Like this post if you believe in pre-trib rapture of the church!

[JLB]

I'm holding to what I have believed through my life, and I KNOW I haven't missed His return yet, but I also KNOW HE WON'T forget me! I just love Jesus, and I'm holding onto and growing in that!

Amen.


He is returning at the end of the age for His Church, and with His Church.




JLB

 

[Randy]

Also take a look at the 2 churches that He found no fault in. Smyrna and Philadelphia.
Rev.2:9,10
I know thy works, and tribulations, and poverty...I know the blasphemy of them which say they are News, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried, and ye shall have tribulation 10 days, be thou faithful un to death and I will give thee a crown of Life.
10 days individually.

Rev.3:10
Keep thee from the hour of TEMPTATION,
Yep, I will not find Satan tempting!
Mark 13:11
When they deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, do not premeditate , but whatsoever shall be given you IN THAT HOUR, speak ye, for it is not ye that speak, but the HOLY SPIRIT.

your free to believe in a pretrib rapture but I think you are mistaken.
Who then are those alive on earth at the 2nd coming that are caught up and clothed with immortality?

A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

 

[JLB]

This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

Yes!

May God strengthen us with patient endurance to be faithful to Him, even unto death.


Amen



JLB

 

[medievalglo]

If we are ready for Him NOW, we are ready for Him any time He is sent by the Father. We're good. We love Jesus. God asks us to Believe in Christ. I'm going to keep it simple. He just wants us to love Jesus, and everything else falls into place.

 

[JLB]

If we are ready for Him NOW, we are ready for Him any time He is sent by the Father. We're good. We love Jesus. God asks us to Believe in Christ. I'm going to keep it simple. He just wants us to love Jesus, and everything else falls into place.

Amen. Love Jesus.


Good word!


They way we love Jesus is by obeying Him.


By obeying His command to love His people.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3


again



If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.
1 John 4:20-21





JLB

 

[John Prewett]

Amen. He is returning at the end of the age for His Church, and with His Church. JLB

Quite the people pleaser position.

However, it's impossible for Christ to return BOTH "for" and "with" His Church.

Fact is, Paul predicted in his era Jesus would return for His Church.

Whereas, Revelation reveals in our era Jesus is coming back with His Church.

People who choose to misunderstand this remain ignorant of what is to soon come.

 

[dianegcook]

your free to believe in a pretrib rapture but I think you are mistaken.
Who then are those alive on earth at the 2nd coming that are caught up and clothed with immortality?

A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

I don't believe in the pretrib rapture, lol.
Must be some kind of misunderstanding.

My last post was referring to the churches, they were still here, having tribulation, cast in prison.

 

[lisa-in-FL]

Quite the people pleaser position.

However, it's impossible for Christ to return BOTH "for" and "with" His Church.

Fact is, Paul predicted in his era Jesus would return for His Church.

Whereas, Revelation reveals in our era Jesus is coming back with His Church.

People who choose to misunderstand this remain ignorant of what is to soon come.

Common mistake made is assuming that Jesus coming for his church is the same as his return on the Mount of Olives. Its a meeting in the clouds.

In Revelation the marriage supper happens before Christ returns with his army. It would be difficult to have that celebration if the Church was trapped with the antichrist on earth, no?

 

[medievalglo]

We meet our Sweet Jesus when we see Him in the Sky!!
We meet our Sweet Jesus in the TWINKLING of an Eye!!

 

[John Prewett]

Common mistake made is assuming that Jesus coming for his church is the same as his return on the Mount of Olives. Its a meeting in the clouds.

In Revelation the marriage supper happens before Christ returns with his army. It would be difficult to have that celebration if the Church was trapped with the antichrist on earth, no?

The "meeting in the clouds" and "marriage supper" you refer to happened some 2000 years ago. Like many, you are ignoring/discounting the Revelation, ... particularly Revelation chapter 15.

The saved of our era will "overcome the Beast" and upon being beheaded will gather with Jesus as per Revelation 15. Then the overcomers of the Beast (IOW the saved, IOW Jesus's people) will follow Jesus back to this earth as per Revelation 19

The saved of our era will not 'rise to meet Jesus in the air' when He comes as per Rev 19.

Rather when Jesus comes in power,
the saved of our era will already be risen and with Christ as per Rev 15.

"I saw another great and marvelous sign in heaven: ...... 2 And I saw what looked like a sea of glass mixed with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God. 3 Rev 15:1-3

 

[Randy]

Common mistake made is assuming that Jesus coming for his church is the same as his return on the Mount of Olives. Its a meeting in the clouds.

In Revelation the marriage supper happens before Christ returns with his army. It would be difficult to have that celebration if the Church was trapped with the antichrist on earth, no?

Great supper of God
And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

Who are those that are gathered, (caught up), up on the last day from the ends of the earth and clothed with immortality?

 

[John Prewett]

"I say to you that many will come from the east and west and will dine with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven" Matt 8:11
The Matt 8:11 marriage supper took place about 2000 years ago.

Revelation 19:7-9 reveals another marriage supper "

(as I was typing my immediately above (12:09 PM) post I forgot about the Rev 19 marriage supper ..... now too late to edit it)

"....for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.
8 It was granted her to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white.” Fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints. 9 Then he said to me,
“Write: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.”
Rev 19:7-9

I'm confident the blessed who are invited to the Rev 19:9 marriage supper
are the same overcomers/saved who gather with Jesus as per Revelation 15.
Same overcomers/saved who will "reign with Christ" as per Rev 20:4

The "overcomers" of Rev 15 are the saved of OUR era. " those who had been beheaded for their witness of Jesus and for the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. "

This "overcomer/saved" group would not include people from previous generations unless the previous generation person were brought back from the dead into this world in time to be beheaded during the reign of the Beast.

