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Little horn or false alarm?

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Themessengeroftruth

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I've been away for a long time yet the scriptures reveals it self day by day

The mark of the beast is near. The leader of daesh is the little horn.

Please listen to me

The abomination of desolation is here and the raptured people are the ones who will soon be killed by him

Just read the related news article

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/isis-leader-al-baghdadi-erupt-volcanoes-jihad-n247801

Months ago I been telling all of u and now months later so far all of what's been told to u is happening

Don't believe me but believe the prophecies told to u before which now is unfolding before your eyes.

Please listen do not take the mark

Please don't be harden the destroyer is really here
 
Such arrogant creatures we are.... and so self-centered... to conclude that of the 40 or 50 generations (or more) that have been born, and have died, since most of the Bible was written, it is, "right now", this particular few years in time, the Bible was speaking of.

How many of you who are old enough to have any real memory of recent history has not uttered the words that the end had to be upon us every time some catastrophic global happening occurred?

Well, news flash for you....... The same thing occurred in the lives of those billions and billions of souls who went before us. They also KNEW the end was but months, or a few years, away.

And they were also wrong as they got carried away, as many of us are, trying to make a crystal ball out of Revelation, and a few other parts of the Bible.

The "warnings" throughout the Bible are NOT to get ready for a nuclear bomb, but to be aware that any one of us could breath our last breath before we finish reading this post.
 
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Themessengeroftruth said:
The abomination of desolation is here and the raptured people are the ones who will soon be killed by him
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The "raptured people" are those who have been (1) saved by grace, (2) kept by the power of God, (3) not appointed to wrath but to salvation, and (4) taken out of this earth by the Lord Jesus Christ personally before the Antichrist is allowed to take control of this earth (along with Satan). The "raptured people" will be in Heaven and not "killed by him". However, there will be Tribulation saints who will be martyred after the Church is raptured.

The "abomination of desolation" is the desecrating image which is abominable to God, and which is placed in the temple at Jerusalem when the Antichrist claims to be God Himself and causes all men (other than the martyrs) to worship that image. Please study 2 Thess 2:1-12 and Rev 13:1-18. The temple at Jerusalem must be rebuilt first, and there are serious plans to rebuild it regardless of opposition by the Arabs. The Antichrist will be a Jew claiming to be not only Messiah, but God Himself! Many will be deceived, and Muslims will probably accept him as their Mahdi.
 
Willie t
Willie T said:
Such arrogant creatures we are.... and so self-centered... to conclude that of the 40 or 50 generations (or more) that have been born, and have died, since most of the Bible was written, it is, "right now", this particular few years in time, the Bible was speaking of.

How many of you who are old enough to have any real memory of recent history has not uttered the words that the end had to be upon us every time some catastrophic global happening occurred?

Well, news flash for you....... The same thing occurred in the lives of those billions and billions of souls who went before us. They also KNEW the end was but months, or a few years, away.

And they were also wrong as they got carried away, as many of us are, trying to make a crystal ball out of Revelation, and a few other parts of the Bible.

The "warnings" throughout the Bible are NOT to get ready for a nuclear bomb, but to be aware that any one of us could breath our last breath before we finish reading this post.
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Listen to me willie t the warnings are nit just fir the wicked to turn from his wickedness

But it is also for the things to coming

Its written in the book of isaiah tell the things to come concerning my servants so that we can know you are gods. Yes do good or do evil so we can be amazed together.

Now understand when the apostle said this is the last time yes it is for i tell u they were in the last days but not the latter end of the days.

For with god one day is a thousand years and a thousand years one day

But what im telling u is different from what the apostles said in the new testiment

Im telling u yet not me but the (lord threw this vessel)

That we are in the latter end of the last days.

The reason why so many people came before and all was wrong was bcause of the scriptures for it is written many shall come in m name saying i am christ and shall say hes there or look here but go not forth.

And reason two what was written in daniel 12 sealing the words till the time of the end

The time of the end is now. So far all thats been told u from me yet not me but the lord threw me about that man

Has happened.

T was told the coalition will not stop him and it has not

It was told he shall take the kingdom by flatteries
And thats what he is doing

The captivity of egypt was told and now he declared his kingdom to stretch into egypt

Please dont believe me but for your sake believe for the prophecies told to u concerning the man months ago through this vessel that is acurring now.

Listen i cant make u believe but u no it is impossible for a man to prophesy in jesus name without it being right.

