Left behind

[Jethro Bodine]

Willie,

If faith is absent of proof, then you can't claim it as a fact.

The point being, the proof is not materially verifiable. That hardly means God's voice is not real.

 

[poetofparables]

Sin, righteousness, and the Judgment to come.


I find it interesting that people think seeing is believing, and that you have to see and feel and experience something in the natural before it can be considered real and worthy of trust. The Israelites proved how very wrong that thinking is. I've seen people in the church experience wonderful, seemingly miraculous answers to prayer, just to see them continue to waffle in doubt and unbelief about God and their relationship to him.

That was beautiful Jethro, very poetic.

 

[poetofparables]

The point being, the proof is not materially verifiable. That hardly means God's voice is not real.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Here's the Biblical definition of faith:

1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. (Hebrews 11:1 NASB)

No where in that definition does it say 'not provable, and therefore, lacking assurance'. What it says is the assurance of faith can not be seen. That doesn't mean faith has no assurance attached to it.

People often talk about 'blind faith' in the sense that you just choose to believe something without any assurance whatsoever that what you believe is true. That is hardly what Biblical faith is about. The person who believes does indeed have something upon which to get assurance from to base his believing on. That something being the voice of God.

A lot of people take false comfort in thinking they don't have to believe God exists simply because we can not literally see God with our eyes. But that hardly means God has not proven to them that he exists. All will be held accountable to the truth that God has spoken in the world by way of his very real voice. Just because you can't see a voice doesn't mean it's not real. But that is the faulty logic that people who resist the truth think gets them off the hook in regard to acknowledging the truth. This is why it's so very important to heed the voice of God sent into the world to convict (convince) man of his sin, the righteousness of God, and the Judgment to come. Nobody gets off the hook because they couldn't 'see' God.

 

[Eugene]

Science is just the method to prove something. Faith is yet to have a method to prove anything.

Faith has proved much to me through whatever method of our senses it affects. Heb 11:1 says it is the evidence of things not seen. What??? I have peace apart from good happenings, I've experienced healing without doctors, I have been blessed with fruit of the Spirit according to Gal 5:22-23, I continue to be delivered from things of the flesh, and I have the assurance of my eternal salvation. Is God done increasing my faith? No, and that prayerfully continues until one day I am in His presence.

 

[YosefHayim]

Age of Deceit is a good end times movie by Gonz Shimura