Location, location, location (except for tattoo parlors?)

[elizabethbraddock]

Personally, I don't like tattoos when I can see them easily. I think people forget that while, as a society, we have become more accepting of tattoos, they are still a big red flag when looking for jobs in a professional setting. Unless someone want to be a barrista or work in some other cool, hip place their whole life, it's probably unwise to get sleeve tattoos or neck tattoos. I know of a couple of personal friends who have done body modifications when they were much younger, only to have medical procedures done to remove them because they changed their career fields and wanted to work in a professional setting.

On the other hand, people have the freedom and the right to do with as they please, even if we may not agree with it. I would not oppose a tattoo parlor opening in a mall.

 

[farouk]

Personally, I don't like tattoos when I can see them easily. I think people forget that while, as a society, we have become more accepting of tattoos, they are still a big red flag when looking for jobs in a professional setting. Unless someone want to be a barrista or work in some other cool, hip place their whole life, it's probably unwise to get sleeve tattoos or neck tattoos. I know of a couple of personal friends who have done body modifications when they were much younger, only to have medical procedures done to remove them because they changed their career fields and wanted to work in a professional setting.

On the other hand, people have the freedom and the right to do with as they please, even if we may not agree with it. I would not oppose a tattoo parlor opening in a mall.

elizabethbraddock:

Some v. thoughtful comments there; thanks.

I think the matter of where the parlor is, is a quite separate matter from whether you or I happen to like the whole range of designs that ppl may get. (Personally I think that there is a lot of scope for faith related tattoo designs, Bible ref., etc., and one of the aspects of this is showing people, of course, and starting conversations, etc.)

What you say about keeping them covered in a professional setting, or at least having them in placements where they can be covered, is a sensible consideration, yes. You mentioned sleeve and neck placements: actually these placements have become a lot more popular for women than they were several years ago, haven't they? (It's not just a case of a heart or butterfly on the ankle any more, for women, is it? leaving other more confident placements such as the sleeve one that you mention, for men.) Blessings.

 

[elizabethbraddock]

elizabethbraddock:

Some v. thoughtful comments there; thanks.

I think the matter of where the parlor is, is a quite separate matter from whether you or I happen to like the whole range of designs that ppl may get. (Personally I think that there is a lot of scope for faith related tattoo designs, Bible ref., etc., and one of the aspects of this is showing people, of course, and starting conversations, etc.)

What you say about keeping them covered in a professional setting, or at least having them in placements where they can be covered, is a sensible consideration, yes. You mentioned sleeve and neck placements: actually these placements have become a lot more popular for women than they were several years ago, haven't they? (It's not just a case of a heart or butterfly on the ankle any more, for women, is it? leaving other more confident placements such as the sleeve one that you mention, for men.) Blessings.

Sleeves aren't hugely popular with women, unless they're in a certain sub-culture. With most women, it's still just ankles, tops of feet, lower back, wrists, stuff like that.

 

[farouk]

Sleeves aren't hugely popular with women, unless they're in a certain sub-culture. With most women, it's still just ankles, tops of feet, lower back, wrists, stuff like that.

elizabethbraddock:

Well, yes I know this is true up to a point. (Not sure about sleeves being exclusively a subculture thing, but anyway.) Actually where I live the local banks seem to have relaxed any restrictions they might once have had on men and women having to cover tattoos. But yes, those placements that you mention here are especially popular (and I think you probably prefer the idea of those placements for women than the sleeve and neck ones that you referred to in your previous post, right?).
And so I guess it can be said, since it's something that so many people want and expect to do, why not be able to walk in from the mall, rather than have to head, eg, to a badly lit joint in the industrial section at irregular hours (I mean, such an inconvenient sort of location wouldn't be the sort of place you'd particularly want to go to, I reckon.) Blessings.

 

[elizabethbraddock]

elizabethbraddock:

Well, yes I know this is true up to a point. (Not sure about sleeves being exclusively a subculture thing, but anyway.) Actually where I live the local banks seem to have relaxed any restrictions they might once have had on men and women having to cover tattoos. But yes, those placements that you mention here are especially popular (and I think you probably prefer the idea of those placements for women than the sleeve and neck ones that you referred to in your previous post, right?).
And so I guess it can be said, since it's something that so many people want and expect to do, why not be able to walk in from the mall, rather than have to head, eg, to a badly lit joint in the industrial section at irregular hours (I mean, such an inconvenient sort of location wouldn't be the sort of place you'd particularly want to go to, I reckon.) Blessings.

Definitely. If it's going to be done, let it be at some place like a mall, under scrutiny and regulation.

 

[farouk]

Definitely. If it's going to be done, let it be at some place like a mall, under scrutiny and regulation.

elizabethbraddock: Well, exactly. You'd feel far more comfortable in any mall located parlor that you may have checked out, esp. if it's obviously, clean, regularly inspected and friendly, right?.

