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Kundalini

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Kundalini is a word I have come across sometimes lately in relation to Christianity and the Holy Spirit for some reason. Someone dropped a video about it into a thread of mine on this forum a month ago for no apparent reason. I had never heard of it until only recently. I have seen the name appear here and there in forums and web pages when I was searching for answers to forum questions relating to christian topics. The Toronto blessing for example
Anyone know about how some back energy thing is supposed to have anything to do with Jesus?
 
Kundalini is a word I have come across sometimes lately in relation to Christianity and the Holy Spirit for some reason. Someone dropped a video about it into a thread of mine on this forum a month ago for no apparent reason. I had never heard of it until only recently. I have seen the name appear here and there in forums and web pages when I was searching for answers to forum questions relating to christian topics. The Toronto blessing for example
Anyone know about how some back energy thing is supposed to have anything to do with Jesus?

Wikipedia said:
Kundalini (kuṇḍalinī, Sanskrit: कुण्डलिनी) literally means coiled. In yoga, a "corporeal energy" - an unconscious, instinctive or libidinal force or Shakti, lies coiled at the base of the spine. It is envisioned either as a goddess or else as a sleeping serpent, hence a number of English renderings of the term such as 'serpent power'. The kundalini resides in the sacrum bone in three and a half coils and has been described as a residual power of pure desire.

Doesn't sound very Christian to me. If it's "envisioned as a goddess", then Christians should have nothing to do with it.
 
People who deny the manifestations of the Holy Spirit in believers, or people who fear them are those who cry, "Kundalini!"

I pay no attention to them.
They are fearmongers and think that pretty much all manifestations are evil.
 
People who deny the manifestations of the Holy Spirit in believers, or people who fear them are those who cry, "Kundalini!"

I pay no attention to them.
They are fearmongers and think that pretty much all manifestations are evil.
That is not true at all. There are many who believe in "manifestations of the Spirit" and yet realize the infiltration of demonic spirits into the Charasmatic movement. There are some extremely serious problems with the Pentecostal and Charasmatic movements and deception is one of them.

It is your answer though that serves to highlight the main problem and danger: anything that appears in a church service as a "manifestation of the Spirit" is almost always accepted without question as actually being from the Holy Spirit. There is a serious lack of discernment which is cause for alarm.


Chris said:
Anyone know about how some back energy thing is supposed to have anything to do with Jesus?
As Theofilus pointed out, it has nothing at all to do with Jesus.

[video=youtube;eBpw2oQrvMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMM[/video]

[video=youtube;BCcGaTRwG_4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCcGaTRwG_4&feature=related[/video]

[video=youtube;dWeUNoR30_0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWeUNoR30_0&feature=related[/video]

Interestingly enough, I had a bad feeling about the recent Todd Bentley "Lakeland Revival." Myself, my wife and another couple brought up our concerns with our pastor but he was all into it and dismissed our concerns outright. We left that church. Not long afterward Todd Bentley was shown to have been having an affair during the "revival" and left his wife to marry the other woman. The church we left fell apart, for the second time with the same pastor.

I bring that up because of some of the things I saw during footage of the "revival" which were in line with the Kundalini videos. I think Todd Bentley is seen in them, iirc.
 
Alabaster said:
Holding to the notion regarding chakras is an open door to the occult in one's life. It has its very roots in spiritualism, and not in anything to do with God.

http://www.christianforums.net/f15/christianity-chakras-33307/


Alabaster, it's interesting that you seem to be OK with openess to Kundalini when you are (rightly) opposed to chakras. Google Kundalini and one finds that it is whollly a part of mystical occultism.

Have to admit, I'm a bit confused...since you are someone who is obviously dedicated to the one true faith, I'm wondering where you are coming from on this one.
 
Alabaster, it's interesting that you seem to be OK with openess to Kundalini when you are (rightly) opposed to chakras. Google Kundalini and one finds that it is whollly a part of mystical occultism.
What? Me open to the Kundalini concept? Far from it! where do you get that from?

People who cry "Kundalini!" are fearmongers and lack understanding of the move of the Holy Spirit. they tend to see evil around every corner. The Kundalini spirit is an evil spirit and has nothing to do with what Holy Spirit does in His people.

People are so afraid of what they think they are seeing that they point their fingers and denounce it as evil.

Have to admit, I'm a bit confused...since you are someone who is obviously dedicated to the one true faith, I'm wondering where you are coming from on this one.

