Bible Study Law

[Nathan]

So there is, has, and always will be a lot of talk on the "law".

James declares two different, yet distinct "laws". They are not alagorical or semantics, but real things.

The "Royal Law"

The "Law of Liberty"

Define and describe each individually please.

 

[Elijah674]

So there is, has, and always will be a lot of talk on the "law".

James declares two different, yet distinct "laws". They are not alagorical or semantics, but real things.

The "Royal Law"

The "Law of Liberty"

Define and describe each individually please.

The Inspiration is in James 2 & by Holy Spirit Inspiration's N.T. side. And it is not another Eternal Law but just transfered from the Tables of Stone into the Born Again Heart. (MIND)

[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as t
hyself, ye do well:
{This is the second tabel of the Covenant. This is as Christ explained when tempted by the lawyer in Matt. 22:35-40 or the ten Commandments)

[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(They are like a ten link chain, if one is broken, the chain is also)

[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
(there can be NO faithlessness of what the Holy Spirit is calling the Royal Universal Law with these kill + adultery Words)

[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

(there is NO CONDEMNATION to those [IN CHRIST] Rom. 8:1, yet if we sin, we are right back under condemnation. It is called LIBERTY because sin is BONDAGE and Christ documents that we are not under satans bondage. See Phil. 4:13's promise that ''I CAN DO [ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST WHICH STRENGTHENETH ME.]'

+ Again,, ['MY GRACE IS] SUFFICENT FOR THEE: FOR [MY STRENGTH IS MADE PERFECT IN WEAKNESS]. ..' 2 Cor. 12:9

And take note that [ALL] will be judged by the Eternal Law of Liberty! Eccl. 12:13-14
'Let us hear the conclusion of the [WHOLE MATTER]; Fear God, and keep His Commandments: for this is the [WHOLE DUTY 'OF MAN]'.

--Elijah

PS: It is interesting (+ more) that God tested old Israel on just one 7th Day Sabbath Commandment before they were to go into their Land of Canaan, huh! Note what he said in verses 4 about PROVING THEM! And then verse 27 'HOW LONG [REFUSE YE] to keep My Commandments and My laws?'

Now re/read Eccl. 3:15!

 

[Mike]

Okay, this is not a commentary on the KJV. I just find it difficult to connect with. If it's okay, I'd like to draw from the NIV.

But before I look at the two laws, I'd like to compare verse 9 of James 2, using the NIV and the KJV. And again, I'm not starting a version war.

NIV - "But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers."

KJV - "But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors."

Can any of my KJV friends explain this wording to me? Verse 9 seems to be a bridge between verse 8 and 10. I can't reconcile the phrase "have respect to persons". And if you can explain this to me, perhaps you will clear up 1 verse where the KJV loses me. Showing favoritism seems to be in clear error, but having respect to others? I guess I need your help there.

But, in sticking to the NIV, and this section:

"8If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, "Love your neighbor as yourself," you are doing right. 9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. 12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!

Verse 8: the royal commandment given by Christ which (following love the Lord...) sums up all the laws - Love your neighbor as yourself.
Verse 10: now seems to be talking about the Mosaic law and the 10 commandments and how in breaking 1 of them, you've broken them all.
Verse 9 in between: I said it seemed like a bridge because if taken alone with verse 8, it would look like: love everyone and don't show preference to certain people. But if taken with verse 10, it could be taken as: don't favor some of the laws and treat others as less important.

Am I making any sense? Verse 9 seems to be either accenting verse 8 in loving your neighbors, or verse 10 in not favoring certain laws. - a bridge.

So, the royal law seems to be Jesus' 2 commandments that sum up all the laws.
The term "law of liberty" isn't used in then NIV which as above says "the law that gives freedom". Since James is talking to believers, he appears to be talking about "rewards in heaven". This can be tied, not to the reward of salvation, since these are all believers, but to something Jesus says in Rev 22:12.

"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done."

Good deeds don't ensure salvation, but there are special rewards in Heaven for those who lived their lives according to His desire. No?

 

[Elijah674]

The Inspiration is in James 2 & by Holy Spirit Inspiration's N.T. side. And it is not another Eternal Law but just transfered from the Tables of Stone into the Born Again Heart. (MIND)

[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as t
hyself, ye do well:
{This is the second tabel of the Covenant. This is as Christ explained when tempted by the lawyer in Matt. 22:35-40 or the ten Commandments)

[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(They are like a ten link chain, if one is broken, the chain is also)

[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
(there can be NO faithlessness of what the Holy Spirit is calling the Royal Universal Law with these kill + adultery Words)

[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

(there is NO CONDEMNATION to those [IN CHRIST] Rom. 8:1, yet if we sin, we are right back under condemnation. It is called LIBERTY because sin is BONDAGE and Christ documents that we are not under satans bondage. See Phil. 4:13's promise that ''I CAN DO [ALL THINGS THROUGH CHRIST WHICH STRENGTHENETH ME.]'

