Like this post if you believe in pre-trib rapture of the church!

[Tessa]

we do but in reality how willing are we. the discussion often used at church if we really believed he could come back at any moment . would we be doing what we do? or would we be spending time getting our house in order .the battle in us flesh/spirit which one wins? the one we feed the most 2

That's it!
Be doing His work when He comes and it won't matter when He comes.

Love these two posts. This is what I'm aiming for. A long way to go yet, but the time to start is now.

 

[JLB]

Will people really be saying "peace and safety" having been through the seals, trumpets, thunders (?) and bowl judgements?

...which begs the question - what is the "Day of the Lord" - the day the Lord returns of the time of Jacob's Trouble?

The Day of the Lord is the Day Jesus returns to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture, and destroy the wicked, which includes the antichrist.

This is plainly taught in Thessalonians -


15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

Three major things occur at the coming of the Lord: The Gathering of His people: Resurrection, Rapture, destruction of the false messiah.

Here is the order of those three things:

• The resurrection of the dead in Christ: the dead in Christ will rise first... 1 Thessalonians 4:16

• The Rapture: Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them... 1 Thessalonians 4:17

• The destruction of the false messiah [antichrist]: destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

JLB

 

[New Day Coming]

The Day of the Lord is the Day Jesus returns to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture, and destroy the wicked, which includes the antichrist.

This is plainly taught in Thessalonians -


15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

Three major things occur at the coming of the Lord: The Gathering of His people: Resurrection, Rapture, destruction of the false messiah.

Here is the order of those three things:

• The resurrection of the dead in Christ: the dead in Christ will rise first... 1 Thessalonians 4:16

• The Rapture: Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them... 1 Thessalonians 4:17

• The destruction of the false messiah [antichrist]: destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

JLB

Question: "What is the day of the Lord?"

Answer: The phrase “day of the Lord” usually identifies events that take place at the end of history (Isaiah 7:18-25) and is often closely associated with the phrase “that day.” One key to understanding these phrases is to note that they always identify a span of time during which God personally intervenes in history, directly or indirectly, to accomplish some specific aspect of His plan.

Most people associate the day of the Lord with a period of time or a special day that will occur when God’s will and purpose for His world and for mankind will be fulfilled. Some scholars believe that the day of the Lord will be a longer period of time than a single day—a period of time when Christ will reign throughout the world before He cleanses heaven and earth in preparation for the eternal state of all mankind. Other scholars believe the day of the Lord will be an instantaneous event when Christ returns to earth to redeem His faithful believers and send unbelievers to eternal damnation.


The phrase “the day of the Lord” is used often in the Old Testament (e.g. Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and several times in the New Testament (e.g. Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14).

The Old Testament passages dealing with the day of the Lord often convey a sense of imminence, nearness, and expectation: “Wail, for the day of the Lord is near!” (Isaiah 13:6); “For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near” (Ezekiel 30:3); “Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming. It is close at hand” (Joel 2:1); “Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision” (Joel 3:14); “Be silent before the Lord God! For the day of the Lord is near” (Zephaniah 1:7). This is because the Old Testament passages referring to the day of the Lord often speak of both a near and a far fulfillment, as does much of Old Testament prophecy. Some Old Testament passages that refer to the day of the Lord describe historical judgments that have already been fulfilled in some sense (Isaiah 13:6-22; Ezekiel 30:2-19; Joel 1:15, 3:14; Amos 5:18-20; Zephaniah 1:14-18), while others refers to divine judgments that will take place toward the end of the age (Joel 2:30-32; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:1, 5).

The New Testament calls it a day of “wrath,” a day of “visitation,” and the “great day of God Almighty” (Revelation 16:14) and refers to a still future fulfillment when God’s wrath is poured out on unbelieving Israel (Isaiah 22; Jeremiah 30:1-17; Joel 1-2; Amos 5; Zephaniah 1) and on the unbelieving world (Ezekiel 38–39; Zechariah 14). The Scriptures indicate that “the day of the Lord” will come quickly, like a thief in the night (Zephaniah 1:14-15; 2 Thessalonians 2:2), and therefore Christians must be watchful and ready for the coming of Christ at any moment.