Because if the lord told a man it will happen but if the lord did not tell a man, and that mans interpretation was wrong everything he said will happen will not

Like the 100s other men whi came before saying so and so will happpen and this day it will end but all failed

Friend listen to me so far EVERYTHING told to you all months ago by me about that man

Has happened so far. Like its scary man.
 
Eugene said:
What qualities does Baghdadi exhibit that proves him to be the little horn? Please use scripture.
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Alright eugune bare with me for im on a phone and i do not have my computer so i cant qoute the scriptures with accuracy but i can tell u them and what book it is in and chaoter but verse i might have problems reciting right now but please listen

It is written in the book of daniel chapter 11

"Dispised one who they shall not give the honor of the kingdom but he shall turn and come in peacably and take the kingdom by flatterie"

Understand he is coming in peaceably for if u listen to him he is preaching peace to his follows saying if they do this or that they will have a reward in heaven"

This is peace and flatteries u have to understand yet but that word has various definitions now the bible i listens to dont use the word peaceably but it uses the word quietly for peaceable also means to behave in a quiet manner.

That man is called the invisible shiek and aka ghost.

America hardly nows anything about him

Why? Bcause it was written how he shall come in

Now i have much more to say eugune and i will tell more to u later today for right now its hard to type but i really hope u understand
 
Well, I do really feel for you guys who think you HAVE TO KNOW, and BE ALERT, in order to be accepted by God at some catastrophic ending.

I'm already as ready as any of us CAN be. And it is not from my watchfulness or my studious awareness of a coming date.... it is through something done by someone else, two thousand years ago.

Why do so many of you think there is something special you have to do to "make it?"
 
Willie T said:
Well, I do really feel for you guys who think you HAVE TO KNOW, and BE ALERT, in order to be accepted by God at some catastrophic ending.

I'm already as ready as any of us CAN be. And it is not from my watchfulness or my studious awareness of a coming date.... it is through something done by someone else, two thousand years ago.

Why do so many of you think there is something special you have to do to "make it?"
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Willie t u ask why do we have to be alert?

Understand. Whoever takes the mark of th beast that mans future is eternal fire

It does not matter how much good he did or evil he did . It does not matter if he says lord i accept u into my life or not. He took the sign he was not watching

Now with that being said understand
If a man says in his heart this is not the mark of the beast because i did not get raptured up to heaven before the little horn came and by this he took the mark . That man was not waching and he refused correction for he believed his doctrine was right not humbling him self before his god to say what if my interpretation of the rapture was wrong. He trusted in the wise men more than god for he was harden

But if he was watching searching the scriptures daily seeking god with all his heart how a man seeks riches or what ever that mans desire is then he would have known for god would have told him



Now situation 2 if says he does not have to watch for his coming because he is saved or if a man is so concerned about what is going on in his life or worldly matters. Etc and the mark of he beast came and he did not know the mark of the beast came and by this he took the mark that man future is eternal fire and he will not see another 5years on earth after he took the mark

For the mark will be impower for 3 and a half years after that the great day of the lord will come where the mountains will be thrown down.

But if that man was watching and searching he would not have taken the mark and he would be in paradise and asleep with the rest of his brothers who died in the lord in those coming days.

So u decide if it is wise for a man to watch or not but me

I rather watch and be alert
 
Malachi said:
The "raptured people" are those who have been (1) saved by grace, (2) kept by the power of God, (3) not appointed to wrath but to salvation, and (4) taken out of this earth by the Lord Jesus Christ personally before the Antichrist is allowed to take control of this earth (along with Satan). The "raptured people" will be in Heaven and not "killed by him". However, there will be Tribulation saints who will be martyred after the Church is raptured.

The "abomination of desolation" is the desecrating image which is abominable to God, and which is placed in the temple at Jerusalem when the Antichrist claims to be God Himself and causes all men (other than the martyrs) to worship that image. Please study 2 Thess 2:1-12 and Rev 13:1-18. The temple at Jerusalem must be rebuilt first, and there are serious plans to rebuild it regardless of opposition by the Arabs. The Antichrist will be a Jew claiming to be not only Messiah, but God Himself! Many will be deceived, and Muslims will probably accept him as their Mahdi.
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Brother i tell u as i told a long time friend of mine that believes the same doctrine of that u speak.

