Logical reasons why God and the angels in the Bible cannot be UFO aliens

[Alfred Persson]

Some have found Ancient Alien Theory so compelling they lost their Christian faith. Barry Downing was a Presbyterian Minister. He lost his faith when he was convinced Jesus was an ET. Minister Downing was not a stupid man, he has a PhD in religion and science from the University of Edinburgh, physics from Harwick College and a degree from Princeton. He was pastor of the Northminister NY Presbyterian Church, a well-established protestant denomination.

The pastor was blinded by a confirmation bias so strong he couldn't see the fallacy of his position, the clear and incontrovertible fact ONLY God knows the future (Is. 46:9-10) and THAT puts Him infinitely above "Ancient Aliens" who clearly can't see even a few minutes into the future. In history they have repeatedly crashed their spaceships into the earth, which they certainly would have avoided if they knew the future like God does. [2]

Furthermore, it strains credulity "Ancient Aliens" teach ideas found in the Bible. Creationism for example. Why would "aliens" want us to believe they did not "engineer life" on the planet as various contactee groups say they claim? Also, consider the animal sacrifices in the law of Moses, WHY would an "advanced alien race" command them? But these reveal in shadow the Gospel of Christ, the seriousness of sin to an impeccably Holy God and the necessity for faith and obedience---"the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith" (Gal. 3:24; John 3:14-18; Heb. 10:1-14). WHY would ET preach Sovereign YHWH God, if they are atheists as cult followers claim? Therefore, it is elementary the Law of Moses, the gospel of Christ --- cannot be the "work product of aliens" as there is "no good in these truths for the aliens to obtain by having mankind believe them."

All intelligent life acts to obtain some "good" for itself. Without a "good" to be gained, intelligent beings have no motive to act.

Therefore, as nothing "good for aliens" exists in Bible teachings, these cannot result from their acts.

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[TheDeafMan]

Aliens are demons. Their travel is interdimensional not interstellar. I think they will re-appear post-rapture as part of the explanation of the rapture and the ongoing deceptions of that tribulation time. I do not believe that we, true Christians, will be around to see them, thankfully.

 

[Alfred Persson]

Aliens are demons. Their travel is interdimensional not interstellar. I think they will re-appear post-rapture as part of the explanation of the rapture and the ongoing deceptions of that tribulation time. I do not believe that we, true Christians, will be around to see them, thankfully.

I agree they are demons, interdimensional travel from the dimension of "heaven" (Rev. 12:7-9) to earth.

I pray you're right about pre-tribulation rapture, but my studies of scripture see "pre-wrath" rapture is the truth, after the Beast has martyred most of the church. We will be tested just like believers were in the first few centuries :

11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write:`Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them."
14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. (Rev. 14:11-16 NKJ)

 

[TheDeafMan]

from GotQuestions.org ...

The pre-wrath rapture theory views the trumpet and the bowl judgments (Revelation 7–16) as the wrath of God, from which the church is exempted (1 Thessalonians 5:9). However, the first six seal judgments (Revelation 6) are not considered the wrath of God; rather, they are viewed as “the wrath of Satan” or “the wrath of the antichrist.” This is because there is no direct mention of God’s wrath until after the sixth seal is broken (Revelation 6:17). According to the pre-wrath rapture theory, the church will be present to experience the first six seals.

Comparing Revelation 6 with Matthew 24, the pre-wrath rapture theorists identify the first seal judgments with Jesus’ description of the end times in Matthew 24:4-7. Jesus then refers to these events as “the beginning of birth pains” (verse 8). In verses 29 and 30, “the sign of the Son of Man” appears in the sky, and it is at this time, according to the pre-wrath rapture theory, that the rapture of the church occurs.

One weakness of the pre-wrath rapture position is its presumption that the “elect” mentioned in Matthew 24:22, 31 are church-age saints. These saints could just as easily be individuals saved during the seven-year tribulation; in fact, Jesus tells those who flee the antichrist’s persecution to pray that their flight does not occur “on the Sabbath” (verse 20). Since the church is not under the Mosaic law and does not keep the Sabbath, Jesus’ words cannot be directed to the church.

Another flaw in the pre-wrath rapture theory is its teaching that the first seal judgments are not the wrath of God. Scripture shows that it is the Lamb who opens the seals (Revelation 5:5; 6:1). No other man is found worthy to open them (5:3-4). It would seem, then, these are not man’s judgments, but God’s. The tribulation begins when Jesus opens the first seal, and from that point on, the wrath of God is meted out on a sinful world.

A final weakness of the pre-wrath rapture view is shared by the other theories: viz., the Bible does not give an explicit time line concerning future events. Scripture does not expressly teach one view over another, and that is why we have diversity of opinion concerning the end times and some variety on how the related prophecies should be harmonized.