Besides being a time of judgment, it will also be a time of salvation as God will deliver the remnant of Israel, fulfilling His promise that “all of Israel will be saved” (Romans 11:26), forgiving their sins and restoring His chosen people to the land He promised to Abraham (Isaiah 10:27; Jeremiah 30:19-31, 40; Micah 4; Zechariah 13). The final outcome of the day of the Lord will be that “the arrogance of man will be brought low and the pride of men humbled; the Lord alone will be exalted in that day” (Isaiah 2:17). The ultimate or final fulfillment of the prophecies concerning the day of the Lord will come at the end of history when God, with wondrous power, will punish evil and fulfill all His promises.

https://www.gotquestions.org/day-of-the-Lord.html

 

[dirtfarmer]

Question: "What is the day of the Lord?"

Answer: The phrase “day of the Lord” usually identifies events that take place at the end of history (Isaiah 7:18-25) and is often closely associated with the phrase “that day.” One key to understanding these phrases is to note that they always identify a span of time during which God personally intervenes in history, directly or indirectly, to accomplish some specific aspect of His plan.

Most people associate the day of the Lord with a period of time or a special day that will occur when God’s will and purpose for His world and for mankind will be fulfilled. Some scholars believe that the day of the Lord will be a longer period of time than a single day—a period of time when Christ will reign throughout the world before He cleanses heaven and earth in preparation for the eternal state of all mankind. Other scholars believe the day of the Lord will be an instantaneous event when Christ returns to earth to redeem His faithful believers and send unbelievers to eternal damnation.


The phrase “the day of the Lord” is used often in the Old Testament (e.g. Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and several times in the New Testament (e.g. Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14).

The Old Testament passages dealing with the day of the Lord often convey a sense of imminence, nearness, and expectation: “Wail, for the day of the Lord is near!” (Isaiah 13:6); “For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near” (Ezekiel 30:3); “Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming. It is close at hand” (Joel 2:1); “Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision” (Joel 3:14); “Be silent before the Lord God! For the day of the Lord is near” (Zephaniah 1:7). This is because the Old Testament passages referring to the day of the Lord often speak of both a near and a far fulfillment, as does much of Old Testament prophecy. Some Old Testament passages that refer to the day of the Lord describe historical judgments that have already been fulfilled in some sense (Isaiah 13:6-22; Ezekiel 30:2-19; Joel 1:15, 3:14; Amos 5:18-20; Zephaniah 1:14-18), while others refers to divine judgments that will take place toward the end of the age (Joel 2:30-32; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:1, 5).

The New Testament calls it a day of “wrath,” a day of “visitation,” and the “great day of God Almighty” (Revelation 16:14) and refers to a still future fulfillment when God’s wrath is poured out on unbelieving Israel (Isaiah 22; Jeremiah 30:1-17; Joel 1-2; Amos 5; Zephaniah 1) and on the unbelieving world (Ezekiel 38–39; Zechariah 14). The Scriptures indicate that “the day of the Lord” will come quickly, like a thief in the night (Zephaniah 1:14-15; 2 Thessalonians 2:2), and therefore Christians must be watchful and ready for the coming of Christ at any moment.

Besides being a time of judgment, it will also be a time of salvation as God will deliver the remnant of Israel, fulfilling His promise that “all of Israel will be saved” (Romans 11:26), forgiving their sins and restoring His chosen people to the land He promised to Abraham (Isaiah 10:27; Jeremiah 30:19-31, 40; Micah 4; Zechariah 13). The final outcome of the day of the Lord will be that “the arrogance of man will be brought low and the pride of men humbled; the Lord alone will be exalted in that day” (Isaiah 2:17). The ultimate or final fulfillment of the prophecies concerning the day of the Lord will come at the end of history when God, with wondrous power, will punish evil and fulfill all His promises.

https://www.gotquestions.org/day-of-the-Lord.html

hello New Day Coming, dirtfarmer here

Very good post and truthful.

dirtfarmer

 

[JLB]

Question: "What is the day of the Lord?"

Answer: The phrase “day of the Lord” usually identifies events that take place at the end of history (Isaiah 7:18-25) and is often closely associated with the phrase “that day.” One key to understanding these phrases is to note that they always identify a span of time during which God personally intervenes in history, directly or indirectly, to accomplish some specific aspect of His plan.

