (Not a flippant question)

For some reason it has some barring on your thoughts. Why ever, if it doesn't matter, do i see from your posts an acceptance of alex jones. These things go hand in hand.

Jesus didn't tell those guys they were of the father satan because of their nationality but because their ways.

Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
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on that note tim lets forget what i posted in response and get to the crux of this if you may.

revalation 3:9 who is the jew that isnt a jew and how can that be a spirit? there is a spirit that the jews that are into judaism and all those that dont accept christ operate in.

1 john 2:18. and in also like manner ALL sinners work in this manner. ephesians 2:2

and note all means rich and poor.
do you agree?
 
Extremist convict themselves by their own words.
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Yes i agree they surly do.... What you have done is a line your self with and extremist Alex Jones.. Your excited approval of Alex Jones now has your words tainted with his rhetoric.
 
TonkaTim said:
Reba, it is obviously implied, or the need to be "observing" me would be unnecessary. The accusation of "the khazari conspiracy isnt what you say it is." would not have been stated. Plus more conspiracy accusations "all jews that have power, that are bankers and so on so forth are evil. i know the game its real old. dates back to hitler. interesting when you read up on this.i dont think you know what this does to me a man of jewish accent so why bother pushing this?" The implications from this article he linked Does our library know there's another word for anti-Semitism? condemns those who say the word Khazar.

From the start when asked if my reply to you was read - "i read it and dont buy it."

Not only false witness attempting to link me to the haters, but flat out calls me a liar - "i read it and dont buy it."


Reba, I'm sorry you've been pulled into this.

Extremist convict themselves by their own words.
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well what you think if you had family killed by hitler?

and i then said oh they werent real jews. well then. what do you want? me to say i'm khazari as its interchanged. i wasnt interesting in offending you and heres proof.

"i read it and dont buy it.

why? because it assumes and is used in vague by those that push this as saying its a spirit? well duh that is the antichrist and he is mention in john before the book of revalation.

saying a group of khazars are nothing but genes and makes neither good nor bad isnt how its pushed."

please quote that with this.i made it clear and reba saw this. and to be even more clear when you say it doesnt matter about using khazar then why wouldnt i adress how its used?and i posted links to how and where the khazarian conspiracies are used and origins.

and fyi i'm neither a rich jew nor have been in isreal. only have kin that i havent met.i am fully american.
 
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