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Let The Doctor Pay You

Lewis

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Elaine Farstad got antsy as she waited for her doctor, who was late for her scheduled appointment. Then she got downright impatient. Then, as nearly two hours passed, she got mad. Then she came up with an idea.

"I decided to bill the doctor," she says. "If you waste my time, you've bought my time."

When Farstad returned home, she figured out her hourly wage working as an IT specialist at Boeing in Everett, Washington. She doubled it for the two hours she'd spent in the waiting room, and mailed the invoice to her doctor.

"It's ludicrous -- why would I wait for free?" says Farstad, who is now an engineering graduate student at North Carolina State University. "Like we all learned in kindergarten, it's about respecting each other."

In years gone by, doctors would likely have scoffed at the suggestion they reimburse patients for time spent waiting. But Farstad's doctor sent her a check for $100, the full amount she requested, and some tardy doctors tell CNN they give patients money (or a gift) before the patient even asks.

"I love this!" says Dave deBronkart, co-chair of the Society for Participatory Medicine. "It's magnificent that some physicians are valuing patients' time. It's a commitment to designing a practice that truly serves patients."

Gifts from late doctors

The average wait time at doctors' offices in the United States is 24 minutes, according to a report released in 2010 by Press Ganey, a group that researches health care performance.

When he keeps patients waiting more than 15 minutes, Dr. Timothy Malia, a primary care physician in Fairport, New York, hands them a $5 bill. If patients in Eugene, Oregon, wait more than 10 minutes to see Dr. Pamela Wible, they receive a handmade soap or a bottle of lotion. When Dr. Cyrus Peikari, an internist in Dallas, recently had to miss a day of work because of a family emergency, he gave the patients whose appointments he canceled $50 at their next appointment.

One patient didn't want to take the check, but Peikari insisted. "I suggested to him, 'Your time is just as valuable, if not more so, than mine.' "

Not all doctors are so sympathetic. Farstad tells about another appointment. It was for 8 a.m. with her gynecologist, and she had to leave at 8:40 a.m. when the doctor still wasn't there. In the parking lot, she ran into the doctor, who was just getting out of her car.

"The doctor told me she had a little one and she was never in the office until ten to nine," she remembers. "I asked her why she scheduled appointments at 8 a.m., and she said to give the patients time to do paperwork. I was so mad I was shaking. I never went back to her."

What to do when your doctor keeps you waiting

Keep in mind that sometimes a situation is out of a doctor's control. For example, some doctors are instructed by their bosses to book patients at 15 minute increments to make more money, which means if one patient needs more time, the patients later in the day will get delayed.

If that's the case, and the doctor is perpetually late and you don't like waiting, you can try one of these approaches.
Of the six doctors Elaine Farstad sent an invoice to, three have paid.
Of the six doctors Elaine Farstad sent an invoice to, three have paid.

1. Send your doctor a bill

Here's an example of an invoice Farstad sent to a tardy physician. She says over the years she has billed six doctors who were more than 30 minutes late, and half have paid.

2. Find an on-time doctor

This map shows physicians who adhere to the tenets of the Ideal Medical Practices Organization, which encourages its doctors to be on time.

3. Schedule smartly

For example, try booking the first appointment after lunch. For more scheduling tips, read the previous Empowered Patient column: Waiting for the doctor... and waiting and waiting.

4. Mention the doctors in this article to your own doctor

Doctors might pay up pre-emptively if they hear their colleagues are doing the same, deBronkart says.

5. Blog about your doctor's lateness

DeBronkart, who blogs as "E-Patient Dave," wrote about his experience waiting 45 minutes to get an X-ray. He says the head of the radiology practice then called him and acknowledged they needed to change the way they scheduled patients.
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Unless I'm "dying" (say, a severe cold which I hardly get anyway), I rather stay away from doctors. Once they put you on pills which they say "you'll have to take this the rest of your life" for so-called chronic conditions such as BP, cholesterol, nerves, arthritis, etc etc then of course you'll have to be checked regularly. That makes more money for them, and it takes up time.

