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Bible Study Kingdom of God

gila said:
Yes, God is letting satan control the earth until Jesus returns. This is very well known biblical fact. I am sure your pastor can explain with the verses. Good example is in the book of Job and the temptations Satan challenged to Jesus in NT.
Sorry... my pastor and I both disagree with you... but thanks for your help.
 
Scott1 said:
gila said:
Yes, God is letting satan control the earth until Jesus returns. This is very well known biblical fact. I am sure your pastor can explain with the verses. Good example is in the book of Job and the temptations Satan challenged to Jesus in NT.
Sorry... my pastor and I both disagree with you... but thanks for your help.

Satan is in charge of this world. That's why we have such disastrous living conditions, such us violence, injustice, diseases, prejuidices, killing, wars and etc... If God is in charge, this will not happen.

Come Lord Jesus!!!!!!
 
Disastrous conditions are caused by man's sin, not Satan. Satan control's nothing except those who let him control them. Jesus bound Satan and has wrought victory over death.
 
Following the creation of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden at the end of the sixth creative day, everything was perfect; no flaw at all, for Genesis 1:31 says: "After that God saw everything he had made and look ! it was very good. And there came to be evening and there came to be morning, a sixth day." However, rebellion broke out, with Eve giving ear to the "original serpent", Satan the Devil and then Adam listening to his wife's voice by eating from the "tree of knowledge of good and bad".(Gen 3:6,7; Rev 12:9)

Now, there was a flaw in God's creative handiwork, a flaw that has wreaked havoc upon all of mankind, bringing death.(Rom 5:12; Isa 25:7,8) How did God respond ? He purposed to make a provision for the forgiveness of sins through Christ Jesus.(Rom 5:8) God also established a governmental arrangement to manage the crisis. This arrangement is called "the kingdom of God". It is set up as a subsidiary of God's universal rulership and has a specific purpose.(Dan 2:44,45)

Jesus taught his followers: "You must pray, then, this way: 'Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon the earth.' "(Matt 6:9,10) This prayer, known to many as the Our Father, or the Lord's Prayer, explains the purpose of God's kingdom. By means of God's kingdom, God's name, which is Jehovah, will be hallowed or sanctified - cleansed of all reproach that has been heaped upon it.(Ps 83:18)

Also, in order for God's "will (to) take place, as in heaven, also upon the earth", what is it that God's kingdom must restore ? The relationship between God and humans that Adam lost as a "son of God".(Luke 3:38) The kingdom will also serve to establish a paradise on the earth in which "meek" ones, subjects of God's kingdom, can enjoy an "abundance of peace".(Ps 37:11, 29; Matt 5:5) Thus, God's kingdom will undo all the damage done by the original sin of Adam and will make God's loving purpose for the earth a reality.(Rev 21:3,4) This kingdom and what it will accomplish is, in fact, the main message of the Bible. But what is God's kingdom ?

At Isaiah 9:6, it says of Jesus, that "the government shall be upon his shoulder".(King James Bible) God's kingdom is a real government that has great power, with Jesus as it's king. At Daniel 2:44, we are given a glimpse of it's power: "The God of heaven will set up a kingdom that.....will crush and put an end to all [human] kingdoms." Hence, it will permanently remove all human governments from the earth. Moreover, in contrast to human governments that come and go over the course of human history, God's kingdom "will never be brought to ruin."

In a "dream and visions" given to Daniel, he beholds "someone like a son of man" who gains access to the "Ancient of Days", God. He then receives lasting "rulership and dignity and kingdom".(Dan 7:13,14) This "son of man" is none other than Jesus Christ - the Messiah. God designated his own Son, Jesus, to be King of his "kingdom". When before the Pharisees, he told them that "the kingdom of God is in your midst".(Luke 17:21) What did this mean ? That he, as the future King of God's kingdom, was among them.

In addition, at Daniel 7, associate kings are brought to light, saying that "the kingdom and the rulership....were given to the people who are the holy ones".(Dan 7:27) Hence, Jesus does not rule alone. The apostle John saw this, saying that with Jesus' shed blood, he "bought persons for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth."(Rev 5:9,10)

At Revelation 14:1-3, John wrote: "I saw and look ! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand....who have been bought from the earth." Who is the Lamb spoken of here ? John the Baptizer identified Jesus as the "Lamb of God".(John 1:29) Mount Zion refers to heaven, for the apostle Paul wrote to the Hebrews that "you have approached a Mount Zion, and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem."(Heb 12:22) Thus, Jesus, along with the 144,000 chosen or "holy ones", rule from heaven. Since heaven is it's seat, "the kingdom of God" is also called "the kingdom of the heavens".(Luke 8:10; Matt 13:11) No weapons, not even nuclear attacks, can reach and topple that heavenly government. It is unconquerable and will fulfill God's purpose for it.(Heb 12:28; Isa 55:10,11)