Do not be astounded if you are apart of your doctrines tribulation saints

For i tell u, there will be no disapearing before the little horn comes

And they that are to be taken for the rapture will go to the same place where jesus said in luke 17

The apostles asked where lord

And the lord said "where ever the body is thither will the eagles be gathered together"

Eagles gather to the dead
 
I got my lap top back so now i can tell you in full details but please it will not be that long, and i really hope you read it and consider all that is written in it for it is very important. i went through verse by verse

Now understand the only 2 books in the whole bible that talks about the little horn and what he will do and the beast and what he will do is the book of revelations and daniel.

there is no other book in the bible that explains in such details what that son of perdition will do except for 2 thess 2:4


Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God


Now understand daniel chapter 11

14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.(DO YOU REMEMBER THE ABDUCTIONS IN ISRAEL BACK IN JUNE BEFORE ISIS WENT INTO IRAQ?)

15 So the king of the north shall come, and cast up a mount, and take the most fenced cities: and the arms of the south shall not withstand, neither his chosen people, neither shall there be any strength to withstand.(THIS KING OF THE NORTH IS ALSO ABU BAKR AL BAGHDADI)

16 But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will, and none shall stand before him: and he shall stand in the glorious land, which by his hand shall be consumed.( WAS NOT IRAQ DESTROYED BY AL MALKI RULE?)

17 He shall also set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom, and upright ones with him; thus shall he do: and he shall give him the daughter of women, corrupting her: but she shall not stand on his side, neither be for him.(WHO WENT TO FIGHT IN IRAQ AGAINST THE FLOOD SENT BY THE DESOLATOR?)

18 After this shall he turn his face unto the isles, and shall take many: but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offered by him to cease; without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.(WHAT DID AL MALKI DO? DID HE NOT TURN TO DIFFERENT NATIONS FOR HELP IN THE FIGHT AGAINST ISIS?)

19 Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land: but he shall stumble and fall, and not be found.(WHERE IS AL MALKI NOW? DID HE NOT FALL FROM POWER? CAN WE FIND HIM?)

20 Then shall stand up in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom: but within few days he shall be destroyed, neither in anger, nor in battle.(WAS THE JIZYA TAX IMPOSED IN IRAQ DURING THE ISIS TAKE OVER? WHERE IS IT NOW?)

21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.(WAS IRAQ OR SYRIA GIVEN TO ABU BAKR AL BAGHDADI BY FORMER LEADERS OR THE PEOPLE OF THE NATION? OR DID HE OBTAIN THE KINGDOMS BY FLATTERIES?) WHO IS HE FLATTERING? READ WHAT HE IS TELLING HIS FOLLOWERS)

22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.(WAS NOT HIS ARMY LIKE A FLOOD? DID THEY NOT HAVE ARMS BEING WEAPONS? WAS NOT IRAQ AND MANY OF ISIS ENEMIES OVERTHROWN FROM BEFORE ABU BAKR AL BAGHDADI?)

23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.(LEAGUE? OR TREATY? OR AGREEMENT? BUT WITH WHO? DID NOT HE MAKE A LEAGUE WITH AL QEADA? AND SMALL PEOPLE? DID NOT ISIS START OFF WITH A SMALL PEOPLE? NOW THEIR LEADER IS THE 54 OR 57 MOST POWER PERSON ACCORDING TO FOBES DONT BELIEVE ME HERES THE LINK

http://www.forbes.com/profile/abu-bakr-al-baghdadi/

24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers’ fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.( did he not scatter the prey and spoil he recieved from taking what was not his in those land that he conquered? is not his isis fighters being paid 1000 dollars a month and the teens 150 dollars a month?)

25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.( king of the south? is it not saudi arabia? Did he not announce a new war against the rulers of saudi arabia this past thursday? look it up if you do not believe me)

26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain.(This is the prophesy of the king of the south being destroyed by his own people, for he is king and his own people that feed the portion of his meat, he is ruler they who eat his meat is his own people, they in his land they shall destroy him)

27 And both these kings’ hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table; but it shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.(this is to come it has not happened yet, i do not believe)

28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.(around this same time the mark of the beast will be approaching for at this time his heart will be against the holy covenant)

29 At the time appointed he shall return, and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter.(this is the second time he comes against the south)

30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.( chittim is an old city in the island of cyprus, some say cyprus was also called chittim in the days before us and at this time THE MARK OF THE BEAST WILL BE HERE)

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.(the abomiation that maketh desolate is the abomination of the desolator, at this time he will gain all the world and the mark of the beast will be in power)