Frankly, I have better things to do than sit in a doctor's office (paid or not) regularly. When I have a long week at work, I don't want to spend a lot of my free time discussing negativity instead of outside enjoying life. It's better just to not go to begin with--- I don't want to be under anyone's care, nor do I need to be, young or old.
 
Wow Tim, suppose you get real sick ?

NO. I tend to stay away from doctors which is why I'm well. If you notice, doctors secretly "keep" you sick and will otherwise tell a healthy person they have a "condition" that needs attention for the rest of their lives. I expect this in a Luciferian worldly system that is opposed to the biblical idea that says, "I am the Lord that heals you." They say, "You are sick and an invalid, and constantly need a doctor." To which you may say, "But I feel fine" to which they answer back trying to convince you with tests and whatnot how sick you are.
 
who says God doenst use doctors to heal? doing what i do for my back pain via chiropractic isnt considered traditional medicine yet that same chiropractor who buys what you say.would have me there three times a week to adjust me yet no improvement is made. my neck has no curve to it. nor has it since 1998. so i have learned that if it gets real bad i see him. and i also avoid things that irritate that issue. bjj has helped alot on this. i have learned to live with my back. yes the lord has touched my back. i remember the lord telling me in a dream that he would heal my neck. the neck day after that for the first time given three months of adjustment it moved! the pain in that area and headaches were reduced.
 
God does use doctors Jason. But back to Tim, Tim suppose let's say you were in a car accident, would you refuse treatment. Or if you fell and broke a arm ? Just trying to get a good understanding here.
 
God does use doctors Jason. But back to Tim, Tim suppose let's say you were in a car accident, would you refuse treatment. Or if you fell and broke a arm ? Just trying to get a good understanding here.

That's different because that's trauma medicine. Doctors are OK and good at trauma medicine. They are just setting your bone just as a repairman fixes something that it broken. The same can be said if they can opened a blocked artery as a plummer opens a clog.

When my son had his head injury, he was in ICU for 3 days and basically all they do is watch ---- sometimes emergency surgery is needed if say something starts bleeding like a plummer stops a leak. But in all that time they did not give him medications. The body heals itself. I'm for that kind of medicine.

The thing I'm against and talking about is so-called preventative medicine, or medicine for a "condition" usually to bring useless numbers down. As soon as a drug enters the body, it's alien to it and acts as a resource depleter and actually slows up healing. If the numbers are up, the body needs to be balanced, not more pollutants put into it. Before you think I'm being selective here, the last statistic I heard is that 70% of all medicine and insurance coverage deals with this type of medical practice (and the worthless tests that go with it). In other words, I'm saying that about 70% of the people who are on these things can just quit, walk out from the doctor and they would not die any sooner as they would have you believe.

But yes, 30% of the rest of the people have real, old fashioned injuries or medical problems that need to be addressed, but the role of the doctor should be just to set the patient on the right path and aid the body in healing. I think there's a name for some of those doctors --- naturopaths.
 
So Tim, are you saying that, medication has no place ? And that today's medication does not save lives or improve the quality of life.
 
So Tim, are you saying that, medication has no place ? And that today's medication does not save lives or improve the quality of life.

Well, let me give you a few examples and then you can get a better feel:

BP meds: Probably don't extend life unless you're someone with BP high enough to be in outer space. But most people aren't. Quality of life, also probably not. There's some natural herbs IMO works better.
Cholesterol meds: Totally useless, neither extends life nor quality
Diabetic meds: Ditto as with cholesterol. If a person is sick enough they may need insulin, but that is based on a natural bodily chemical just as you have hormones, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, etc. A person is just deficient in that. Most "diabetes" they talk about today is type 2, so meds are useless, neither extending life or quality. Probably the person is for example too heavy, eats too many carbs, or maybe deficient in the metal chromium. Things like that should always be checked first, but they rarely are.

I have to go now.
 
So Tim all these doctors are dead wrong, for going to medical school for 8 years. Because really what you are saying is, that they have it all wrong. There are many docs that I don't trust, but I think that God has raised up many doctors. But most American doctors are about the money.
 
Tim, I think you've been blessed with good health, and that's great! Others of us have to just walk the walk that the Lord leads us through, which might include some bona fide chronic conditions.