Most people associate the day of the Lord with a period of time or a special day that will occur when God’s will and purpose for His world and for mankind will be fulfilled. Some scholars believe that the day of the Lord will be a longer period of time than a single day—a period of time when Christ will reign throughout the world before He cleanses heaven and earth in preparation for the eternal state of all mankind. Other scholars believe the day of the Lord will be an instantaneous event when Christ returns to earth to redeem His faithful believers and send unbelievers to eternal damnation.


The phrase “the day of the Lord” is used often in the Old Testament (e.g. Isaiah 2:12; 13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5, 30:3; Joel 1:15, 2:1,11,31; 3:14; Amos 5:18,20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7,14; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi. 4:5) and several times in the New Testament (e.g. Acts 2:20; 1 Corinthians 5:5; 2 Corinthians 1:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Thessalonians 2:2; 2 Peter 3:10). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14). It is also alluded to in other passages (Revelation 6:17; 16:14).

The Old Testament passages dealing with the day of the Lord often convey a sense of imminence, nearness, and expectation: “Wail, for the day of the Lord is near!” (Isaiah 13:6); “For the day is near, even the day of the Lord is near” (Ezekiel 30:3); “Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming. It is close at hand” (Joel 2:1); “Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision” (Joel 3:14); “Be silent before the Lord God! For the day of the Lord is near” (Zephaniah 1:7). This is because the Old Testament passages referring to the day of the Lord often speak of both a near and a far fulfillment, as does much of Old Testament prophecy. Some Old Testament passages that refer to the day of the Lord describe historical judgments that have already been fulfilled in some sense (Isaiah 13:6-22; Ezekiel 30:2-19; Joel 1:15, 3:14; Amos 5:18-20; Zephaniah 1:14-18), while others refers to divine judgments that will take place toward the end of the age (Joel 2:30-32; Zechariah 14:1; Malachi 4:1, 5).

The New Testament calls it a day of “wrath,” a day of “visitation,” and the “great day of God Almighty” (Revelation 16:14) and refers to a still future fulfillment when God’s wrath is poured out on unbelieving Israel (Isaiah 22; Jeremiah 30:1-17; Joel 1-2; Amos 5; Zephaniah 1) and on the unbelieving world (Ezekiel 38–39; Zechariah 14). The Scriptures indicate that “the day of the Lord” will come quickly, like a thief in the night (Zephaniah 1:14-15; 2 Thessalonians 2:2), and therefore Christians must be watchful and ready for the coming of Christ at any moment.

Besides being a time of judgment, it will also be a time of salvation as God will deliver the remnant of Israel, fulfilling His promise that “all of Israel will be saved” (Romans 11:26), forgiving their sins and restoring His chosen people to the land He promised to Abraham (Isaiah 10:27; Jeremiah 30:19-31, 40; Micah 4; Zechariah 13). The final outcome of the day of the Lord will be that “the arrogance of man will be brought low and the pride of men humbled; the Lord alone will be exalted in that day” (Isaiah 2:17). The ultimate or final fulfillment of the prophecies concerning the day of the Lord will come at the end of history when God, with wondrous power, will punish evil and fulfill all His promises.

https://www.gotquestions.org/day-of-the-Lord.html

Question: What is the Day of the Lord.


Answer: In the context of this thread as well as this discussion.


The Day of the Lord is the Day Jesus returns to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture, and destroy the wicked, which includes the antichrist.

This is plainly taught in Thessalonians -


15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18

Three major things occur at the coming of the Lord: The Gathering of His people: Resurrection, Rapture, destruction of the false messiah.

Here is the order of those three things:

• The resurrection of the dead in Christ: the dead in Christ will rise first... 1 Thessalonians 4:16

• The Rapture: Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them... 1 Thessalonians 4:17

• The destruction of the false messiah [antichrist]: destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

JLB

 

[ezra]

the day of the Lord is when God has his day a day of judgment one might say when all hell breaks lose on earth

 

[Jim Parker]

This is what I'm aiming for.

Keep aiming and you will get there.

 

[Jim Parker]

I think Paul does a good job of teaching us what Jesus taught him about the resurrection and rapture, as well as the destruction of the false messiah, at His coming on the Day of the Lord.

The last Day.

Yes. Better than Dave Hunt.

 

[Jim Parker]

what is the "Day of the Lord"

Isa 2:12
For the day of the LORD of hosts Shall come upon everything proud and lofty,
Upon everything lifted up— And it shall be brought low—

Isa 13:6
Wail, for the day of the LORD is at hand! It will come as destruction from the Almighty.