32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.(exploits means to make full use of, but in this context it call also mean to do well, for the bible i listen to it doesnt use the word exploits but it use the word well)

33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.(BEHOLD THIS IS WHAT I BEEN TELLING YOU THIS IS THE COMING DEATH OF THE SAINTS, AT THIS TIME THE MARK OF THE BEAST WILL BE IN FULL POWER UPON THE EARTH)

34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.(remember jeremaih 25:34

Howl, ye shepherds, and cry; and wallow yourselves in the ashes, ye principal of the flock: for the days of your slaughter and of your dispersions are accomplished; and ye shall fall like a pleasant vessel? This is the days of the slaughter of the flock, this is the days of the fall of the pleasant vessel. For the holy people are the choice ones of the flock and gods elect in these coming days when daniel 11 verse 34 beings to fufill, daniel 11:34 and jeremiah 25:34 are talking about the same event. THE SLAUGHTER OF THE SAINTS BY THIS MAN)


 
35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.(revelations 2:24-26But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.But that which ye have already hold fast till I come And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations..... why does he say he that over come? it is for a trial, in the days to come the holy people will be tried and the test is this, IF YOU LOVE ME YOUR GOD THAN LOSE YOUR LIFE FOR ME AND SUFFER FOR ME AS I THE LORD HAD SUFFERED FOR THE SINS OF YOU ALL BUT THE TARES WILL NOT SUFFER FOR HIM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HIS THIS TEST WILL SEPERATE THE WHEAT FROM THE TARES FOR WHEN IT COMES TO LIFE AND DEATH A MANS HEART IS TRIED AND HIS LIPS CAN NOT HIDE MISCHEIF FOR HIS WORKS WILL SHOW IF HE LOVES GOD OR IF HE DOES NOT)



36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.( 2 THESS 2:4

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God


37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.( REVELATION 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? The dragon is his god

revelations 12:9

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. the devil is the dragon)



39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.(this is the ezekiel 38 scene and also it tells of the countries that will be over thrown by him)

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.( all 3 of these old nations are most current day jordan)

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.(The captivity of egypt, he also said he would expan his kingdom into egypt he said it thursday in a new audio released by him)

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.(He said he would expand his khalifa into libya also in the 17 min audio released on thursday of this week)

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.( right after he falls the very next verse in the scriptures the very first verse of daniel 12 is the beginning of the great day of the lord, but remember in matthew 24:29 he says

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:)


2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt

Brother i just went through all most a whole chapter of the scriptures i really hope you read it carefully and atleast put some thought in your heart about what is to come concerning this man
 
Themessengeroftruth said:
the two post above where in reply to this qoute i just didnt have my lap top at the time, please read it and i hope u take it seriously
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I'm not quite sure the intent of your warning, nor of the sureness thereof. Are you aware that the beast you describe will be destroyed? The fact that Jesus will set on His own throne, the Gentile times will cease and be overthrown as ruling in usurpation, and we in Christ will be caught up to be with Him forever, do you fully intend to enter into the suffering allowed upon the world as judgment? Thanks.
 
Eugene said:
I'm not quite sure the intent of your warning, nor of the sureness thereof. Are you aware that the beast you describe will be destroyed? The fact that Jesus will set on His own throne, the Gentile times will cease and be overthrown as ruling in usurpation, and we in Christ will be caught up to be with Him forever, do you fully intend to enter into the suffering allowed upon the world as judgment? Thanks.
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Eugene i will answer you

you say you do not know the intent of my warning yet not mines but the lords and so i will tell you.
My intent is to do the will of god, and in these days we living in the last days what is gods will? but to watch for his coming and if a man or women see's the upcoming destruction before it happens then that man now has a burden, for the lord god has set that man as a watch men over the town or city that the lord said the desolation is coming upon.
only the desolation is not just coming upon a certain land but THE WHOLE WORLD. Therefore who ever has understanding of the times under heaven, they will teach instruct and warn the people as the scripture said the holy people will do in the last days in the book of daniel chapter 11:33

And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days

and also eugene my intent is for to get as many people aware of what is coming and by this they will watch to see if what is being told to them is happening or happen in the future, so now not only is that man or women starting to believe but now he is also starting to watch.

so if i can hopefully inspire you and many others to watch and see and hopefully you believe and when that time comes you will no that the mark issued by that man is not a normal one but the mark of the beast

now with that said to answer your statement saying im not real sure of the sureness thereof

listen and understand, I know this is kind of hard to believe because this is not a common doctrine being told to you, and i am probably the first man and probably the only one that you have heard saying this foriegn doctrine about the last days.. so i am understanding to why you all will not be so sure seeing that all other prophecies about the end failed and all of them where false alarms..