I'm confident there will be many brought back from the dead into this world in time to be beheaded during the reign of the Beast, thus in time to end up "reigning with Christ" the 1000 years.

Before you deny dead will be raised ......... note:

"Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, ......." Matt 10:8
"The blind receive their sight and the lame walk, ...... the dead are raised up, ....."
Matt 11:5
"Women received their dead raised to life again...." Hebrews 11:35

 

[Randy]

Common mistake made is assuming that Jesus coming for his church is the same as his return on the Mount of Olives. Its a meeting in the clouds.

In Revelation the marriage supper happens before Christ returns with his army. It would be difficult to have that celebration if the Church was trapped with the antichrist on earth, no?

Or a common understanding.
The last day.
Rev:16:15
“Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

Just as He taught.

 

[dianegcook]

Common mistake made is assuming that Jesus coming for his church is the same as his return on the Mount of Olives. Its a meeting in the clouds.

In Revelation the marriage supper happens before Christ returns with his army. It would be difficult to have that celebration if the Church was trapped with the antichrist on earth, no?

1Thess.4:14
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God BRING WITH HIM.
He is coming here.
No mention of it being before the tribulation.

Meet the Lord in the air, breathe, spirit.
We all will change.
Clouds?
Cloud of witnesses, like a cloud of locusts, Heb.12:1

Rev.1:7
Behold He cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see Him, and they also which pierced Him, and all kindred of the earth shall wail because of Him.

In Rev.19:2
The Great harlot was judged, this is after the trib.
Then, Rev.19:7 the marriage is come.

But to each his own. Peace

 

[Randy]

Again: who are those alive on earth when Jesus sends out His angels to gather from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens? Those caught up and clothed with immortality.They are Christians. Rev 11 is a sign that cant be mistaken. 1260 days of testimony in the city where their Lord was crucified. They have authority to shut up the sky's so it doesn't rain for those 1260 days. After their testimony is completed they are killed by the beast. If any in those days has even a shred of faith and Love for God they can believe. This is the beginning of the great tribulation for then the beast is in the world and is in Jerusalem. And He is filled with wrath for His time is short. Those they take joy in the killing of the two witnesses will never repent for God sends them the powerful delusion of the beast so they will believe the lie and be condemned with the beast. For they love to do evil and have refused to believe and repent. There is no further repentance for those that rejected Gods last warning and testimony. Rev 11

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

There are already a great number in heaven who belong to Jesus. Those that died before Jesus came and were grandfathered into Christ and those that have believed in Him during the last 2000 years. All those the Father has given Him.

We know the bowl judgments are the last of Gods judgments and are the judgments that plunge the beasts kingdom into darkness for it was given in the testimony.

 

[John Prewett]

Scads who call themselves "Christian" and think they know what is coming .... really don't know what's coming, because they fail to understand that Paul wrote of the end time of ancient Israel .... NOT about OUR 2000 year later "end time."

Paul's 1 Thess 4:16-18 prediction about Jesus coming for the saved .... and Jesus's Matt 24:31 prediction of what Jesus would do HAS ALREADY HAPPENED.

“… this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.”
Matt 24:34

The Revelation 13->forward alone reveals OUR end time sequence of events.

The saved of OUR era will refuse to worship the Beast/image and will refuse to take the "mark" and will not resist being BEHEADED by minions of the Beast.

Upon being beheaded, the saved will meet in heaven with Jesus (as per Revelation 15). Then shortly later will follow Jesus back to this earth (Rev 19) .... and "reign with Christ"

The real day of "rapture" is when the blade falls and the saint leaves their body and is fully united with Jesus and the other saints.

The real "blessed hope" is to "reign with Christ"

"I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and the authority to judge was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness of Jesus and for the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands.
They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years."
Revelation 20:4

 

[Nathan12]

The Day of the Lord is the Day Jesus returns to gather His people at the resurrection and rapture, and destroy the wicked, which includes the antichrist.

You have confused "the Day of Christ" with the "Day of the LORD".

The Day of Christ = Salvation completed

The Day of the LORD = God's wrath completed

 

[JLB]

You have confused "the Day of Christ" with the "Day of the LORD".

The Day of Christ = Salvation completed

The Day of the LORD = God's wrath completed

The coming of the Lord is when the resurrection of the dead in Christ, and the rapture as well as the destruction of the wicked occurs.



If you want to believe their is a difference in Jesus Christ and The Lord, then that’s your business.


Nevertheless the facts don’t change what happens At the coming of the Lord.




JLB

 

[Kkamagwi]

So many comments and threads here seem to indicate that so many people believe saved, born again Christians have to prepare to survive the great tribulation. I'm curious if I'm the only pre-tribber on this forum?

The church is not appointed to wrath and when Jesus told people to flee to the mountains in those days he's speaking to those in Judea who observe the Sabbath (read it in Matthew 24) - aka, not born again Christians.

Titus 2:13 - Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Can I get an Amen?

I don't believe in the rapture.

 

[JLB]

I don't believe in the rapture.

• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.

This is the “rapture” whereby those who are alive are caught up together with the resurrected ones.




For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17-18






JLB