+ Again,, ['MY GRACE IS] SUFFICENT FOR THEE: FOR [MY STRENGTH IS MADE PERFECT IN WEAKNESS]. ..' 2 Cor. 12:9

And take note that [ALL] will be judged by the Eternal Law of Liberty! Eccl. 12:13-14
'Let us hear the conclusion of the [WHOLE MATTER]; Fear God, and keep His Commandments: for this is the [WHOLE DUTY 'OF MAN]'.

--Elijah

PS: It is interesting (+ more) that God tested old Israel on just one 7th Day Sabbath Commandment before they were to go into their Land of Canaan, huh! Note what he said in verses 4 about PROVING THEM! And then verse 27 'HOW LONG [REFUSE YE] to keep My Commandments and My laws?'

Now re/read Eccl. 3:15!

Me again: As Isa 8:20 speakes of two testings of ones knowledge, it states that both Law + Testimony have different meanings! See if the two tables of 'Royal' Law help for one to see the difference between common law & Agape Law that He alone wrote? And note here in verse 12 that this is the last of the first four Commandments which have anything to do with Worship of God first. The next six had & have to do with the love of man. (and equally, no respecter of persons!)

Exod. 31
[12] And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[13] Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.
[14] Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
[15] Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
(The O.T. had God as His theorcracy, the Church were seen in Matt. 18:14-18 doing that work. And being 'loosed in heaven'?? that will again be the Second Eternal Death. Obad. 1:16)

[16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.
[17] It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
[18] And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables [of testimony,] tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

OK: This is [THE LAW]! ;) Note the lawyer 'tempting Christ below! Surely we today readily read that God IS LOVE, huh? But we are even more milk/fed than the Heb. 5 ones it appears, and do not understand what Love is? But Law + Love cannot be seperated! (Heb. 13:20) And it IS A MORAL WORKING 'LOVING' PRINCIPLE! There was NO feeling good, or excitement, nor emotion by Christ at His cross, yet NO one can miss the LOVE HE HAD IN PRINCIPLE!


Matt. 22
[35] Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
[36] Master, which [is the great commandment in the law?]

[37] Jesus said unto him, [Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.]

[38] This is the [first and great commandment.]

[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Seeing that the 'title is Law.' Perhaps one should start with the Royal Law & see if they can understand the division of the two tables of Gods writing of the ten?? For the world + Caesar has many others laws along with even Moses ones that were added because of sin. Gal. 3:19

And surely James 2:8-12 is talking of This Royal Law!

--Elijah

 

[Elijah674]

So there is, has, and always will be a lot of talk on the "law".

James declares two different, yet distinct "laws". They are not alagorical or semantics, but real things.

The "Royal Law"

The "Law of Liberty"

Define and describe each individually please.

OK: James 2:8-12 finds Royal Law. One that ONLY GOD HIMSELF WROTE.
Eternal Royal Covenant. Heb. 13:20)

[8] If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
(Christ told the lawyer about this TEMPTATION, huh?? Matt. 23:35-40)

[9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
(Second table of the two, duty to man)

[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
(All ten are as a linked together whole! tow Stove's car with them from an one - ten linked chain, & then use Dan. 7:25 satan's wrench to break out any one of them, & then what is the Inspired result!)

[11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
(directly identifying the Eternal Covenant that God gave the first heart transplant to, when Born Again! 2 Cor. 3:3 + Heb. 10:15-16)

[12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

OK: There was just no way to set back & watch this 'thread' die out into outter space, huh? And Eccl. 12:13-14 finds this same STANDARD for who will be & who will not be saved. And the Liberty Law part??

Surely one should understand that we all are at [LIBERTY] to Obey Christ or not to Obey Christ? Josh. 24:15, Deut. 30:19, Compare Matt. 6:24

 

[cyberjosh]

The "Law of Liberty"

Ah, the Law of Liberty! One of my favorite subjects! This is close to the "Law of Christ" which I also call this the Law of Love! I've preached a sermon on love and the NT laws before, and have an audio recording of it somewhere, and I mentioned how all the new laws under the New Covenant fit together. The Law of Christ especially is exemplified by bearing one another's burdens (Galatians 6:2).

Blast my darn website being hacked with malware! I'd just upload the sermon there, but if you want it please PM me with your email address (that is assuming it's small enough to send...).

God Bless,

~Josh