FOR FURTHER STUDY​

Three Views on the Rapture: Pre-tribulation, Pre-wrath, or Post-tribulation by Blaising, Hultberg, & Moo

 

[Alfred Persson]

from GotQuestions.org ...

The pre-wrath rapture theory views the trumpet and the bowl judgments (Revelation 7–16) as the wrath of God, from which the church is exempted (1 Thessalonians 5:9). However, the first six seal judgments (Revelation 6) are not considered the wrath of God; rather, they are viewed as “the wrath of Satan” or “the wrath of the antichrist.” This is because there is no direct mention of God’s wrath until after the sixth seal is broken (Revelation 6:17). According to the pre-wrath rapture theory, the church will be present to experience the first six seals.

Comparing Revelation 6 with Matthew 24, the pre-wrath rapture theorists identify the first seal judgments with Jesus’ description of the end times in Matthew 24:4-7. Jesus then refers to these events as “the beginning of birth pains” (verse 8). In verses 29 and 30, “the sign of the Son of Man” appears in the sky, and it is at this time, according to the pre-wrath rapture theory, that the rapture of the church occurs.

One weakness of the pre-wrath rapture position is its presumption that the “elect” mentioned in Matthew 24:22, 31 are church-age saints. These saints could just as easily be individuals saved during the seven-year tribulation; in fact, Jesus tells those who flee the antichrist’s persecution to pray that their flight does not occur “on the Sabbath” (verse 20). Since the church is not under the Mosaic law and does not keep the Sabbath, Jesus’ words cannot be directed to the church.

Another flaw in the pre-wrath rapture theory is its teaching that the first seal judgments are not the wrath of God. Scripture shows that it is the Lamb who opens the seals (Revelation 5:5; 6:1). No other man is found worthy to open them (5:3-4). It would seem, then, these are not man’s judgments, but God’s. The tribulation begins when Jesus opens the first seal, and from that point on, the wrath of God is meted out on a sinful world.

A final weakness of the pre-wrath rapture view is shared by the other theories: viz., the Bible does not give an explicit time line concerning future events. Scripture does not expressly teach one view over another, and that is why we have diversity of opinion concerning the end times and some variety on how the related prophecies should be harmonized.

FOR FURTHER STUDY​

Three Views on the Rapture: Pre-tribulation, Pre-wrath, or Post-tribulation by Blaising, Hultberg, & Moo

They didn't discuss the pre-wrath rapture I believe in.

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Its not a theory, its the plain reading of the text I cited. Its not rocket science:

[The time: After the Mark of the Beast is required:
11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

[The warning to the Church not to accept the Mark is followed by the command we have patience]
12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

[Many Christians will die Martyrs slain by the Beast, But they are blessed by God, death brings rest from labor]
13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write:`Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them."

[The Rapture then happens]
14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."
16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.

[Then the Wrath of God is revealed upon the entire earth via the Bowl judgments, NOT trumpets:
17 Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, "Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe."
19 So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20 And the winepress was trampled outside the city, and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses' bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.


Not rocket science. Not a theory. Its the clear teaching of scripture.

For lots more proof of this go to my site.


Feel free to tell GodQuestions.org they can debate this with me anytime. I post under my real name. I'd be more than happy to do it in any forum they like, or on their site, or here.

 

[Alfred Persson]

from GotQuestions.org ...

The pre-wrath rapture theory views the trumpet and the bowl judgments (Revelation 7–16) as the wrath of God, from which the church is exempted (1 Thessalonians 5:9). However, the first six seal judgments (Revelation 6) are not considered the wrath of God; rather, they are viewed as “the wrath of Satan” or “the wrath of the antichrist.” This is because there is no direct mention of God’s wrath until after the sixth seal is broken (Revelation 6:17). According to the pre-wrath rapture theory, the church will be present to experience the first six seals.

Comparing Revelation 6 with Matthew 24, the pre-wrath rapture theorists identify the first seal judgments with Jesus’ description of the end times in Matthew 24:4-7. Jesus then refers to these events as “the beginning of birth pains” (verse 8). In verses 29 and 30, “the sign of the Son of Man” appears in the sky, and it is at this time, according to the pre-wrath rapture theory, that the rapture of the church occurs.

One weakness of the pre-wrath rapture position is its presumption that the “elect” mentioned in Matthew 24:22, 31 are church-age saints. These saints could just as easily be individuals saved during the seven-year tribulation; in fact, Jesus tells those who flee the antichrist’s persecution to pray that their flight does not occur “on the Sabbath” (verse 20). Since the church is not under the Mosaic law and does not keep the Sabbath, Jesus’ words cannot be directed to the church.

