[_ Old Earth _] Letters to the editor.

[John]

A recent event happened to me and fellow creationists here in my home town.

On September 15-17 we went to Joggins fossil cliffs Nova Scotia to obtain a few fossils to provide further evidence from the Creation account, but we were watched and apparently it is illegal to remove these deposits from the cliff side or the beach because of a new law protecting them from tourists.

So we went to apply for the permits.

We explained ourselves and were denied permission because of our goal and i quote " Creation is not scientific and we can't allow you to remove any deposits"

September 25. A letter to the Halifax herald "letters to the editor" written by myself and 3 other people was sent in. 2 days later before the letter was published (we told the institute we were writing it) they called up and gave us permits if we halted the letter. It seems all they needed to know is that were serious, a small letter and a legal division at our backs and they gave in.

So we got to retrieve our samples for the church we spent a few days and collected 60 pounds of fossils including a 1 foot section of a petrified tree, various small vegetation fossils and 2 small animals which appear to be amphibious in nature all resting on display at the local church down here in the creation display.

We will not be silenced by the infection of evolution, keep trying fellow creationists, they can't silence the truth.

That is all 8-) :D

 

[platos_cave]

So we got to retrieve our samples for the church we spent a few days and collected 60 pounds of fossils including a 1 foot section of a petrified tree, various small vegetation fossils and 2 small animals which appear to be amphibious in nature all resting on display at the local church down here in the creation display.

We will not be silenced by the infection of evolution, keep trying fellow creationists, they can't silence the truth.

That is all 8-) :D

Ok...so then why don't you use this opportunity of not being silenced and explain how evolution is false and Creation isn't?

 

[John]

This evidence collected was obviously for the global flood in the display. It is evidence of rapid burial and this is not in debate, both sides accept that what happened at Joggins took place quickly, 2 world views dude.

 

[platos_cave]

This evidence collected was obviously for the global flood in the display. It is evidence of rapid burial and this is not in debate, both sides accept that what happened at Joggins took place quickly, 2 world views dude.

Ok, but rapidly buried fossils are evidence that animals were killed and rapidly buried. How does it indicate that they were buried in a global flood?

 

[John]

This evidence collected was obviously for the global flood in the display. It is evidence of rapid burial and this is not in debate, both sides accept that what happened at Joggins took place quickly, 2 world views dude.

Ok, but rapidly buried fossils are evidence that animals were killed and rapidly buried. How does it indicate that they were buried in a global flood?

Based on my worldview it could fit the global flood, all those plants and animals buried by rapidly deposited sediments. The majority of the world is covered in sedimentary rock which again according to my world view would have been laid down by the great flood.

You right though, it can also be a local flood but then again the world is covered in these "local floods" Mass graveyards, coal seems, oil etc which fits the great flood part of Creation Theory.

I just wish i did not have to travel so far to get to the Joggins/Parrisboro peninsula to find fossils. I have been searching for years around my home and i have only found 3, a leaf, a shell and what appears to be scales. about 60% of the rock here is igneous, 30% metamorphic and 10% sedimentary, i know of 2 shale deposits and i have been at them for years with no results. I am visiting a quartz quarry tomorrow, i heard they dug through a shale layer.

 

[platos_cave]

Based on my worldview it could fit the global flood, all those plants and animals buried by rapidly deposited sediments. The majority of the world is covered in sedimentary rock which again according to my world view would have been laid down by the great flood.

Ok, but we're not talking about "worldview", we're talking about reality and the best explanation given the evidence we have.

You right though, it can also be a local flood but then again the world is covered in these "local floods" Mass graveyards, coal seems, oil etc which fits the great flood part of Creation Theory.

Yea, but "seeming to fit" and actually does fit are two very different things. Why should we assume that all of these are the result of one global catastrophe instead of isolated incidents?

I just wish i did not have to travel so far to get to the Joggins/Parrisboro peninsula to find fossils. I have been searching for years around my home and i have only found 3, a leaf, a shell and what appears to be scales. about 60% of the rock here is igneous, 30% metamorphic and 10% sedimentary, i know of 2 shale deposits and i have been at them for years with no results. I am visiting a quartz quarry tomorrow, i heard they dug through a shale layer.

It sounds like fun, regardless, finding that kind of stuff.

 

[John]

Ok, but we're not talking about "worldview", we're talking about reality and the best explanation given the evidence we have.

Yes we are kind of, evolution world view sees this fossil graveyard and says local, i see them and most of the world covered in sedimentary and say global.

Yea, but "seeming to fit" and actually does fit are two very different things. Why should we assume that all of these are the result of one global catastrophe instead of isolated incidents?

Why assume they are all local? because the global flood is based on religious root?

It sounds like fun, regardless, finding that kind of stuff.

Climbing sheer cliffs is pretty fun, just watch the tides in the bay of Fundy, they can jump up to 50ft :o

 

[platos_cave]

Yes we are kind of, evolution world view sees this fossil graveyard and says local, i see them and most of the world covered in sedimentary and say global.

You're oversimplifying the issue, john. There is no reason to assume a global flood given the evidence.

Why assume they are all local? because the global flood is based on religious root?

No, because it's an a priori assumption in which you pick and choose the evidence, discarding the facts that would disagree with the already made conclusion.

 

[John]

Well at least we can agree on the fact that fossils were buried rapidly, i still say global and you still say vast amounts of local. Meh. :smt117

 

[platos_cave]

Well at least we can agree on the fact that fossils were buried rapidly, i still say global and you still say vast amounts of local. Meh. :smt117

Ok, so now I have to ask. What about the fossils that weren't buried in floods?

 

[John]

I never said that all fossils came from the Global flood if that's what your implying.

Its true that some fossils don't need to be buried in a flood, they could be buried in a landslide or under volcanic ash, but i do believe they are in a minority.

 

[platos_cave]

I never said that all fossils came from the Global flood if that's what your implying.

Its true that some fossils don't need to be buried in a flood, they could be buried in a landslide or under volcanic ash, but i do believe they are in a minority.

Ok, so let's say we find these fossils that are dated to have occured at the same time as the fossils you say occured during the global flood. What then?

 

[John]

Ok, so let's say we find these fossils that are dated to have occured at the same time as the fossils you say occured during the global flood. What then?

I would question the dating method or say that those fossils were simply buried in the flood in an underwater landslide/mudslide.

 

[Bryce]

Climbing sheer cliffs is pretty fun, just watch the tides in the bay of Fundy, they can jump up to 50ft :o

If I ever make it up to Canada you've got to show me where that is. :-?
I've taken a liking to rock climbing recently but there's not much to climb here in Texas and especially not with a nice view :-D

 

[John]

Climbing sheer cliffs is pretty fun, just watch the tides in the bay of Fundy, they can jump up to 50ft :o

If I ever make it up to Canada you've got to show me where that is. :-?
I've taken a liking to rock climbing recently but there's not much to climb here in Texas and especially not with a nice view :-D

Its a pretty nice spot.

The Bay of Fundy, world record tides.

High Tide

Low tide

The Bay.

 

[platos_cave]

I would question the dating method

Why would you question the dating method?

or say that those fossils were simply buried in the flood in an underwater landslide/mudslide.

Except that we can tell when they are buried through aquatic or dry processes.