Isa 13:9
Behold, the day of the LORD comes, Cruel, with both wrath and fierce anger,
To lay the land desolate; And He will destroy its sinners from it.

Jer 46:10
For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, A day of vengeance,
That He may avenge Himself on His adversaries.
The sword shall devour; It shall be satiated and made drunk with their blood;

Joe 1:15
Alas for the day! For the day of the LORD is at hand; It shall come as destruction from the Almighty.

Joe 2:1
Blow the trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm in My holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble; For the day of the LORD is coming, For it is at hand:

Joe 2:11
The LORD gives voice before His army, For His camp is very great;
For strong is the One who executes His word. For the day of the LORD is great and very terrible;
Who can endure it?

Amo 5:18
Woe to you who desire the day of the LORD! For what good is the day of the LORD to you?
It will be darkness, and not light.

Amo 5:20
Is not the day of the LORD darkness, and not light? Is it not very dark, with no brightness in it?

Oba 1:15
For the day of the LORD upon all the nations is near; As you have done, it shall be done to you;
Your reprisal shall return upon your own head.

1Co 5:4-5
In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

In the resurrection, the body will be raised immortal and incorruptible. It was sin that brought death and corruption to man. Jesus destroyed the power of sin and death so that all of mankind will be raised immortal and incorruptible. But...where you will be for eternity will depend on what you did in this life. Did you obey God so as to inherit eternal life or did you obey the flesh so as to inherit the second death?

In the Day of the Lord, all mankind will receive their rewards according to what was done in the body, according to whose servant each person was: God's or the devil's.

The work of Satan was to bring death and corruption (returning to dust) to the human race that was created in the image and likeness of God. He did that by enticing man to sin and the wages of sin is death. (Separation from God.)

The work of Christ was to destroy death by His own death so that all mankind will be raised from death to immortality. And Christ made it possible for anyone to be reunited with God by faith in and obedience to Him. By that faith and obedience, we become one flesh with God. We become the Bride of Christ in Whom is Life.

(repost)

 

[turnorburn]

Yes. Better than Dave Hunt.

Better than Francisco Ribera as well..,

 

[lecoop]

So many comments and threads here seem to indicate that so many people believe saved, born again Christians have to prepare to survive the great tribulation. I'm curious if I'm the only pre-tribber on this forum?

The church is not appointed to wrath and when Jesus told people to flee to the mountains in those days he's speaking to those in Judea who observe the Sabbath (read it in Matthew 24) - aka, not born again Christians.

Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Can I get an Amen?

You have my amen! It is what the good book teaches - when read and understood properly.

 

[DiscipleDave]

So many comments and threads here seem to indicate that so many people believe saved, born again Christians have to prepare to survive the great tribulation. I'm curious if I'm the only pre-tribber on this forum?

The church is not appointed to wrath and when Jesus told people to flee to the mountains in those days he's speaking to those in Judea who observe the Sabbath (read it in Matthew 24) - aka, not born again Christians.

Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Can I get an Amen?

Know you not that the Church is not appointed for wrath unless the Church puts their hands into iniquity? Is it not written you will reap what you sow, and that you will be repaid for the wrong that you do? Is it not written that if you sow to the flesh then of the flesh you SHALL reap corruption?

Tell me if a Christian sows to the flesh are they exempt from reaping corruption in the flesh? Do they make void the Word of God?

True, the Church is not appointed to wrath, UNLESS the Church has sowed to their flesh, and will reap corruption.

A True Christian is NOT appointed to wrath, UNLESS that same person sows to his/her flesh, and then they will reap what they themselves have sown, and will indeed reap corruption in their flesh, even as the Word of God plainly teaches.

This generation does greatly error in thinking because we are not appointed to wrath means we are taken up pre trib.

The Israelites were not appointed to God's wrath either, during their captivity in Egypt, yet they went through all of it, howbeit not effected by it. True Christians are not appointed to wrath as well, but that does not mean they will not witness it, or see it when it is happening. This generation believes that just because we are not appointed to wrath that must mean we are taken up before the Tribulation Period begins, that is NOT TRUE, nor is it Scriptural.

 

[dianegcook]

So many comments and threads here seem to indicate that so many people believe saved, born again Christians have to prepare to survive the great tribulation. I'm curious if I'm the only pre-tribber on this forum?

