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List of words that do not belong in scriptures.

CherubRam

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List of words that do not belong in scriptures.

Angel in place of messenger.
Cross in place of stake.
Lucifer in place of Morning Star.
Hades in place of grave.
Tartarus also in place of grave.
Hell in place of grave and Gehenna.
Hell in one place for pit.
“The Lord” in place of God's name, Yahwah.
God in place of Elohiym.
Jesus in place of Yahshua.
James in place of Jacob.
Prince in place of minister.
Church in place of congregation.
Easter in place of Passover.
Armageddon or Har-Magedon in place of Mount Of The Congregation Zion.
“love feasts” in place of devotions.


The translators have been putting words in God's mouth.
 
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
 
Jude 1:9 is a Gnostic insertion.

The dispute mentioned between the Archangel Michael and the Devil does not suit itself to the doctrinal views of the Sadducees since they denied the existence of angels. (Acts 23:8 states this clearly).



Quote from Holman Bible Dictionary: “Jude 1:9 refers to a dispute between the devil and Michael over Moses' body. According to Origin (A.D. 185? to 254?), this account formed part of the extra-biblical work, The Assumption of Moses . The incident is not mentioned in the surviving fragments of this work.”





In regards to verse nine in the Book of Jude:

Chrysostom and Jerome mention Jude's quoting from a non-canonical sources as the reason it being disputed by some as canonical.





From: (Nigel B. Mitchell)
Newsgroups: aus.religion.christian
Subject: Jude 9
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 05:02:02 GMT

As promised, some verifiable evidence about the background of Jude
verse 9.

In a large volume titled "The Old testament Psudepigrapha" vol. 1
(DLT, 1983) in an article introducing the text of "The Testament of
Moses (1st Century), J. Priest (pp 919ff) writes that the Testament of
Moses is a virtual rewrite of Deuteronomy 31-34. It is generally held
to have influenced the following NT passages:
Jude 9, 12-13, 2 Peter 2:13, Acts 7:36-43, Matthew 24:19-21.
"Jude 9 refers to a story of the disputes between Michael and Satan
over the body of Jesus, an account that does not appear in our text.
That the episode was contained in the lost ending of the Testament of
Moses, or in a cognate work, possibly called the Assumption of Moses,
is possible, but our present information does not warrand any positive
conclusion.
... The possibility exists that some NT authors were familiar with the
testament of Moses, but it would be better to say that both the
Testament of Moses and certain NT texts show familiarity with common
traditional material."

In the Word Biblical Commentary on Jude, 2 Peter, (Word Books, 1983),
R.J. Bauckham includes an excursus on pp. 65-76 on the sources of Jude
9. This is the most comprehensive text I could find - eleven pages on
tis one verse! It is worth looking up, if you are interested and have
access to a theological library. Bauckham details the relation of Jude
9 to OT and other sources, and writes
"There is widespread agreement that Jude's source in verse 9 was the
lost ending of a work sometimes known as the Assumption of Moses, but
more appropriately known as the Testament of Moses"
"Although the ending of the Testament of Moses is no longer extant, a
number of Christian sources seem to have preserved the substance of
the story it contained"
Sources are listed, including Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Dydimus
the Blind (!), Gelasius, ...
The article concludes that the "Assumption of Moses" is a second-
century edited version of the Testimony of Moses", and that Jude was
aware of, and alluded to, at least the tradition, if not the precise
wording of the Testimony.

Peake's commentary on the Bible, sv "Jude".
"Jude drew on the OT (Septuagint version), Enoch, and the Assumption
of Moses..."