God's kingdom has laws and principles from God that govern it. Rather than unfairly restrict us, they benefit us.(Ps 19:7-11) Many are already benefiting from living by God's righteous requirements. For example, heeding the Bible's counsel to husbands, wives, and children improves our family life.(Eph 5:33-6:3) When we obey the command to 'clothe ourselves with love', our relationship with others improves.(Col 3:13,14) As we live by Scriptural principles, we also cultivate good work habits and a balanced view of money.(Prov 13:4; 1 Tim 6:9,10) Avoiding drunkeness, sexual immorality, tobacco, and addictive drugs helps one to safeguard their health.(Prov 7:21-23; 23:29,30; 2 Cor 7:1)

At Daniel 2:44, God had a "definite time" in which to "set up" his "kingdom", for it to go into operation, during the "days of those kings", which is our time period, human governments that would be existing as the "feet and the toes" of the "immense image", that are "partly of molded clay and partly of iron".(Dan 2:41-43) According to Daniel 7:22, there is a "definite time"("the stated-time", online Scripture4all interlinear) that the "holy ones took possession of the kingdom itself." The apostle Paul said that those "holy ones", "those that belong to Christ", would rule with Jesus as "kings and priests,(Rev 1:6) upon their resurrection to heavenly life during Jesus "presence" (1 Cor 15:23, 1 Thess 2:1, Greek parousia, not "coming" as in many Bibles).

This only touches the "tip of the iceberg" concerning God's kingdom. There is much more.
 
I basically agree with Timf and also with Bick's points as well.

The Kingdom of God is both literal here on this Earth and Spiritual. One day Jesus will come to claim this throne of David. In that respect, I am into Israelogy and Davidic Covenants as this is an earthly throne. So I do embrace the nationalistic (Hebraic) interpretation as such.

However, for those who insist that the Kingdom is "within our hearts", I do not deny that, but the Millennial Kingdom is where the spiritual and what is seen (the physical) will come together. There's a problem when a person leans to one extreme or the other and not acknowledge both sides of the coin. Being too spiritual denies the earthly component in God's plan, but we don't want to merely assert this is a political Kingdom only either. Atheists that want empirical evidence for God will get all they want in this age. Israel will have her Messiah. And the church are the firstfruits and called out ones to rule and reign with Christ---- involves physical and spiritual together.
 
Scott1 said:
gila said:
Yes, God is letting satan control the earth until Jesus returns. This is very well known biblical fact. I am sure your pastor can explain with the verses. Good example is in the book of Job and the temptations Satan challenged to Jesus in NT.
Sorry... my pastor and I both disagree with you... but thanks for your help.

Scott - Scripture tells us that Satan deceives the whole earth. You and your pastor can disagree if you like but it doesn't make you exempt. Hell and death have been defeated but not so Satan. He still seeks to devour like roaring lion and to deceive as an angel of light.
 
mutzrein said:
Scott - Scripture tells us that Satan deceives the whole earth. You and your pastor can disagree if you like but it doesn't make you exempt. Hell and death have been defeated but not so Satan. He still seeks to devour like roaring lion and to deceive as an angel of light.
I don't deny Satan's influence on the world... but Jesus Christ controls MY world and my life... your results may vary... and I appreciate you lookin' out for me.... God bless you!

In Christ,
S
 
Scott1 said:
mutzrein said:
Scott - Scripture tells us that Satan deceives the whole earth. You and your pastor can disagree if you like but it doesn't make you exempt. Hell and death have been defeated but not so Satan. He still seeks to devour like roaring lion and to deceive as an angel of light.
I don't deny Satan's influence on the world... but Jesus Christ controls MY world and my life... your results may vary... and I appreciate you lookin' out for me.... God bless you!

In Christ,
S

No worries. So you are not subject to temptation? I don't know one man or woman who isn't AND who has not given in to it at some point or other.

Blessings
 
While I appreciate everyones comments, I would like to remind all who participate that this is the Bible Study Forum.

It has been my general experience that when people come together to study the Bible, it takes on a particular flavor where one studies what scripture actually says about a particular topic. This generally occurs by submitting various scripture and performing, or at least attempting to perform a hermeneutiacal exegesis of the particular scriptures with the goal of redacting said scriptures.

In the spririt of Bible study, I would ask that this format at least be loosely followed.

Peace
 
The Kingdom of God is both literal here on this Earth and Spiritual. One day Jesus will come to claim this throne of David. In that respect, I am into Israelogy and Davidic Covenants as this is an earthly throne. So I do embrace the nationalistic (Hebraic) interpretation as such.

I agree about providing scripture. My previous post made the above assertion, and then I merely elaborated on it in the next paragraph. Here's the Scripture:

2 Samuel 7:11-16: And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house. And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.