Myself...my weight kept ballooning, my hair was falling out, my fingernails turned bumpy and yellowish, my ears were constantly ringing, my extremities were in extreme pain and my mental faculties were sliding downhill. I decided that I really needed to go on a diet, went on a rather strict one, eating only 900 calories a day for one week...and walked an hour each day as well...and gained weight.

My thyroid was all wonky. The doctor pegged it right. It took several changes of medication but I finally got it all worked out. My hair stopped falling out and even regrew, filling in the bald patch that formed, my fingernails cleared up and smoothed out, I became mentally on the ball again and my ears stopped ringing. *Sigh* I wish I could say that the pounds dropped off as magically as they appeared, but somehow, it doesn't work that way. :bigfrown

I've had all kinds of people tell me that I should do this, that or the other to treat the condition "naturally". Most of the herbs they talk about are expensive...far, far more expensive than the $4.00 I pay to the pharmacist for the levothyroxine. I've also been told to just go on dessicated bovine thyroid, but again the cost is far higher than the levothyroxine and it is no "better" for me than the scrip med, just because it's "natural". It's not "natural" for me, because I'm not a cow...I'm a human. My sister got herself into some real health troubles by taking dbt instead of going to a doctor because it wasn't regulated for her. Like I said, it took several changes to the dosages of the levothyroxine in order to get my thyroid balanced, and yes, that took several trips to the doctor and several blood tests. But, now except to take the scrip and to go in about once a year to test my blood, I'm good to go.

The problem with desiccated thyroid, whether bovine or porcine (pig) is that each batch can have wildly differing strengths. My thyroid is quite sensitive...at 1 mg, I'm not getting enough and the symptoms come back. At 1.2, I'm being overdosed and the symptoms also are back. My dosage comes in at 1.12 mgs. A miniscule over the 1 mg...and yet it makes a HUGE difference in my overall health.

My sister, taking the desiccated bovine thyroid was on quite the roller coaster. She was taking one a day, but since the "batches" can be extremely different, she wasn't getting the same dosage when she would buy a new bottle...a bottle that cost about $20.00 more than the levothyroxine I take. She could have avoided this by getting her dbt through a licensed physician and having it prescribed...but then how is that different at all from what I'm doing now?

The Lord knows that I trust Him fully and I have full faith that He can completely heal my thyroid...but, for whatever purpose, so far it hasn't been His will to do so. I'm OK with that...His grace is more than sufficient for me.
 
As to the topic...I have indeed considered charging some doctors for zapping my entire day, especially back when I was working.

The biggest offender of this is Steve's neurologist...sometimes we have had appointments at 10:00am and have not been seen until after 1:00 pm. Steve has just learned to schedule an entire day off when we go to his office. Which is without pay...so it's pretty spendy for us.

BUT...we wouldn't charge him because he is active in the free medical clinic in town as well as helping out with Doctor's Without Boarders and he regularly goes back to his native Romania and gives free medical care back there as well. Neurology doesn't come cheap and, even though it isn't great insurance...Steve does have insurance and a decent paying job. Much more than many of the patients that the doctor sees for free.
 
Well, let me give you a few examples and then you can get a better feel:

BP meds: Probably don't extend life unless you're someone with BP high enough to be in outer space. But most people aren't. Quality of life, also probably not. There's some natural herbs IMO works better.
Cholesterol meds: Totally useless, neither extends life nor quality
Diabetic meds: Ditto as with cholesterol. If a person is sick enough they may need insulin, but that is based on a natural bodily chemical just as you have hormones, vitamins, minerals, enzymes, etc. A person is just deficient in that. Most "diabetes" they talk about today is type 2, so meds are useless, neither extending life or quality. Probably the person is for example too heavy, eats too many carbs, or maybe deficient in the metal chromium. Things like that should always be checked first, but they rarely are.

I have to go now.
Tests on rats given brewer's yeast showed the link between chromium and the ability to maintain normal blood sugar levels¹ back in the late 50's. A recent meta-analysis pooled the results of 41 studies and found that chromium supplements do appear to improve blood sugar control in people with type 2 diabetes, but the authors state that well-designed clinical trials are still required before any firm claims can be made².