The Epistles of James, .Peter and Jude - Anchor Bible commentary
(Doubleday 1980).
Bo Reicke writes "According to well known authorities of the early
Church like Clement, Origen and others, the reference to Michael's
contention with the Devil comes from an apocryphal intertestamental
book entitled "The Assumption of Moses". (p. 202)

Introducton to the New testament (SCM Press, 1983)
R.F. Collins writes "... the small letter of Jude cites both the
Apocalypse of Moses (Jude 8-9) and 1 Enoch (Jude 14-15) in a
reverential manner..." (page 10)

Jude and the relatives of Jesus in the early Church (T&T Clark 1990)
R Bauckham (I think the same person who wrote the Word commentary)
writes
"According to the Alexandrian Fathers... the story of the dispute over
the body of Moses, to which Jude 9 refers, was contained in an
apocryphal work called the Assumption of Moses.
... some 19th century scholars took the account of Jude to be a
factual one, ...and denied any dependence on the Assumption of Moses,
which [they] argued was a second century Christian work based on Jude"
(p 141)
Bauckham concludes that it is most likely that Jude used the lost
ending of the Testament of Moses, and that "The story in this version
can be reconstituted [from extant sources] with some confidence"
(p.144).

The above shows that the matter of the background of Jude 9 is by no
means an easy or simple matter. I could not find any texts which dealt
with Jude 9 and did not mention the Testament/Assumption/Apocalypse of
Moses, and only Bauckham's incidental reference suggested that there
was any likelihood that Jude wrote without getting his information
from the written or oral Jewish tradition.

What I have collected above is the kind of evidence with which
scholars work. It still leaves many questions and possibilities open,
but points towards a fairly strong consensus that Jude 9 is an
allusion to a Jewish pseudepigraphal work which was well known to both
Jude and his readers.

Cheers

N+

Nigel B. Mitchell
 
List of words that do not belong in scriptures.

Angel in place of messenger.
Cross in place of stake.
Those two are fine.

Lucifer in place of Morning Star.
Agreed, but that's just the KJV.

Hades in place of grave.
It's fine.

Tartarus also in place of grave.
It isn't.

Hell in place of grave and Gehenna.
Agreed on the first, the second is fine.

Hell in one place for pit.
Would have to see the context.

“The Lord” in place of God's name, Yahwah.
It's fine, since we don't know the pronunciation anyway.

God in place of Elohiym.
Jesus in place of Yahshua.
James in place of Jacob.
Those are fine.

Prince in place of minister.
Where is this?

Church in place of congregation.
It's fine.

Easter in place of Passover.
Agreed, but that's just the KJV.

Armageddon or Har-Magedon in place of Mount Of The Congregation Zion.
It's fine.

“love feasts” in place of devotions.
It's fine.

The translators have been putting words in God's mouth.
Not really.
 
Those two are fine.


Agreed, but that's just the KJV.


It's fine.


It isn't.


Agreed on the first, the second is fine.


Would have to see the context.


It's fine, since we don't know the pronunciation anyway.


Those are fine.


Where is this?


It's fine.


Agreed, but that's just the KJV.


It's fine.


It's fine.


Not really.
Angel is the Greek messenger goddess of Hell. The Origin of the word Angel is from Greek Mythology.
Love feast means the same today as it did back then. An orgy.
In order to fulfill prophecy the Messiah had to die on a (post / stake.)
If Yahshua died on a cross, then he did not fulfill prophecy.

A cross is the mark of the (beast / nation.)
On Lent the cross is made on the forehead or right hand. The sign of the cross is also made with the right hand.

I presume that you think adding Paganism to the bible is a good thing.
 
Angel is the Greek messenger goddess of Hell. The Origin of the word Angel is from Greek Mythology.
Can you provide support for this?

Love feast means the same today as it did back then. An orgy.
Can you provide support for this?

In order to fulfill prophecy the Messiah had to die on a (post / stake.)
If Yahshua died on a cross, then he did not fulfill prophecy.
No, the prophecy was being hung on a tree. Jesus wasn't hanged and he wasn't hanged from a tree, so any argument to post/stake is rather pointless.

A cross is the mark of the (beast / nation.)
On Lent the cross is made on the forehead or right hand. The sign of the cross is also made with the right hand.
That doesn't mean it is the mark of the beast. Do you really think all the unbelievers are going to go to walk around with crosses on their foreheads or make the sign of the cross in order to buy or sell?

I presume that you think adding Paganism to the bible is a good thing.
Not necessarily, but you first have to prove that paganism was, in fact, added.
 
Can you provide support for this?


Can you provide support for this?


