Jethro Bodine
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Because the Greek word being used there is referring to 'agape' (love), not devotion.Why did they not say devotional feast?
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Because the Greek word being used there is referring to 'agape' (love), not devotion.Why did they not say devotional feast?
By 'added' you mean what is added for the purpose of meaning and interpretation. As long as imperfect interpretation doesn't lead you away from faith in the gospel message and into unbelief, arguing about words is just a curious adventure. It's interesting, but really has no practical use. Faith in Christ is not about being careful to use correct interpretations of words. We're not going to be judged in regard to that.God is represented in the bible, by the bible. What is added to the scriptures is added to God.
Pure love is a devotion. Anyway, where do you see the word "feast?" Then and now a Love Feast is an orgy.Because the Greek word being used there is referring to 'agape' (love), not devotion.
So what about more important matters such as the cross or angels? Or what what about corrupting Christ name?By 'added' you mean what is added for the purpose of meaning and interpretation. As long as imperfect interpretation doesn't lead you away from faith in the gospel message and into unbelief, arguing about words is just a curious adventure. It's interesting, but really has no practical use. Faith in Christ is not about being careful to use correct interpretations of words. We're not going to be judged in regard to that.
Pope Gregory and Paganism.
The attitude of the Catholic Church toward paganism is best summed up by Pope Gregory the Great, in his words to a missionary: “You must not interfere with any traditional belief or religious observance that can be harmonized with Christianity.”
Pope Gregory 540 – 12 March 604.
Love feast = Orgy.
A Day of Lust, Not Love
Valentine's Day, firmly rooted in paganism, concentrates on lust and sexual immorality, which are contrary to the way of life that pleases God.www.cgg.org
Saving faith is not defined as knowing with certainty what Jesus was crucified on. Saving faith is knowing with certainty that he was crucified, and that he rose from the dead.So what about more important matters such as the cross or angels? Or what what about corrupting Christ name?
Apparently, 'feasts' is implied in the Greek word itself and so it's understood by the word itself to mean 'feasts' by the Greek speaking people of the time. But for our sake, translators have to write it in a redundant fashion so we'll know 'agapais' means 'love feasts', or a 'feasts of love'. But the Greeks understood what kind of love the feasts were about by the fact that the word is based on the Greek word for selfless, unconditional love 'agapao', not physical sexual love 'eros'.Pure love is a devotion. Anyway, where do you see the word "feast?" Then and now a Love Feast is an orgy.
Jesus in place of Yahshua.
"And while we’re putting some myths to rest, here’s another one that needs to bite the dust: namely, the myth that the original Hebrew-Aramaic name of Jesus was Yahshua. In reality, there is no such name in the Hebrew language, and those of us who deny that Yahshua was His name are not part of some secret conspiracy to suppress the divine name. The truth is, His name was Yeshua—not Yahshua, which, to repeat, is a fabricated, non-existent name—and we don’t glorify the Lord or help His people by manufacturing false and worthless claims.Or what what about corrupting Christ name?
And the Septuagint and NT (written in Greek) use angelos, which is then translated as "angel," or some derivative, and "messenger."Angelos is Angel
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There simply is no reason to believe what this link says. If you're going to post support for your position on such matters, then you would do well to post actual scholarly material.Love feast = Orgy.
A Day of Lust, Not Love
Valentine's Day, firmly rooted in paganism, concentrates on lust and sexual immorality, which are contrary to the way of life that pleases God.www.cgg.org
Again, history shows that Romans crucifixion was on a cross and you still have the problem that the Bible also says Jesus was hanged on a tree. If you're going to take those OT verses to support your position that Jesus died on a pole, then you must be consistent and also believe he was hanged, not crucified, from a tree, which is contradictory to a pole.Parable of Christ being a sin offering on a pole.
Numbers 21:8
The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.”
Numbers 21:9
So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived.
(Ye) stands for the pronouncing of the letter (Y) as in Y'shua. The initial letter Y stands for Yah, in the name of God."And while we’re putting some myths to rest, here’s another one that needs to bite the dust: namely, the myth that the original Hebrew-Aramaic name of Jesus was Yahshua. In reality, there is no such name in the Hebrew language, and those of us who deny that Yahshua was His name are not part of some secret conspiracy to suppress the divine name. The truth is, His name was Yeshua—not Yahshua, which, to repeat, is a fabricated, non-existent name—and we don’t glorify the Lord or help His people by manufacturing false and worthless claims.
Worse still, some believers even divide over this, claiming that if we call on the name Jesus, we are invoking the name of a pagan god (that is sick, to be blunt), or arguing that if we don’t say Yahshua, we are dishonoring the Lord (which is patently ridiculous, to put it lightly).
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The original Hebrew-Aramaic name of Jesus is Yeshua, which is short for Yehoshua (Joshua), just as Sammy is short for Samuel. (By the way, there is no such name as Yahushua, supposedly the original pronunciation for Joshua in Hebrew—again, not true!—and God’s name was never pronounced Yahua. Throw those myths in the trash bin as well.)
The name Yeshua occurs 27 times in the Hebrew Scriptures (or Old Testament), primarily referring to the high priest after the Babylonian exile, called both Yehoshua (see Zechariah 3:3) and, more frequently, Yeshua (see Ezra 3:2). So, Yeshua’s name was not unusual; in fact, as many as five different men had that name in the Old Testament, and it was a very common name in the first century of this era. Also, Syriac-Aramaic transcriptions of the name from the first centuries of this era confirm the pronunciation of Yeshua rather than the make-believe Yahshua.