No benefits of chromium supplements on blood glucose have been found in people without diabetes.

Saying that people with diabetes are overweight and eat too many carbs fails to impress and smacks of shallow and stereotypical thinking. You've also chosen to list blood preassure medication as one of your examples to support your contention that medications in general provide no benefit, fail to improve quality of life and does not save lives. Really? So a person with uncontrolled hypertension who suffers a stroke and dies would have a higher quality life than one who the medications that doctors prescribe? Lowering high blood pressure, helps prevents strokes, heart attacks and kidney problems.



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Footnotes, accredation, citations:
¹ Schwarz K and Mertz W. (1959) Chromium III and the glucose tolerance factor. Archives of Biochemistry and Biophysics 85:292-295

² Balk EM, Tatsioni A, Lichtenstein AH, Lau J, Pittas AG. (2007) Effect of chromium supplementation on glucose metabolism and lipids: a systematic review of randomised controlled trials. Diabetes Care 30:2154-2163
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There is no contractual obligation between the doctor and patient that allows patients to demand payment. The only way that it "works" is because of the willingness of the doctor to do so. What about charging doctors for the delay in medical advancement? Is that next on the agenda? So then a person with a incurable disease should bill the entire medical community for making them wait for the as yet undiscovered cure?

Although I do understand the frustrations involved there is absolutely no grounds for the charge or bill.
 
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I see some are apparently sold on drugs here. Most DO NOT extend life. That's a fact.

Handy:

Your medication is based on a hormone derivative --- a natural substance made in the body. I don't even consider that "medications" although it's regulated as such. Please reread my posts carefully.

How about the high BP? There's natural "meds" that work wonders. I'll show one that I take, but it's good for nerves as well:

Mukta Vati is a life-transforming discovery!

Actually, I was on high BP meds one time and flushed them down the toilet in favor of the above. The herbs worked better. Actually, I got the same BP readings in the office with or without the meds, but in all fairness I have been proven to have "white coat" so I guess there was nothing to really help.

Now as for High BP causing a stroke, it's the other way around. If one's arterial health is in that bad of shape to begin with, it will happen nonetheless--- high BP will not harm normal arteries, although high BP may be an indication they are harmed already and the BP is a symptom, not a means to reduce stroke. Even with normal blood it happens just as often. All it takes is one transient spike and the damage is done. And I don't know of anyone who does not have those.

And the point I'm making, is that I could be on as many meds, if not more than all of you if I wanted to. So am I really healthier? I threw them all out and I'm kicking today yet. I feel great.
 
And if all things were proven by anecdotal evidence what a wonderful world this would be. Are you certain that you are the man all should emulate? Pardon my skepticism.
 
And if all things were proven by anecdotal evidence what a wonderful world this would be. Are you certain that you are the man all should emulate? Pardon my skepticism.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me or not, but the only thing I want people to emulate is if they are of those 70% that can just walk out of a doctor's office because they are not really sick because they were "told" they were. Yes, the other 30% may have genuine conditions that need attention, and even then, should be done with balance, spiritual and physical nutrition in mind. What may incapacitate an individual may become manageable with minimal medical involvement even then.

If anyone here truly is an empath enough to know where I am coming from, they'd understand that I am basically trying to show people some freedom here. Is this so bad, or all we all in cages yet that we have to be drug-headed up? And what would you think the Lord would think of that?

From the spiritual perspective, understand that Satan is the god of this world, and he deceived everyone---- including medicine, yet I see Christians in bondage running back and forth to these doctors submitting to this same system. At the very least, have a Christian doctor.
 
I'm not sure if this was directed at me or not...
"White Coat" sounds more psychosomatic than symptomatic of hypertension. Are you certain that your experience is a relevant point of reference for support of your layman's opinion? I do understand (maybe) where you are coming from and have been given a very healthy body to live in but that isn't the case for "most" people who rely on medicines. My sis recently died from complications of diabetes and some of your thoughts just struck me as wrong. That's all.
 
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