No, the prophecy was being hung on a tree. Jesus wasn't hanged and he wasn't hanged from a tree, so any argument to post/stake is rather pointless.


That doesn't mean it is the mark of the beast. Do you really think all the unbelievers are going to go to walk around with crosses on their foreheads or make the sign of the cross in order to buy or sell?


Not necessarily, but you first have to prove that paganism was, in fact, added.
Angelos is Angel


Love feast = Orgy.

Catholics would not buy from non-catholic Christians, and non- catholic Christians could not sell to them.


Parable of Christ being a sin offering on a pole.

Numbers 21:8
The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.”

Numbers 21:9
So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.
 
List of words that do not belong in scriptures.

Angel in place of messenger.
Cross in place of stake.
Lucifer in place of Morning Star.
Hades in place of grave.
Tartarus also in place of grave.
Hell in place of grave and Gehenna.
Hell in one place for pit.
“The Lord” in place of God's name, Yahwah.
God in place of Elohiym.
Jesus in place of Yahshua.
James in place of Jacob.
Prince in place of minister.
Church in place of congregation.
Easter in place of Passover.
Armageddon or Har-Magedon in place of Mount Of The Congregation Zion.
“love feasts” in place of devotions.


The translators have been putting words in God's mouth.
God has told long before your time, that people who do not consent to the wholesome words of our Lord Jesus Christ, but instead dote about questions of words and strifes of words, bring envy strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputes of men of corrupt minds, they must be withdrawn from God, as God tells to withdraw from them. ( destitute of the truth.)


1 Timothy 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
 
List of words that do not belong in scriptures.

Angel in place of messenger.
Cross in place of stake.
Lucifer in place of Morning Star.
Hades in place of grave.
Tartarus also in place of grave.
Hell in place of grave and Gehenna.
Hell in one place for pit.
“The Lord” in place of God's name, Yahwah.
God in place of Elohiym.
Jesus in place of Yahshua.
James in place of Jacob.
Prince in place of minister.
Church in place of congregation.
Easter in place of Passover.
Armageddon or Har-Magedon in place of Mount Of The Congregation Zion.
“love feasts” in place of devotions.


The translators have been putting words in God's mouth.
All of that is because of…
Pastors in place of shepherds

(btw: both ‘Lucifer’ & ‘morning star’ are incorrect… Jerome couldn’t figure out the Hebrew word, so one was inserted that looked similar. He knew it was wrong, but he just couldn’t figure it out)
 
All of that is because of…
Pastors in place of shepherds

(btw: both ‘Lucifer’ & ‘morning star’ are incorrect… Jerome couldn’t figure out the Hebrew word, so one was inserted that looked similar. He knew it was wrong, but he just couldn’t figure it out)
The Pleiades is a parable for "The Seven Stars." There were seven visible, but now only six are. It seems that a lampstick has been removed.

Revelation 2:5
Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand (lampstick) from its place.
 
All of that is because of…
Pastors in place of shepherds

(btw: both ‘Lucifer’ & ‘morning star’ are incorrect… Jerome couldn’t figure out the Hebrew word, so one was inserted that looked similar. He knew it was wrong, but he just couldn’t figure it out)
I was wondering why I have to make a stand, while other Christians have remained silent. Someone must have known something.
 
I was wondering why I have to make a stand, while other Christians have remained silent. Someone must have known something.
Sure they know. That’s why there are so many different variations of doctrines… theologians, authors, & speakers all count on the people in the pews not understanding scripture any more than they do. They create doctrines to explain what they don’t understand, and sell it to people as the “most scholarly research,” blah, blah, blah. Their trends and buzzwords start ending up in scripture when bible publishers take notice… and/or, they get a deal to have their name on a bible. “The ——— Study Bible” Lots of money in being able to manipulate words and ideas. Most people believe every word from the pulpit.
 