The church is not appointed to wrath and when Jesus told people to flee to the mountains in those days he's speaking to those in Judea who observe the Sabbath (read it in Matthew 24) - aka, not born again Christians.

Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Can I get an Amen?

One thing..
Whom is God pouring the wrath on?
Those who receive the mark of the beast,those that become the Great harlot.

Are you talking about the wrath of Satan?
Deceiving and possibly cause you to lose your salvation.

If I am alive during the tribulation, God protects those whom have His seal.
And still waiting on the blessed hope of His return.

Nowhere in that verse Titus 2:13, states that this so called rapture, happens before the tribulation.

 

[dianegcook]

Thank you Tessa for this view point! I totally agree about the debating. I've been caught up (no pun intended: 1 Thessalonians 4:17) in it because I'm dismayed to see so many people with worries about surviving the tribulation.

I agree that our focus should be on Jesus Christ and spreading his message of salvation to unbelievers. And in fact, if you don't mind my saying it, his commission that we go out into all the world to preach reinforces my belief in a catching away of the Church. He didn't tell us to go into all the world and preach and also start prepping to survive the coming 7 years of judgment.

John 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

The place prepared for us is in his Father's house, not the mountains in Judea or anywhere else on earth.

Climbing down from the soap box now ;)

1Thess.4:17
Nowhere in this verse says it is before the tribulation.
Although it refers to 1Cor.15:51,52
It states it happens at the last trump.
The last trump..
Rev.11:15
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of His Christ.
Rev.11:18 Thy wrath is come..give rewards unto Thy
servants, the prophets, and TO THE SAINTS.

John 14
The old writings did not have chapters and verses.
Let us pick up the subject before hand.
John 13:31-38
Speaks to His disciples about His death and resurrection.
Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now, but follow after.

John 14:4
Thomas Saith unto Him....how can we know the way?

So evidently, Thomas and the other disciples were not raptured.

Look closely at other verses.
John 14:16-21
Give you another Comforter, that He may ABIDE with you.
For He dwelleth with you, and shall be IN YOU.
I will not leave you comforter, I Will come to you.
If a man love me, and keep My words,My Father will love him, and We will come unto him and make OUR ABODE with Him.

Mansion in the Strong's Concordance
Greek#3438
Mon-ay
Meaning= Abode

Regardless, no mention of a pretrib. Rapture here.

 

[dianegcook]

i haven't studied the scriptures for quite a while so going from memory -
1. because noah was saved in the ark - and
2. because we are not appointed to suffer wrath - and
3. because the antichrist can only be revealed when HE Who holds him back is taken out of the earth -
4. and Jesus said the Holy Spirit will never leave us -

i don't see how we can still be here when the antichrist shows up - if the Holy Spirit leaves that must mean we do too

but none the less there are all kinds of pre-trib tribulations that we need God's help to get through - any kind of serious trouble is a type of tribulation - and only God can help us through the many troubles that come our way in this life

1. Noah did not leave this earth, God gave him foreknowledge that a flood was coming, protected him
The first ones that WERE TAKEN perished.

2. No He is not mad at us, why will the wrath fall on us?
The wrath falls on whom?

3. Must be referring to 2Thess.2:6,7
He who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
Letteth is a transit verb, sticks to subject, the son of perdition, Satan.
Michael (he) holds (Letteth)Satan
Michael
will kick Satan out.Rev.12:7-9
Michael cast him out along with his angels on earth.
Yep, the Lord shall consume him with the Spirit of His mouth. Taken out of the way.
4.I don't see the Spirit leaving...

 

[lisa-in-FL]

1Thess.4:17
Nowhere in this verse says it is before the tribulation.
Although it refers to 1Cor.15:51,52
It states it happens at the last trump.
The last trump..
Rev.11:15
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of His Christ.
Rev.11:18 Thy wrath is come..give rewards unto Thy
servants, the prophets, and TO THE SAINTS.

John 14
The old writings did not have chapters and verses.
Let us pick up the subject before hand.
John 13:31-38
Speaks to His disciples about His death and resurrection.
Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now, but follow after.

John 14:4
Thomas Saith unto Him....how can we know the way?

So evidently, Thomas and the other disciples were not raptured.