You may be confused because you misread what I posted.
 
Free,

After having been caught up in a cult once before, I asked for the spiritual gift of discernment regarding false prophets and teachers. And, I will testify that Todd Bentley is someone whom I truly believe is a false prophet. I can't watch the video's now (on computer at my work) but if Bentley is pushing kundalini, I can't say I would be surprised.
 
What? Me open to the Kundalini concept? Far from it! where do you get that from?

People who cry "Kundalini!" are fearmongers and lack understanding of the move of the Holy Spirit. they tend to see evil around every corner. The Kundalini spirit is an evil spirit and has nothing to do with what Holy Spirit does in His people.

People are so afraid of what they think they are seeing that they point their fingers and denounce it as evil.



You may be confused because you misread what I posted.

Yes, I misread what you posted. I thought you were supporting the idea of "Christain Kundalini" as a manifestation of the Holy Spirit.
 
What? Me open to the Kundalini concept? Far from it! where do you get that from?

People who cry "Kundalini!" are fearmongers and lack understanding of the move of the Holy Spirit. they tend to see evil around every corner. The Kundalini spirit is an evil spirit and has nothing to do with what Holy Spirit does in His people.

People are so afraid of what they think they are seeing that they point their fingers and denounce it as evil.
I have already stated and proved with the videos that this is entirely false. Some may be that way but some are not. And you are begging the question by assuming that everything you see happen in church is from the Holy Spirit.
 
I have already stated and proved with the videos that this is entirely false. Some may be that way but some are not. And you are begging the question by assuming that everything you see happen in church is from the Holy Spirit.

Those who cry, "Kundalini!" and produce and watch these flaming YouTube videos lump the good with the bad and really don't have the ability to discern. They certainly teach the dumbing down of the discerning Spirit we must rely on.
 
A rule of thumb to consider:

If a "spiritual manifestation" is verified in the Scripturs as from the Holy Spirit (ie, speaking in tongues) it's most likely of the Spirit. ( I say most likely because I know that tongues can be abused.)

If a "spiritual manifestation" is not verified in the Scriptures as from the Holy Spirit (ie, uncontrollable laughter) it is most likely not of the Spirit.
 
Those who cry, "Kundalini!" and produce and watch these flaming YouTube videos lump the good with the bad and really don't have the ability to discern. They certainly teach the dumbing down of the discerning Spirit we must rely on.
Search "Andrew Strom" before making such comments. There is no flaming intended by the videos. They are a serious warning that should be heeded.
 
i cant for the life of me understand how anyone made the association between the holy spirit and kundulini which is an eastern yoga/meditation thing...unless one needs subject matter to sell a book to Paranoid Christians. From what I read about it it seems to take a year of meditation to occur, or something like that. I found it a little absurd and somewhat disrespectful to be calling manifestations of the holy spirit that.
 
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i cant for the life of me understand how anyone made the association between the holy spirit and kundulini which is an eastern yoga/meditation thing...unless one needs subject matter to sell a book to Paranoid Christians. From what I read about it it seems to take a year of meditation to occur, or something like that. I found it a little absurd and somewhat disrespectful to be calling manifestations of the holy spirit that.

Exactly! It is a gut reaction by some small minority that they use to spread fear and ignorance, and some of the more obtuse ones create YouTube videos, thinking themselves wise. The weak and those who don't understand the Holy Spirit's manifestations lap it up like cream.
 
Search "Andrew Strom" before making such comments. There is no flaming intended by the videos. They are a serious warning that should be heeded.

I know about Andrew Strom. He is a good man, but he is wrong about a lot of this stuff.
 
the spirit of joy aka holy laughter when its occuring is always subject to the person who is joyous. recenlty in a similar manner that happened to me but i was always in control.

God doesnt force himself upon men.

and free is right, i have seen some out there stuff and my then pastor stopped it. one doesnt need a 4 or 5 time tounge/interpretation to get the idea that during worship to keep doing the same thing sing to the lord.
 
Exactly! It is a gut reaction by some small minority that they use to spread fear and ignorance, and some of the more obtuse ones create YouTube videos, thinking themselves wise. The weak and those who don't understand the Holy Spirit's manifestations lap it up like cream.
and gullible Christians buy books and videos while the authors retire from it in lakeside condos in wealth.. true?

Sorry for my skepticism I have been bitten a few to many times with believing things like that.
 
the spirit of joy aka holy laughter when its occuring is always subject to the person who is joyous. recenlty in a similar manner that happened to me but i was always in control.