 

[elizabethbraddock]

elizabethbraddock: Well, exactly. You'd feel far more comfortable in any mall located parlor that you may have checked out, esp. if it's obviously, clean, regularly inspected and friendly, right?.

Yes, certainly. It seems more legit, if that's the right word. Having worked in healthcare, I know about the risk of transmissible, blood-borne pathogens at tattoo parlors. If we can get it better regulated, inspected, and keep them clean. It'd be all the better for keeping the people who do decide to get tattoos healthy.

 

[farouk]

Yes, certainly. It seems more legit, if that's the right word. Having worked in healthcare, I know about the risk of transmissible, blood-borne pathogens at tattoo parlors. If we can get it better regulated, inspected, and keep them clean. It'd be all the better for keeping the people who do decide to get tattoos healthy.

elizabethbraddock: I think that legit. is the right word. If an 18 year old is accompanied by his parents on his b-day for his or her memorable rite of passage, or, say, a grandmother commemorates her first grandkid with a tattoo of the grandkid's name, or a pastor's wife or daughter gets a Bible verse (or whatever), then why not make it as legit. and as hygienic an occasion as it can be?

So you are right in your use of legit. (Make sense?)

 

[farouk]

No surprise here, I'm sure, Farouk, concerning my opinion.

The mall setting for a tattoo enterprise would be fine. In fact, there is always the chance that because shoppers could see for themselves that the shop is clean and well organized, their own opinion might be altered to the better.

A tatt shop would be healthier for shoppers than the acrylic nail shops, where the workers wear masks but not the customers. That has always made me wonder about health issues associated with acrylic nails.

AirDancer:

You mean of course that in consequence far more people are likely to want to do it.

 

[Navigator]

I said I would not cause a fuss about the tattoo parlor in the mall, but I would go a step further and say that I would almost encourage it (assuming parlors are going to be built SOMEWHERE regardless). If a tattoo parlor is in the mall, they will want their store to be clean, respectable, and appealing to a wide variety of people. You aren't going to get a grungy, dirty parlor that can spring up on any old street. So if parlors are going to be made, I would much rather customers go to a nice, clean tattoo parlor than one that is owned by a man named "Big Daddy" or something...

The act itself may seem dirty, but like many have said, it's not always the bikers that go in to get tattoos. I'm the furthest from a "bad boy" so to speak, and I've contemplated getting a tattoo of a Bible reference on my ribcage or something along those lines. Just as a personal reminder....

 

[farouk]

I said I would not cause a fuss about the tattoo parlor in the mall, but I would go a step further and say that I would almost encourage it (assuming parlors are going to be built SOMEWHERE regardless). If a tattoo parlor is in the mall, they will want their store to be clean, respectable, and appealing to a wide variety of people. You aren't going to get a grungy, dirty parlor that can spring up on any old street. So if parlors are going to be made, I would much rather customers go to a nice, clean tattoo parlor than one that is owned by a man named "Big Daddy" or something...

The act itself may seem dirty, but like many have said, it's not always the bikers that go in to get tattoos. I'm the furthest from a "bad boy" so to speak, and I've contemplated getting a tattoo of a Bible reference on my ribcage or something along those lines. Just as a personal reminder....

Navigator:

Thanks for your comments.

When you say the act itself may seem dirty, do you mean it's intrinsically unhygienic?

or do you mean metaphorically? or what.

(A good parlor will welcome regular inspection and tattooists often invite better regulation.)

Blessings.

(PS: who is the lady in your avatar photo? do you know her? and do you know if she has a tattoo, faith based, or otherwise?)

 

[farouk]

..Having worked in healthcare, I know about the risk of transmissible, blood-borne pathogens at tattoo parlors. If we can get it better regulated, inspected, and keep them clean. It'd be all the better for keeping the people who do decide to get tattoos healthy.

elizabethbraddock:

PS: What I wanted to ask also, was: isn't it true to say that with rising standards of cleanliness in parlors, the risks have greatly decreased? and that a lot more attention is paid to the type of ink used, so that it does not cause complications?

Blessings.

 

[elizabethbraddock]

elizabethbraddock:

PS: What I wanted to ask also, was: isn't it true to say that with rising standards of cleanliness in parlors, the risks have greatly decreased? and that a lot more attention is paid to the type of ink used, so that it does not cause complications?

Blessings.

The risk has been reduced, but it's still there. There's a reason why organizations like the American Red Cross will defer a blood donor for one year if they've had a tattoo recently.

 

[farouk]

The risk has been reduced, but it's still there. There's a reason why organizations like the American Red Cross will defer a blood donor for one year if they've had a tattoo recently.

elizabethbraddock: Ty for your comment. I read a bit about it and it seems that locally from state to state the situation with giving blood with regard to tattooees can vary quite a bit, because the risks are now perceived as being less.