Sure they know. That’s why there are so many different variations of doctrines… theologians, authors, & speakers all count on the people in the pews not understanding scripture any more than they do. They create doctrines to explain what they don’t understand, and sell it to people as the “most scholarly research,” blah, blah, blah. Their trends and buzzwords start ending up in scripture when bible publishers take notice… and/or, they get a deal to have their name on a bible. “The ——— Study Bible” Lots of money in being able to manipulate words and ideas. Most people believe every word from the pulpit.
I have spoke in person to some Christians, and they remark that this is the first they have heard of such things. I think Christians rely to much on the Pastor. If the leader of the sheep goes over the cliff, the other sheep follow. Another problem I have is Christians saying they do not need to read what I wrote, because they already know that I am wrong. Getting Christians to agree is like herding cats; they are all over the place.
 
Did you know that Hell was never a teaching in Orthodox Judaism. Yahshua and the Disciples were Orthodox Jews.

Did Christ come to introduce Paganism into Orthodox Judaism? Absolutely not.

The Catholics canonized scriptures.

Pope Gregory and Paganism.
The attitude of the Catholic Church toward paganism is best summed up by Pope Gregory the Great, in his words to a missionary: “You must not interfere with any traditional belief or religious observance that can be harmonized with Christianity.”
Pope Gregory 540 – 12 March 604.

Not only were the Congregations divided by Gnosticism, but enticed by philosophy and paganism also, and there were geographic divisions as well.

What were the Pagan beliefs harmonized with Christianity?
 
List of words that do not belong in scriptures.

Angel in place of messenger.
Cross in place of stake.
Lucifer in place of Morning Star.
Hades in place of grave.
Tartarus also in place of grave.
Hell in place of grave and Gehenna.
Hell in one place for pit.
“The Lord” in place of God's name, Yahwah.
God in place of Elohiym.
Jesus in place of Yahshua.
James in place of Jacob.
Prince in place of minister.
Church in place of congregation.
Easter in place of Passover.
Armageddon or Har-Magedon in place of Mount Of The Congregation Zion.
“love feasts” in place of devotions.


The translators have been putting words in God's mouth.
Thankfully, Christianity isn't about arguing about words. It's about having the Holy Spirit in you and being like Jesus.

At the Judgment we won't be judged to see if we used precise and right words about God and the faith. We will be judged on whether or not we lived righteously in this life, showing us to have had faith in God's promise, the gospel message.
 
Thankfully, Christianity isn't about arguing about words. It's about having the Holy Spirit in you and being like Jesus.

At the Judgment we won't be judged to see if we used precise and right words about God and the faith. We will be judged on whether or not we lived righteously in this life, showing us to have had faith in God's promise, the gospel message.
Are you saying it is OK for Christians to join Paganism to God?
 
Love feast means the same today as it did back then. An orgy.
No, because the Greek word for 'love feasts' used in Jude 1:12 is 'agapais', based on the word 'agapao', the Greek verb for loving in the selfless and unconditional way that God loves, the very antithesis of sinful sexual pleasure. We know that love as the noun 'agape'. So, no, 'agapais' in no way means by definition an orgy.

Now if they conducted their agapais like an orgy that's another thing altogether, and it's certainly possible to do that. But that in no way makes it so the word agapais means orgy.
 
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Are you saying it is OK for Christians to join Paganism to God?
No.

You would have to actually join paganism to God to be guilty of that. Mistakenly using words that don't actually represent the intended meaning does not automatically and categorically mean you are worshipping demons. You have to actually worship a demon to be worshipping a demon.
 
No, because the Greek word for 'love feasts' used in Jude 1:12 is 'agapais', based on the word 'agapao', the Greek verb for loving in the selfless and unconditional way that God loves, the very antithesis of sinful sexual pleasure. We know that love best as the noun 'agape'. So, no, 'agapais' in no way means an orgy.

Now if they conducted their agapais like an orgy that's another thing altogether, and it's certainly possible to do that. But that in no way makes it so the word agapais means orgy.
“love feasts” in place of devotions. AKA as a Pot Luck.

Why did they not say devotional feast?
 
No.

You would have to actually join paganism to God to be guilty of that. Mistakenly using words that don't actually represent the intended meaning does not automatically and categorically mean you are worshipping demons. You have to actually worship a demon to be worshipping a demon.
God is represented in the bible, by the bible. What is added to the scriptures is added to God.
 
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