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[netchaplain]

But he is not and cannot be saved until he repents, you admitted such yourself when you answered "no' to my question.

I agree, but repentance and confession is at the time of faith, and is what I meant by knowing faith, repentance and confession at the same time. One can claim to have faith but without the other two is not faith, because they are all inseperble.

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

I agree, but repentance and confession is at the time of faith, and is what I meant by knowing faith, repentance and confession at the same time. One can claim to have faith but without the other two is not faith, because they are all inseperble.

A saving faith includes repentance and confession else it is a dead worthless faith making faith inseparable from repentance and confession. You said yourself they are are inseparable. So I am at a complete loss from those that claim "belief only" saves, that is, a belief SEPARATED from repentance and confession saves.

 

[netchaplain]

A saving faith includes repentance and confession else it is a dead worthless faith making faith inseparable from repentance and confession. You said yourself they are are inseparable. So I am at a complete loss from those that claim "belief only" saves, that is, a belief SEPARATED from repentance and confession saves.

Faith is never alone, because the purpose of it is to manifest God via the fruit of the Spirit (good works). James wrote about hypocrisy, that "A man may say" he has faith, but the absence of what it produces (good works) proves there is no faith, same as saying a non-existent faith, or "dead faith" (2:17,18). Faith never fails and eventually produces.

 

[JLB]

Faith is never alone, because the purpose of it is to manifest God via the fruit of the Spirit (good works). James wrote about hypocrisy, that "A man may say" he has faith, but the absence of what it produces (good works) proves there is no faith, same as saying a non-existent faith, or "dead faith" (2:17,18). Faith never fails and eventually produces.

Faith must have the corresponding action of obedience in order
to activate it (make t alive) otherwise it remains dormant or dead, and incomplete, unable to produce the intended divine result, just as a body without a spirit is incomplete and dead.


The action of obedience in response to the Gospel is to confess Jesus as Lord. By this confessing of repentance faith is activated to produce the divine result of salvation.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10

• and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The entire book of Romans is contextually encased in this principle of faith called; the obedience of faith.



But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: Romans 16:26



JLB

 

[netchaplain]

Faith must have the corresponding action of obedience in order
to activate it (make t alive) otherwise it remains dormant or dead, and incomplete, unable to produce the intended divine result, just as a body without a spirit is incomplete and dead.

Faith is the first response of man for grace to be transferred "through" (Eph 2:8), and faith accesses "everything that pertains to life and godliness" (2Pe 1:1, 3). It requires the rest of our life to learn to apply and walk in all this, but it's not life and godliness that saves. It's grace that saves, and faith that receives it!

 

[Ernest T. Bass]

Faith is never alone, because the purpose of it is to manifest God via the fruit of the Spirit (good works). James wrote about hypocrisy, that "A man may say" he has faith, but the absence of what it produces (good works) proves there is no faith, same as saying a non-existent faith, or "dead faith" (2:17,18). Faith never fails and eventually produces.

If faith were alone, that is, a faith void of repentance confession and baptism then it is dead being alone. Therefore faith alone (faith void of repentance) cannot save for faith without repentance is dead.

As James might say.....prove your faith without repentance and I will prove my faith by my repentance. Those who do not repent cannot even prove their faith.