Another flaw in the pre-wrath rapture theory is its teaching that the first seal judgments are not the wrath of God. Scripture shows that it is the Lamb who opens the seals (Revelation 5:5; 6:1). No other man is found worthy to open them (5:3-4). It would seem, then, these are not man’s judgments, but God’s. The tribulation begins when Jesus opens the first seal, and from that point on, the wrath of God is meted out on a sinful world.

A final weakness of the pre-wrath rapture view is shared by the other theories: viz., the Bible does not give an explicit time line concerning future events. Scripture does not expressly teach one view over another, and that is why we have diversity of opinion concerning the end times and some variety on how the related prophecies should be harmonized.

FOR FURTHER STUDY​

Three Views on the Rapture: Pre-tribulation, Pre-wrath, or Post-tribulation by Blaising, Hultberg, & Moo

If GotQuestions.org wants to debate me on anything
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[Welshlady38]

I think we would be fools to believe that earth is the only planet in the whole solar system without any life on and I believe they are probably not demons either.

I believe that God has only revealed to us what we need to know through the bible. There are things we probably don’t know and it’s because they are things we don’t know need to know and things that are beyond our comprehension.

 

[Welshlady38]

I think we would be fools to believe that earth is the only planet in the whole solar system without any life on and I believe they are probably not demons either.

I believe that God has only revealed to us what we need to know through the bible. There are things we probably don’t know and it’s because they are things we don’t know need to know and things that are beyond our comprehension.

I meant to say universe, not solar system sorry I’m tired.

 

[TheDeafMan]

I think we would be fools to believe that earth is the only planet in the whole solar system without any life on and I believe they are probably not demons either.

I believe that God has only revealed to us what we need to know through the bible. There are things we probably don’t know and it’s because they are things we don’t know need to know and things that are beyond our comprehension.

The problem with that view is that the Bible doesn't indicate any other creations. There are humans, angels and that's it. If there were other creations, then would they also need a savior? Another Jesus? The whole concept of other creatures somewhere out there brings up more problems than answers. I think the basic issue, though, is how would these other creatures relate to God?

 

[Feight]

first there are supposed to be other dimensions, "realms" if you will, that are supposed to overlap between heaven and earth, but only Eden and Heaven are mentioned as existing, but that makes it difficult to gain a deeper level of understanding. The old norse religion believed that there was several realms, but it's not that far removed or different, for example they had a realm of the dead and such, and it makes you wonder if there is such a thing in Christianity or if all the dead simply go to this one place that would be called heaven. Basically in Christianity it just brings with it a lot of questions, like if heaven exists as another dimension overlapping earth then is it the same as dying if you go there? could they really so easily overlap each other then? Eden is easier to be sure of but the idea of heaven is trickier.

But anyway, there is some evidence that not all existence originates from this heaven place, but in fact evolution is observable to some extent. But it seems really strange that for millions of years, hardly any proof of civilizations existed until all very relatively recently in retrospect. I believe it's likely that it's not that we completely evolved to how we are now but that we were created somehow. The earth was also pretty uninhabitable for a long while after the meteorite struck then earth, because it led to the dying out of the dinosaurs and likewise there was the ice age at some point as well, which leads you to believe these are not all optimal levels for evolution to take place.

But if you were to go on the bible, it seems as though, like Satan who was considered a cherubim and the fallen angels, you can emerge from one of these dimensions mentioned about in the bible and exist primarily in the earth realm. So it basically just all lends itself to the idea that not everything simply emerged from this heaven realm, but instead might have history going beyond just that. So it's very possible there was "aliens"

Though, I think it was most likely the angels, but that they looked mostly the same as us now, but were probably giants, but also it's mentioned in the bible that there are different types of angels, so they might not all have been humanoid.

 

[Feight]

Valhalla is calling

 

[Alfred Persson]

The problem with that view is that the Bible doesn't indicate any other creations. There are humans, angels and that's it. If there were other creations, then would they also need a savior? Another Jesus? The whole concept of other creatures somewhere out there brings up more problems than answers. I think the basic issue, though, is how would these other creatures relate to God?

That's a good argument against aliens, Christ came in human flesh to save humans. But it occurred to me, if humans were on other planets, then John 3:16 would still apply:

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (Jn. 3:16 NKJ)

World in Greek is "Kosmos", God so loved the Cosmos. If we consider Col. 1:120

19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell,
20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
(Col. 1:19-20 NKJ)

An argument could be made "all things on earth or things in heaven" might include non-humans in the Cosmos.

But because I am a Creationist, and know Jesus is God the Son, I agree with you. Humans and angels (and creatures in heaven with the Angels like the Seraphim etc.), that it. No alien races.

Satan's demons disguise themselves as ET to deceive.