Look closely at other verses.
John 14:16-21
Give you another Comforter, that He may ABIDE with you.
For He dwelleth with you, and shall be IN YOU.
I will not leave you comforter, I Will come to you.
If a man love me, and keep My words,My Father will love him, and We will come unto him and make OUR ABODE with Him.

Mansion in the Strong's Concordance
Greek#3438
Mon-ay
Meaning= Abode

Regardless, no mention of a pretrib. Rapture here.

You're entitled to your opinion but I'm not sure why Thomas and the disciples not being raptured have to do with anything. I don't think the parables about marriage suppers and wise virgins and other wedding related comparisons to Christ and the church are a coincidence. He's not going to leave his bride in a house of horrors for 7 years and then invite us to a party.
I'm planning on being at the marriage supper of the Lamb during the Tribulation. I'll try to save you some leftovers.

 

[dianegcook]

You're entitled to your opinion but I'm not sure why Thomas and the disciples not being raptured have to do with anything. I don't think the parables about marriage suppers and wise virgins and other wedding related comparisons to Christ and the church are a coincidence. He's not going to leave his bride in a house of horrors for 7 years and then invite us to a party.
I'm planning on being at the marriage supper of the Lamb during the Tribulation. I'll try to save you some leftovers.

Does the marriage supper of the Lamb take place during the tribulation?
Rev.19:2
Judged the Great harlot..
Rev.19:7
The marriage of the Lamb is come..
Rev.19:14
Armies which were in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, yep those whom were slain.

Rev.6:9-11
White robes were given unto everyone of them, that they shall rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also should be killed as they were..

Rev.19:17,18
Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the Great God.
That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, flesh of mighty men, flesh of horses, flesh of all men.

You can have my portion! Lol

10 virgins?
Matt.25:1-12
5 wise 5 foolish
5foolish had no oil, (anointing )
They had to go where they buy or sell, ( had to receive the mark to buy or sell)

While they went to buy, the bridegroom came.
The door was shut, then the foolish said, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Then He answered, I know you not...
They became harlots, no longer a virgin bride, they received the mark.
Laid up with Satan, spiritually speaking.

As in Matt.7:21-23
Not everyone that Saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom, but he that Doeth the will of My Father.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord,Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name?, cast out devils...
Then will I profess unto them, I never knew you.

 

[dianegcook]

Also take a look at the 2 churches that He found no fault in. Smyrna and Philadelphia.
Rev.2:9,10
I know thy works, and tribulations, and poverty...I know the blasphemy of them which say they are News, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried, and ye shall have tribulation 10 days, be thou faithful un to death and I will give thee a crown of Life.
10 days individually.

Rev.3:10
Keep thee from the hour of TEMPTATION,
Yep, I will not find Satan tempting!
Mark 13:11
When they deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, do not premeditate , but whatsoever shall be given you IN THAT HOUR, speak ye, for it is not ye that speak, but the HOLY SPIRIT.

 

[John Prewett]

You're entitled to your opinion but I'm not sure why Thomas and the disciples not being raptured have to do with anything. I don't think the parables about marriage suppers and wise virgins and other wedding related comparisons to Christ and the church are a coincidence. He's not going to leave his bride in a house of horrors for 7 years and then invite us to a party.
I'm planning on being at the marriage supper of the Lamb during the Tribulation. I'll try to save you some leftovers.

I advise all to aspire to be in heaven among "those who have the victory over the beast"

" I saw another great and marvelous sign in heaven: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete. 2 And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God." Revelation 15:1-2

It will not be a "house of horrors" for Jesus's people who will serve Jesus IN POWER during a portion of the 3.5 year reign of the Beast.

Moses sent out 12 spies [Numbers 13,14].
Ten came back and made people fearful by focusing on how big and powerful the inhabitants were. Two came back and reported the land was good and with God's help they could take it. Guess which spies got blessed.
Great opportunity is set before us. Opportunity to REIGN WITH CHRIST
If one does not aspire to reign with Christ, then YOU have a problem with God.
Hope and pray you pray and get it fixed.
Forget "rapture" and aspire to be among the following:
"And I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them. And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded <-- Not “raptured”
for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
Revelation 20:4

 

[medievalglo]

I'm holding to what I have believed through my life, and I KNOW I haven't missed His return yet, but I also KNOW HE WON'T forget me! I just love Jesus, and I'm holding onto and growing in that!