God doesnt force himself upon men.

and free is right, i have seen some out there stuff and my then pastor stopped it. one doesnt need a 4 or 5 time tounge/interpretation to get the idea that during worship to keep doing the same thing sing to the lord.

I don't quite agree that "holy laughter" is the same thing as the spirit of joy...joy is a gift of the spirit, not a spirit in of itself. Semantics? Maybe, but there is so much spiritual confusion out there now, perhaps we need to be really clear on some points.

I go back to what I said before...if a "spiritual manifestation" has a clear biblical basis...and I mean clear, something that we see associated with the Spirit in the Bible, like tongues and prophesy, then it is most likely from the Spirit.

But, some of these trendy "spiritual manifestations" are not biblical, or have a couple of "proof texts" tied to them, or, if they show up in the bible have more in common with the descriptions of the demonically possessed than they do with those baptized by the Holy Spirit.

All I am saying is that we should hold "spiritual manifestations" to the same Biblical scrutiny that we do any other doctrinal matter. I don't give it a pass, just because it's supposed to be "of the Spirit". As a matter of fact, since I believe wholeheartedly in demonic spirits, and the bible tells us to beware of false prophets and teachers, I tend to subject these kinds of things to even greater scrutiny.

I guess part of my whole attitude about this is my experience with an Assembly of God revival (happened on the night I became a Christian) in which I saw supposedly godly women, older, modest women, rolling around on the floor, exposing their panties and people shrieking, screaming, stomping around and other such things. Show me, from the Scriptures, where the Holy Spirit has God's daughters, Jesus' brides, uncontrollably rolling around showing their tighty-whities to a bunch of men. It looked and sounded far more like people possessed of demons rather than people under the influence of the Holy Spirit. I became a Christian later that night (actually early the following morning) but in spite of that exhibition, not because of it.

And, now that I'm older and a little more educated in the Scriptures, I don't believe that those AofG folks were possessed by demons either...I do think that the revivalist had them so emotionally worked up, and that they had been taught that this was what they were supposed to do "under the Spirit" that they just gave into it. But, that doesn't make it Biblical or pleasing to God.
 
i cant for the life of me understand how anyone made the association between the holy spirit and kundulini which is an eastern yoga/meditation thing...unless one needs subject matter to sell a book to Paranoid Christians. From what I read about it it seems to take a year of meditation to occur, or something like that. I found it a little absurd and somewhat disrespectful to be calling manifestations of the holy spirit that.
And as I pointed out to Alabaster, this is merely begging the question. And not only that, it is an ad hominem to refer to Christians who disagree as paranoid. How are you so certain that you are not deceived and such "paranoid Christians" are using true spiritual discernment?

Chris said:
and gullible Christians buy books and videos while the authors retire from it in lakeside condos in wealth.. true?

Sorry for my skepticism I have been bitten a few to many times with believing things like that.
Really!? Have you ever heard of Benny Hinn? How many others out there are like him? And they get rich by asking people for money. This is very much a losing argument for you.


Alabaster said:
I know about Andrew Strom. He is a good man, but he is wrong about a lot of this stuff.
On the contrary, he is right about a lot of this stuff. He used to be heavily involved in such practices with all the well known "prophets" and preachers. He saw the serious problems with the way things were going and got out. He still believes in manifestations of the Spirit but he has discernment.


[QUOTE-handy]I guess part of my whole attitude about this is my experience with an Assembly of God revival (happened on the night I became a Christian) in which I saw supposedly godly women, older, modest women, rolling around on the floor, exposing their panties and people shrieking, screaming, stomping around and other such things. Show me, from the Scriptures, where the Holy Spirit has God's daughters, Jesus' brides, uncontrollably rolling around showing their tighty-whities to a bunch of men. It looked and sounded far more like people possessed of demons rather than people under the influence of the Holy Spirit.[/QUOTE]
What is worth pointing out is that many people use 1 Cor 14:33a--since God is not a God of disorder but of peace (HCSB)--as an argument against doctrinal differences, whereas the actual context fits exactly what you are describing.
 
I hope I can be blunt when discussing this as I do not believe these types of manifestations have any part of Gods body. Please look at this video:
[video=youtube;IrpW6Xctg8Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrpW6Xctg8Q[/video]
The phrase I take out of this video is:

"This is not what I read about my Jesus.."
 
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