 

[Alfred Persson]

first there are supposed to be other dimensions, "realms" if you will, that are supposed to overlap between heaven and earth, but only Eden and Heaven are mentioned as existing, but that makes it difficult to gain a deeper level of understanding. The old norse religion believed that there was several realms, but it's not that far removed or different, for example they had a realm of the dead and such, and it makes you wonder if there is such a thing in Christianity or if all the dead simply go to this one place that would be called heaven. Basically in Christianity it just brings with it a lot of questions, like if heaven exists as another dimension overlapping earth then is it the same as dying if you go there? could they really so easily overlap each other then? Eden is easier to be sure of but the idea of heaven is trickier.

But anyway, there is some evidence that not all existence originates from this heaven place, but in fact evolution is observable to some extent. But it seems really strange that for millions of years, hardly any proof of civilizations existed until all very relatively recently in retrospect. I believe it's likely that it's not that we completely evolved to how we are now but that we were created somehow. The earth was also pretty uninhabitable for a long while after the meteorite struck then earth, because it led to the dying out of the dinosaurs and likewise there was the ice age at some point as well, which leads you to believe these are not all optimal levels for evolution to take place.

But if you were to go on the bible, it seems as though, like Satan who was considered a cherubim and the fallen angels, you can emerge from one of these dimensions mentioned about in the bible and exist primarily in the earth realm. So it basically just all lends itself to the idea that not everything simply emerged from this heaven realm, but instead might have history going beyond just that. So it's very possible there was "aliens"

Though, I think it was most likely the angels, but that they looked mostly the same as us now, but were probably giants, but also it's mentioned in the bible that there are different types of angels, so they might not all have been humanoid.

I believe Scripture, not theories like evolution or about dimensions. In scripture all things exist in the infinite Mind of Christ, like a thought...a matrix if you will:

16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. (Col. 1:16-17 NKJ)

All creatures, whether angels or men, exist in time and space. All of that, exists as a thought in the Mind of Christ. He is the "Word", He who gives concrete existence to the thought of our Triune God, Father Son and Holy Spirit:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (Jn. 1:1-3 NKJ)

It is Christ who created the heavens and the earth in the beginning (Gen. 1:1):

27 "so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;
28 "for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said,`For we are also His offspring.'
29 "Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising. (Acts 17:27-29 NKJ)

Therefore, you cannot think of a Finite God like the Norse or pagan gods, who live amongst other finite creatures in a place.

When God manifests Himself to His creatures, He does so by a "theophany":

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, (Phil. 2:5-6 NKJ)

What is true in heaven is true on earth, God manifests a localized presence:

12 "And the LORD spoke to you out of the midst of the fire. You heard the sound of the words, but saw no form; you only heard a voice. (Deut. 4:12 NKJ)

The incarnation of Christ is different, there God added to Himself human nature through the virgin birth of Christ.

Christ never ceased to be infinite God in heaven, even while talking to us as man on earth:

"No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. (Jn. 3:13 NKJ)

So heaven and earth and the unseen realm of hades are in a "metaverse", three distinct "dimensions of existence" like "parallel worlds".

When angels traverse into our dimension, they go through dimensional portals;

Then he dreamed, and behold, a ladder was set up on the earth, and its top reached to heaven; and there the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. (Gen. 28:12 NKJ)


Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (2 Ki. 2:11 NKJ)


After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, "Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this." (Rev. 4:1 NKJ)

They are not spirits, they are physical just as we, but they have "cloaking technology":

So he took butter and milk and the calf which he had prepared, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree as they ate. (Gen. 18:8 NKJ)

11 Now the Angel of the LORD came and sat under the terebinth tree which was in Ophrah, which belonged to Joash the Abiezrite, while his son Gideon threshed wheat in the winepress, in order to hide it from the Midianites. (Jdg. 6:11 NKJ)

People confused disembodied Nephilim and evil "men of renown" who died in the flood of Noah's day, but were not sent to the Abyss by God, and now roam the tombs etc possessing insects animals and men. The more wicked unclean spirits were imprisoned in the abyss (Rev. 9:1ff).

When Michael casts Satan and his angels out of the dimension of heaven (Rev. 12:7-9) they will appear no earth like a ET invasion.

To prepare the earth or this great deception, Satan and his evil spirits are spreading disinformation about Extraterrestrial races.

Even the cabal that controls earth's governments, is deceived about their true nature and intention. There are no extraterrestrial races. Only men and angels etc. exist.

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[Alfred Persson]

I meant to say universe, not solar system sorry I’m tired.

If Christ hadn't referred to creation as a literal historical event, I would agree with you. But Christ referred to creation, not evolution. As He is God the Son, He is correct.

If He is not correct, if evolution be true, He is not God the Son.

Hence, many Christian scientists are creationists, because they believe Christ and not the ever changing theories of men.

Therefore, as Christ is correct and God created all life, alien races didn't evolve anywhere else.

But non human life exists. They are "extraterrestrial". They are called angels, seraphim, "living creatures" etc.