Psalm 89:3-4: I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant,
Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah.


Then it was prophesied of Jesus In Luke 1:32-33: He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob [an actual earthly family] for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Zechariah 14:9: And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Revelation 20:4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

And there are more scripture to support an earthly reign. As for the spiritual part:

Jeremiah 31:31-35: Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:


That takes care of spiritual salvation and the Kingdom in the heart as well.

That's enough space taken for now, but you get the idea.
 
Many have the viewpoint that the "kingdom" is "within you", due to the rendering of Luke 17:21 in the King James Bible and have felt that Jesus meant that the kingdom of God reigns in the hearts of God's servants. But, to whom was Jesus speaking there ? Could the "kingdom of God" be within the Pharisees, who were Jesus enemies ? In a word, No. The Emphatic Diaglott (1864), by Benjamin Wilson, in the interlinear reading at Luke 17:21, says "in the midst of you".

Commenting on this text, The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible observes: “Although frequently cited as an example of Jesus’ ‘mysticism’ or ‘inwardness,’ this interpretation rests chiefly upon the old translation, ‘within you,’ [KJ, Dy] understood in the unfortunate modern sense of ‘you’ as singular; the ‘you’ ([hy·mon´]) is plural (Jesus is addressing the Phariseesâ€â€vs. 20) . . . The theory that the kingdom of God is an inner state of mind, or of personal salvation, runs counter to the context of this verse, and also to the whole NT presentation of the idea.†(Edited by G. A. Buttrick, 1962, Vol. 2, p. 883) Since “kingdom [Greek ba·si·lei´a]†can refer to “royal dignity,†it is evident that Jesus meant that he, God’s royal representative, the one anointed by God for the kingship, was in their midst.

In addition, the Pharisees had asked Jesus "when the kingdom of God was coming". How did Jesus respond ? He said that "the kingdom of God is not coming with striking observableness". Thus, these religious leaders had asked concerning the future "coming" of God's kingdom, with him telling these that it would not come with "striking observableness", the world being unaware when Jesus came into kingdom power. Also, these religious leaders also did not discern that Jesus as the long promised Messiah was in their "midst" and was king-designate of God's kingdom, awaiting the fulfillment of Psalms 110.

At Psalms 110:1, it says: "The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet". Jesus identified himself as the "Lord" spoken of at Psalms 110, when he questioned the Pharisees and further said that he would have to wait "until (God) place(d) your enemies as a stool for your feet."(Matt 22:42-45) Further revealing what Jesus was to do, Psalms 110:2 says: "The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, saying: "Go subduing in the midst of your enemies."

Thus, he 'sat at God's right hand', until God gave the command for Jesus to go conquering, not his enemies, but in the "midst of his enemies". What would this mean ? That no longer was Jesus, in effect, at God's "right hand",(Ps 110:5) waiting, but that he received what was promised to him for his loyalty till death and that he would shepherd his "brothers" (Heb 2:17; Matt 25:34-40) and their companions,(Rev 7:9-14; John 10:16) helping each to achieve the conquest of faith. Unseen to human eyes, (Dan 7:13) Jesus received "rulership and dignity and kingdom" from his Father, Jehovah God.(Dan 7:13,14) When did Jesus receive the "rulership and dignity and kingdom" ?

At Revelation 6:2, there is seen a rider upon a "white horse" who receives a "crown" and he has a "bow". He goes "forth conquering and to complete his conquest". Thus, Jesus has now been crowned king of God's kingdom. Immediately following his ascension to the throne, another rider on a fiery-colored horse appears, and "to the one seated on it there was granted to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another; and a great sword was given him."(Rev 6:4) When, for the first time in human history has the entire earth been at war, whereby ' peace was taken away from the earth ' ? In 1914, with the outbreak of World War I. Hence, Jesus received "rulership and dignity and kingdom" in 1914, with global war closely following. At this time, Satan was also cast out of heaven, causing "woe for the earth".(Rev 12:7-12) The "kingdom" was now in operation, having been "born",(Rev 12:5) with now his Father placing his enemies "as a stool for his feet".(Ps 110:1)

Two other riders on horses, a pale horse, representing famine and a black horse, that pictured hades or the common grave of mankind, followed closely the rider of the fiery-colored horse. Hence, with Jesus installment as king, there arose on the earth a war of such proportions that had never been seen before, whereby an estimated 13 million died over the course 1914-18 in World War I.

This heavenly government, under Jesus direction, has since been "subduing in the midst of (his) enemies". It is what we pray for,(Matt 6:9,10) for God's will for this earth to be restored to a Paradise, by means of God's kingdom. Soon, though, it will remove all human governments from the earth.(Ps 2:8,9; Dan 2:44)
 
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