Love is never having to say you're sorry.

[K2CHRIST]

I'm not sure Apologetics & Theology is exactly the right spot for this thread, but I was not sure where else it should go.

I was watching the movie "Love Story" the other day and the phrase "Love is never having to say you are sorry was being emphasized." I like and have always like watching love stories, but I find my view point as a Christina sometimes gives me trouble when watching regular movies.

As a Christian I have found that love is saying your sorry!! I believe it is so fundamental to our faith that I almost wrote this thread in the Foundations of Faith section, but perhaps someone needs to discuss it, so I put it here.

I really loved the movie except that it was so sad. It was supposed to be sad, but as a Christian I probably found it more sad than most people. and for different reasons. The movie start with a guy wondering about the meaning of life because he young wife dies. And instantly I realize the sad part is not because the wife died but because He doesn't know God. It is just a movie, but the movie seems to be promoting atheism from the being. It was a perfect example of the problems of atheism, but it seems the author didn't even see that himself when the writing of his story. And that was so sad, but that's what happens in this world.

So the movie promotes atheism and the bitterness of life is a result. It leaves a man questioning the purpose of life and why people die. It plays up a young man who had major forgiveness problems, as a thinking person, when he, his wife, his father, and I even think the author all missed why knowing God is important.

Perhaps I am wrong with the author, because the movie left me with the understanding of how thinking "Loving is not having to say your sorry" is so completely wrong, though it seem the world grasp hold of this incorrect phrase, which would only result in more of the same problems seem in the movie.

As a Christian who does indeed know the Lord, I know that all have sinned and we still have a battle with sin. So forgiving others is easy for me. It was impossible for the main character in the movie and his father. As a Christian it devastates me when un-believers dies but I know the purpose is to turn people to God so that if they die they will live. I know about a spiritual realm, so I understand some will live on. Yet I also know about a spiritual realm where unforgiving people scream. The Lord once show me a little of that realm also so I would understand hell is also real.

I work in a Christian healing ministry where the biggest problem we see is forgiveness. Ask anyone who works in a Christian healing ministry, I'm sure they will tell you the same thing. People don't forgive. The forgiveness tears them up which effect both their spiritual and physical body as well.

My friends, Love (God) tells you that you have to say your are sorry. You have to.

 

[jocor]

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[Edward]

I'm not sure Apologetics & Theology is exactly the right spot for this thread, but I was not sure where else it should go.

I was watching the movie "Love Story" the other day and the phrase "Love is never having to say you are sorry was being emphasized." I like and have always like watching love stories, but I find my view point as a Christina sometimes gives me trouble when watching regular movies.

As a Christian I have found that love is saying your sorry!! I believe it is so fundamental to our faith that I almost wrote this thread in the Foundations of Faith section, but perhaps someone needs to discuss it, so I put it here.

I really loved the movie except that it was so sad. It was supposed to be sad, but as a Christian I probably found it more sad than most people. and for different reasons. The movie start with a guy wondering about the meaning of life because he young wife dies. And instantly I realize the sad part is not because the wife died but because He doesn't know God. It is just a movie, but the movie seems to be promoting atheism from the being. It was a perfect example of the problems of atheism, but it seems the author didn't even see that himself when the writing of his story. And that was so sad, but that's what happens in this world.

So the movie promotes atheism and the bitterness of life is a result. It leaves a man questioning the purpose of life and why people die. It plays up a young man who had major forgiveness problems, as a thinking person, when he, his wife, his father, and I even think the author all missed why knowing God is important.

Perhaps I am wrong with the author, because the movie left me with the understanding of how thinking "Loving is not having to say your sorry" is so completely wrong, though it seem the world grasp hold of this incorrect phrase, which would only result in more of the same problems seem in the movie.

As a Christian who does indeed know the Lord, I know that all have sinned and we still have a battle with sin. So forgiving others is easy for me. It was impossible for the main character in the movie and his father. As a Christian it devastates me when un-believers dies but I know the purpose is to turn people to God so that if they die they will live. I know about a spiritual realm, so I understand some will live on. Yet I also know about a spiritual realm where unforgiving people scream. The Lord once show me a little of that realm also so I would understand hell is also real.

I work in a Christian healing ministry where the biggest problem we see is forgiveness. Ask anyone who works in a Christian healing ministry, I'm sure they will tell you the same thing. People don't forgive. The forgiveness tears them up which effect both their spiritual and physical body as well.

My friends, Love (God) tells you that you have to say your are sorry. You have to.

What an extremely profound post, Brother. I'm not sure I could even add anything to it.

It does bring to mind a "tip for a successful marriage" that I heard once. .it goes like this;

...if you're arguing with your wife, and it turns out that you're right...
Apologize at once!!

Sounds stupid at first, but the more one ponders it, the more sense it makes.

 

[Malachi]

Love is never having to say you're sorry.

Not according to Scripture.

 

[WIP]

Remember, this being the A&T forum we need to keep the Forum Guidelines in mind.