But here what i am saying to you, Do not believe me, believe the scriptures and if you dont understand really the scriptures concerning the end then believe for the sake of the prophecy. For what man can come in jesus name prophesying the end of the world and if what that man says start to come to pass then you know god really did tell that man what is to come. but if a man comes in gods name saying he told him this will happen and that will happen in the last days and what that man has told you did not come to pass then you know the lord did not speak to that man but his interpretation of the scriptures was wrong and he spoke presumptiously in gods name. and that prophet is in danger for it is better for him to say i believe this will happen and not god told him this will happen

Here is what god told me, THE RAPTURE IS THE DEATH OF THE SAINTS, AND GODS PEOPLE GONNA BE KILLED DURING THE LAST DAYS,AND AFTER THE SCATTERING IS FINISHED THEN THE WORLD SHALL SHAKE. HE TOLD ME EGYPT WILL GO INTO CAPTIVITY BY THE LITTLE HORN, AND HE TOLD ME JERUSALEM WILL GO INTO CAPTIVITY AND HALF THE CITY WILL GO INTO CAPTIVITY AND JUDAH WILL GO INTO CAPTIVITY. ALL DURING THE LAST DAYS. AND HE TOLD ME ALL THAT THE LITTLE HORN WILL DO

Here is what i believe. ABU BAKR AL BAGHDADI IS THE LITTLE HORN. because god did not tell me in the scripture who that man was FOR UNLESS A MAN WATCH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW WHO THE LITTLE HORN IS FOR HE WAS NOT WATCHING TO SEE IF A MAN IN THE WORLD IS DOING WHAT GOD SAID THE LITTLE HORN WILL DO. all he told me is what the little horn will do, AND SO FAR ABU BAKR AL BAGHDADI IS DOING EVERYTHING THE SCRIPTURES SAYS THE LITTLE HORN WILL DO FROM START TO CURRENT

so for the sake of the things told to you before they happen then believe and let that be your surety, so atleast you know when the mark of the beast is in place by the second beast which had 2 horns and spoke as a dragon for al baghdadi sake, and it is told to you u can not buy or sell if you do not have the mark and u will be killed and some tortured for not taking the mark or worship his god then you know that all told to you by me was not from me but from god through this vessel.


and yes i know the beast that i speak of will be destroyed and giving to the burning flame, but that is after the scattering of the holy people..
the death of the saints is the scattering of the holy people and is the scattering the power of the holy people.

and yes i know gods elect will be caught up to him be with him forever in heaven but all those that are caught up in these days to come first they will be martyred

i believe the mystery concerning this is the verse in 1 corinthians 15:51 -52
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I believe many believe that the apostle is saying we shall not all be killed but we all shall be changed, i think this verse really caused the belief that some will be raptured up and others will suffer on earth for christ sake and after they suffer then they will be changed.

but i tell you this is a parable and even a riddle. Its not that we shall not all sleep as meaning be killed in christ but i believe that the lord really meant that we shall not all sleep having the spirit of slumber. For the world have the spirit of slumber for they that sleep can not watch for they can not see with their eyes or hear in their hearts for the lord did not open their eyes.

and there is scripture that backs up this interpretation of 1 corinthians 15:51-52

Here in romans 11:8
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Deuteronomy 29:4
But to this day the LORD has not given you a mind that understands or eyes that see or ears that hear.

Jeremiah 5:21
Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear

Mark 4:12
so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"

Matthew 13:13
This is why I speak to them in parables: "Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.

revelation 16:15
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

luke 12:39
And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.


brethen you must understand why the lord god uses the parable of a theif in the night to describe how he will return in his second coming

A thief only comes to kill destroy and to spoil as it is written and what thief comes in the day when his victims are dwelling awake in the house? but a thief only comes when they who are in the house are sleep unless they are not home.

Everybody that is in the world is in the house for the whole world is the house in the riddle, and they who are in it are they who are alive in the world. If you sleep you are not watching and if the thief comes, the thief will kill, spoil and destroy. but if you was awake and watching you would have seen the thief coming and you would have either called the police or pick up arms to defend your self against the intruder. Like wise is the day of the lord. If a man watches and does not sleep he will now what to do to escape the wrath of god.