Like, it seems to me that even with ear piercing there is some kind of risk of infection, right?

but with all the studs that get clicked in at Wallmart and elsewhere it's not regarded as dangerous.

In terms of custom and fashion, these days, getting a little tattoo at 18 is almost like getting third holes pierced would have been a few years ago.

Blessings.

 

[elizabethbraddock]

elizabethbraddock: Ty for your comment. I read a bit about it and it seems that locally from state to state the situation with giving blood with regard to tattooees can vary quite a bit, because the risks are now perceived as being less.

Like, it seems to me that even with ear piercing there is some kind of risk of infection, right?

but with all the studs that get clicked in at Wallmart and elsewhere it's not regarded as dangerous.

In terms of custom and fashion, these days, getting a little tattoo at 18 is almost like getting third holes pierced would have been a few years ago.

Blessings.

Yes, there's some variation state to state. But that's why I mentioned the Red Cross, since they're a national organization. With proper hygienic technique, the risk is greatly reduced, but the chance of getting infected is not 0. There's still some chance to developing an infection.

 

[farouk]

Yes, there's some variation state to state. But that's why I mentioned the Red Cross, since they're a national organization. With proper hygienic technique, the risk is greatly reduced, but the chance of getting infected is not 0. There's still some chance to developing an infection.

elizabethbraddock:

Well, I see, yes, ty.

So do you think that the analogy with piercing ears is apt?

I mean, getting ears pierced and getting first ink at 18 are both regarded as rites of passage that so many ppl do. Like, do you think it's good to be working to make tattooing as almost risk-free as ear piercing is? (Many parlors do both, of course.)

Of course, there is also the aspect of faith related designs having increasing potential as the tattooing custom greatly expands.

Blessings.

 

[elizabethbraddock]

elizabethbraddock:

Well, I see, yes, ty.

So do you think that the analogy with piercing ears is apt?

I mean, getting ears pierced and getting first ink at 18 are both regarded as rites of passage that so many ppl do. Like, do you think it's good to be working to make tattooing as almost risk-free as ear piercing is? (Many parlors do both, of course.)

Of course, there is also the aspect of faith related designs having increasing potential as the tattooing custom greatly expands.

Blessings.

I think making it as risk-free as possible is a good thing. People are going to get them regardless, so we might as well enact safeguards and protocols to make it as safe as possible.

 

[farouk]

I think making it as risk-free as possible is a good thing. People are going to get them regardless, so we might as well enact safeguards and protocols to make it as safe as possible.

elizabethbraddock:

Good points, yes. You're right.

Like ear piercing, getting a tattoo shouldn't be anything to feel at all inhibited about, should it?

...and especially if the 'safeguards and protocols' are in place, like you say, as someone who has worked in healthcare; and it kind of follows that the testimony applicable aspect of increasing potentials for faith related designs, Bible ref.s in ornate script, etc. are likely to increase, too. (If this makes sense...)

 

[Navigator]

Navigator:

Thanks for your comments.

When you say the act itself may seem dirty, do you mean it's intrinsically unhygienic?

or do you mean metaphorically? or what.

(A good parlor will welcome regular inspection and tattooists often invite better regulation.)

Blessings.

(PS: who is the lady in your avatar photo? do you know her? and do you know if she has a tattoo, faith based, or otherwise?)

A little of both quite honestly. I have seen some old looking, run down tattoo parlors where I live, so in that respect I suppose I mean hygienic...but metaphorically, I suppose the "dirty" label also applies. When you think of the person who most likely gets a tattoo, the first image that pops into most people's heads I would assume is some biker dude with a big gnarly beard, unruly hair, and so on. But I think in my post, the focus was on hygiene...and overall appearance of the parlor.

And I do not know the woman in my avatar, I simply liked the words on the pic. So I don't know if she has a tattoo or not

 

[farouk]

A little of both quite honestly. I have seen some old looking, run down tattoo parlors where I live, so in that respect I suppose I mean hygienic...but metaphorically, I suppose the "dirty" label also applies. When you think of the person who most likely gets a tattoo, the first image that pops into most people's heads I would assume is some biker dude with a big gnarly beard, unruly hair, and so on. But I think in my post, the focus was on hygiene...and overall appearance of the parlor.

And I do not know the woman in my avatar, I simply liked the words on the pic. So I don't know if she has a tattoo or not

Navigator:

Okay, thanks for your response. What you say may particularly apply to the way things may have been in the past, especially in some places. These days, a parlor client might easily be a pastor's daughter getting a faith related design before she heads off to Bible college, or else a grandmother getting the initials of her first grandchild (did you know that the majority of parlor clients in North America are now women? which is also why your picture would kind of 'fit', too.) So the old image may still be there, but it has also changed considerably, too, which is why having the service available in the mall, in clean and well lit premises in regular hours, may make perfect sense to a lot of people.

So have you settled on a verse that you want for yours?

Blessings.