 

[K2CHRIST]

...if you're arguing with your wife, and it turns out that you're right...
Apologize at once!!

That's an awesome statement.

 

[Edward]

That's an awesome statement.

Ty Brother.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

1 Corinthians 13:4-7

4 Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant5 or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful;6 it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.7 Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

I think your right, love bears all things so it also is probabley always ready to apologize. In my family, unfortunately this concept is unfortunately being and strained. From my mom being told hurtful things while being protective of her mom being taken advantage of, and my cousin who had finical difficulty and now seems to be acting selfishly and spoiled. How much a person can bear is unfortunately something I'm watching.

 

[K2CHRIST]

I think your right, love bears all things so it also is probabley always ready to apologize. In my family, unfortunately this concept is unfortunately being and strained. From my mom being told hurtful things while being protective of her mom being taken advantage of, and my cousin who had finical difficulty and now seems to be acting selfishly and spoiled. How much a person can bear is unfortunately something I'm watching.

Nice post Not_Now.Soon. When working in a Christian healing ministry, the above is exactly the type of thing you run across. The Lord regularly tells me, "Karl, I got people who are hurting, and I need your help.", and He is referring to situation like above.

What's amazing is how often people having physical problems that just seem to clear up miraculously when we get pass the forgiveness issues. And perhaps the most difficult of the forgiveness issues we have to get past is the forgiveness of self then the forgiveness of God. Yet before any person can forgive their has to be an acknowledgement of confession inside. People often don't even know or think about what they did wrong.

Remember Jesus said "Father forgive them because they don't know what they are doing" (Luke 23:34) We often don't know what did wrong. We often say things that hurt people and don't know we did. Then we get stubborn about it, because we didn't think we did something wrong. That's why I loved Edward's post on this thread..

This happen to me recently. I had taken a class at church, and I tend to ask a lot of question and make comments on the issues in the class. This offended a teacher. I know because the Lord flat out told me, "Karl you hurt ..... and you need to apologize. I asked the Lord how I hurt her and He told me there were several things, about three that really bothered her, and a few things flashed into my head. I considered them and still had trouble understanding how they hurt her. I certainly had not meant to. I wound up talking to my daughter, how is a teacher, and she put me straight. She explained that I was side tracking the class, making it hard for her to get through the subject matter, and that perhaps I needed to ask her about some of the things afterwards. Daughter are good at setting a father straight.

So I went and apologized to that teacher like the Lord told me to. It turned out a bit hard to apologize to her because I think she was trying to ignore me, but I final found her and apologize to her. I could see in her eyes that the Lord was right. She obviously had been hurt. I can't tell you how she felt afterwards but I found that I felt better.

So Love (God) does tell you to say your sorry. He tells you to forgive others because they often don't know what they are doing to you. Love set the example by going to the cross. And though all His friends and disciples fell away, He still came back and prepared a meal for them. Jn 21:12 Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." That's how it was after He died and rose again, so isn't that how it will be after we die and He raises us up from the dead? Love is about maintaining and repairing relationships. First with God and then with others.

So Love Story was a sad movie because it was about broken relationships, death without the possibility of being raised from the dead, and about never having to say your sorry. So it was obvious why the guy was wondering about the meaning of life. He represented the author's perspective who had not figured it out either. God is life and God is love, and He means to keep and repair the relationships for any that will believe on Him! Believe in Him and even if you die you will live, because relationships are important to Him!

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

For my mom she's struggling with turning the other cheek, or telling my cousin how he hurt her. One option is about avoiding the sitution, and perhaps avoiding the person until she can resolve forgiving him. And the other is about both being justified for being hurt, and letting my cousin know he did wrong. But the second option is likely a catalyst for a fight, even if it can be approached with being a fight to begin with. The relationship is already being strained, and up until recently my mom's relation ship with my cousin has been positive and very loving. Not something that she wants to lose, but also something she might not be able to hold on to.

It breaks my heart to watch all of this. If anyone can, please keep this sitution in your prayers. But enough of that, I'm sorry for taking the focus away from the subject matter of your thread K2CHRIST.

 

[K2CHRIST]

I didn't see where you took focus away from the thread, but it was an excellent example of what the thread was about!

I don't know if you can, because it is often harder to minister to some you know well. There is something written about how a prophet is not honored in their own town, and Nazareth was the hardest place for Jesus to help in. So tread lightly! But in a Christian healing ministry we would see if we could lead your mom in a prayer of forgiveness. Usually I approach it by having the person pray something simple like, "Jesus, is there anyone I need to forgive?" and then ask them if anyone came to mind. When someone does come to mind, because Jesus does put people on our minds, you just have the person make a simple prayer of forgiveness like "Jesus, I forgive them". This gets the process going.

Some minister make it more about forgiving a person for this thing and that thing and not just the person. I find it good to just get the process moving because there is going to be a lot of hurt and even the forgiving does not take away all the hurt anymore than forgiving someone who stabbed you with a knife stops the bleeding. But the forgiving helps put God in a position to heal the hurt. The Lord said as you judge, so shall you be judged. Unforgiveness is like a declaration or judgement that they are guilty, and that can stop God because He too made a declaration.