And all who escape the wrath will be tried, and even tried to death and they will be raised when god comes for they saw the theif coming and hid them selves in the lord. for all who dies in the lord in the coming days are hid in the lord in will raise again.

Therefore i believe this is a better interpretation of the scripture in the 1 corithians

so to answer your question yes i do wish to suffer for gods sake in the coming days for all who are to be saved from the coming destruction and to reign with him for a thousand years all of them are going to be martyred and slain for for a time, even 3 and a half years




 
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and also the scripture that says the dead shall rise first

in 1 thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

i think these two scriptures 1 thess and 1 corithians really caused the confusion but understand.

for ezekiel 39 also talks about the same thing as thess just in a different way


also these verses are after the great day of the lord

7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.

14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.


now according to the scriptures they are going to be a remnant left. they are going to be people on the earth who did not take the sign and were not killed and im guessing they gone be some where in the land of israel or near it or something. These people are to fulfill the thousand year reign . but the dead in christ they who did not take the sign they are the people who will reign with christ a thousand years but there is also another flcok left on earth.

but remember god said edom moab and ammon should escape out of the little horns hand. it may be that those people will not have the option to take the mark of the beast. for it is not possible for a man to take the mark of the beast and live

so i believe that verse in 1 thess is talking about how the flock left on the earth to be upon earth when the devil is casted into the bottom less pit for a thousand years, i believe that verse is talking about how those people shall be raptured in those days for god did not say in revelations how they would be raptured he just said fire will come down from heaven


1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them

i believe 1 thess is talking about how those people in those days are to be raptured. but i can be wrong im not sure but that is what i believe
 
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Dear Themessengeroftruth, you seem to start a time-frame of events such as the rise of the little horn at the beginning of the second three and one-half years of tribulation, and then completely separate from that to a future time of the last trump at the end of the millennium.

As children of our Father, we need not be in darkness as to our destination which is our standing in Christ, we know that we which remain alive until Jesus’ coming for us shall be caught up; not killed (1 Thes 4:17), and that those that went before shall rise first (1 Thes 4:16).

What are we to watch for? Not the beast; we’ll be gone, but for lukewarmness in our walk. If you will go directly to the judgment of the church written in Rev Chapters Two & Three for the present tense viewpoint, you will discover the degeneration applied such as we read in Heb 10:25 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works of Heb 10:24. Rev 4:1 begins the viewpoint of importance to the future as we read: I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

John 6:29 This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Now what to do? "Add to your faith virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness and charity." To realize this growth in our lives, we must learn to begin counting our old man dead. (Romans 6:6) "Knowing this, that our old man (The Adamic nature) is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.” (Ephesians 4:22).

My thoughts.
 
Themessengeroftruth

"Chapter 11
The angel Gabriel, in this chapter, performs his promise made to Daniel in the foregoing chapter, that he would "show him what should befal his people in the latter days," according to that which was "written in the scriptures of truth:" very particularly does he here foretel the succession of the kings of Persia and Grecia, and the affairs of their kingdoms, especially the mischief which Antiochus Epiphanes did in his time to the church, which was foretold before (ch. 8:11–12). Here is, I. A brief prediction of the setting up of the Grecian monarchy upon the ruins of the Persian monarchy, which was now newly begun (v. 1-4). II. A prediction of the affairs of the two kingdoms of Egypt and Syria, with reference to each other (v. 5–20). III. Of the rise of Antiochus Epiphanes, and his actions and successes (v. 21–29). IV. Of the great mischief that he should do to the Jewish nation and religion, and his contempt of all religion (v. 30–39). V. Of his fall and ruin at last, when he is in the heat of his pursuit (v. 40–45).......
Of the kings that came after Antiochus nothing is here prophesied, for that was the most malicious mischievous enemy to the church, that was a type of the son of perdition, whom the Lord shall consume with the breath of his mouth and destroy with the brightness of his coming, and none shall help him."
http://biblehub.com/commentaries/mhcw/daniel/11.htm

This is all history. History that can be verified by historical writings outside the Bible.
In my opinion, when Christians fail to acknowledge this prophecy as history that is verifiable to the secular world we damage the wonder of this prophecy from God given to Daniel and then fulfilled for all the world to see. We muddy the waters, the waters of the living Word of God.
 
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