About 200 years before the time of Jesus, when Greek-speaking Jewish scholars translated the Hebrew Bible into Greek (the translation was called the Septuagint), they transcribed the Hebrew Yeshua with the Greek name Iesou(s) (pronounced yeysoos), which is ultimately how we got the English name Jesus. (There was no “sh” sound in Greek, so Hebrew “sh” became Greek “s.”)
There’s nothing mysterious here, and this is just a matter of names in one language undergoing changes when they switch into another language, like Michael in English compared to Miguel in Spanish compared to Mikhael in Russian. There is no conspiracy and no cover-up.
Where, then, did the name Yahshua come from? Someone made it up!
My educated guess is that some zealous but linguistically ignorant people thought that Yahweh’s name must have been a more overt part of our Savior’s name, hence Yahshua rather than Yeshua—but again, there is no support of any kind for this theory."
https://askdrbrown.org/article/is-the-name-jesus-really-related-to-the-name-zeus
I think working against Yahwah and Yahshua is not a good thing.Saving faith is not defined as knowing with certainty what Jesus was crucified on. Saving faith is knowing with certainty that he was crucified, and that he rose from the dead.
As for angels. What does it matter what name is assigned to them? It doesn't change who and what they are and what they do in service to God and the church. And, surely, what we call them has zero bearing on our relationship with God.
And I don't see any value in knowing Jesus' precise name in whatever his language actually is. I don't think he's offended by a mispronunciation, or a misspelling in the least. He's way bigger than that.
You would not know a source if it slapped you in the face. I quoted the Pope, and you ask me for the source.Source?
And, yet, not only do you not provide scholarly support, your opinion is going against that of a Messianic Jew who is also a relevant scholar.(Ye) stands for the pronouncing of the letter (Y) as in Y'shua. The initial letter Y stands for Yah, in the name of God.
Honor His Name
For thousands of years the refusing to use a person's name has been a direct form of dishonor. Shortening the name, replacing the name, distorting the name, all are signs of dishonor.
Honorable Mention
An “honorable mention” is a title of distinction given to a person worthy of mention. Upon honoring the person their name is mentioned, so their name has a place of honor known among the people.
- Psalm 14:4
Will evildoers never learn— those who devour my people as men eat bread and who do not call on Yahwah ?
- Psalm 79:6
Pour out your wrath on the nations that do not acknowledge you, on the kingdoms that do not call on your name;
- Jeremiah 10:25
Pour out your wrath on the nations that do not acknowledge you, on the peoples who do not call on your name. For they have devoured Jacob; they have devoured him completely and destroyed his homeland.
History of the name Jesus:
The English form "Jesus" was not seen nor spoken until after the year 1525, when Sir William Tyndale, a Protestant Reformer from Oxford, England; invented it.
Yahshua worked to fulfill prophecy by establishing God's Holy Name in the New Testament. But Trinitarian Christians burned the originals to establish their own version of scriptures. If this is not true, then show me God's actual personal name in the New Testament.
Hebrews 2:12
He says, “I will declare your name to my brothers and sisters; in the assembly I will sing your praises.”
Because the Galileans always dropped their 'ayins', hence "y'shu," for which in the talmud many Jewish people use as an acronym meaning “may his name be blotted out”.
The letters in "YSHU" stood for the sentence, "Yemach Shmo u'Zikro" meaning "may his name be blotted out" (from the scroll of life). According to a Jewish proverb, the worst death is eternal anonymity.
Praise, Exalt, and Proclaim His Name
Exodus 34:5
Then Yahwah came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, Yahwah.
1 Chronicles 16:8
Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done.
Psalm 34:3
Glorify Yahwah with me; let us exalt his name together.
Psalm 68:4
Sing to God, sing in praise of his name, extol him who rides on the clouds; rejoice before him—his name is Yahwah.
Psalm 96:2
Sing to Yahwah, praise his name; proclaim his salvation day after day.
Psalm 105:1
Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done.
Psalm 148:13
Let them praise the name of Yahwah, for his name alone is exalted; his splendor is above the earth and the heavens.
Isaiah 12:4
In that day you will say: “Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done, and proclaim that his name is exalted.
Isaiah 47:4
Our Redeemer—Yahwah of Host is his name— is the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 52:6
Therefore my people will know my name; therefore in that day they will know that it is I who foretold it. Yes, it is I.”
Malachi 2:2
If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says Yahwah of Host, “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me.
Last Days.
Zechariah 13:9
This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘Yahwah is our God.’”
Luke 13:35
You won't see me again until you say blessed is he who comes in the Name of Yahwah.
Exodus 23:21
Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, because my Name is in him.
Yah-shua is Yahwah's son.
Halleluyah
You can follow Mr Brown, and I will follow Yahwah.And, yet, not only do you not provide scholarly support, your opinion is going against that of a Messianic Jew who is also a relevant scholar.
I’m going to believe Dr. Michael Brown.
The name Yahshua is made up and false; the name Jesus is just the English translation of the Greek.The name Jesus is cultivated, and the name Yahshua is not.