And once we get the forgiveness moving, then it makes it easier to start repairing the relationship. You mom will find it easier to talk to your cousin without worrying about what might have been done wrong to her. In fact she will find it easier to apologize for anything she might have done wrong to your cousin. It is smart to pray and ask God for help and I suggest trying to listen or pay attention to what He might suggest. And the original simple prayer of asking Jesus if there is anyone she needed to forgive will have helped her realize that the Lord is there to be inquired of. So the whole thing should get rolling along with Jesus involved. Repairs are made in the relationships. People are happy and are loving each other again. And we all get a bit more understanding because love is about saying you are sorry.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

I didn't see where you took focus away from the thread, but it was an excellent example of what the thread was about!

I don't know if you can, because it is often harder to minister to some you know well. There is something written about how a prophet is not honored in their own town, and Nazareth was the hardest place for Jesus to help in. So tread lightly! But in a Christian healing ministry we would see if we could lead your mom in a prayer of forgiveness. Usually I approach it by having the person pray something simple like, "Jesus, is there anyone I need to forgive?" and then ask them if anyone came to mind. When someone does come to mind, because Jesus does put people on our minds, you just have the person make a simple prayer of forgiveness like "Jesus, I forgive them". This gets the process going.

Some minister make it more about forgiving a person for this thing and that thing and not just the person. I find it good to just get the process moving because there is going to be a lot of hurt and even the forgiving does not take away all the hurt anymore than forgiving someone who stabbed you with a knife stops the bleeding. But the forgiving helps put God in a position to heal the hurt. The Lord said as you judge, so shall you be judged. Unforgiveness is like a declaration or judgement that they are guilty, and that can stop God because He too made a declaration.

And once we get the forgiveness moving, then it makes it easier to start repairing the relationship. You mom will find it easier to talk to your cousin without worrying about what might have been done wrong to her. In fact she will find it easier to apologize for anything she might have done wrong to your cousin. It is smart to pray and ask God for help and I suggest trying to listen or pay attention to what He might suggest. And the original simple prayer of asking Jesus if there is anyone she needed to forgive will have helped her realize that the Lord is there to be inquired of. So the whole thing should get rolling along with Jesus involved. Repairs are made in the relationships. People are happy and are loving each other again. And we all get a bit more understanding because love is about saying you are sorry.

I'll try. I think it would be good to approach the matter with my cousin, because my mom has already tried to (still trying) to forgive my cousin for something that happened a while ago. Not trying to get angry with him and make a satisfying scene to validate how he wronged my mom and my grandma. But that's hard to do when he doesn't know he's done anything wrong and continues to do selfish things/ demands. Still, I'll try. Prayer first, wisdom and discipline tied for second. And I like the idea of asking God for who needs our forgiveness.

 

[for_his_glory]

For my mom she's struggling with turning the other cheek, or telling my cousin how he hurt her. One option is about avoiding the sitution, and perhaps avoiding the person until she can resolve forgiving him. And the other is about both being justified for being hurt, and letting my cousin know he did wrong. But the second option is likely a catalyst for a fight, even if it can be approached with being a fight to begin with. The relationship is already being strained, and up until recently my mom's relation ship with my cousin has been positive and very loving. Not something that she wants to lose, but also something she might not be able to hold on to.

It breaks my heart to watch all of this. If anyone can, please keep this sitution in your prayers. But enough of that, I'm sorry for taking the focus away from the subject matter of your thread K2CHRIST.

 

[for_his_glory]

Sorry is asking for forgiveness and if one is not sorry for their wrong doing then it's something they will have to deal with when faced with Gods judgement. We as a Christian that are Spiritually born again knows to say I am sorry for my transgression and I ask for forgiveness, not only to God, but for the one we transgressed against. Love does say I am sorry, but many hearts are hardened.

 

[Jim Parker]

As a Christian I have found that love is saying your sorry!!

Consider the "Lord's prayer": "...forgive us our trespasses (sins, debts) as we forgive those who trespass against us..."
If we refuse to forgive, neither will God forgive.
Mat 6:14-15 (RSV) For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;
but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Harboring unforgiveness is like taking poison and hoping the other person will die.
Heb 12:15 (RSV) See to it that no one fail to obtain the grace of God; that no "root of bitterness" spring up and cause trouble, and by it the many become defiled;

iakov the fool

 

[KevinK]

I remember seeing an interview with Ali McGraw (the actor who had to deliver the now famous line), and she said something like (and I'm paraphrasing heavily from memory), "It's the stupidest thing I've ever had to say. Complete bunk."

 

[K2CHRIST]

I remember seeing an interview with Ali McGraw (the actor who had to deliver the now famous line), and she said something like (and I'm paraphrasing heavily from memory), "It's the stupidest thing I've ever had to say. Complete bunk."

Awesome quote, or kind of quote. I am happy to hear about it.

 

[Wrg1405]

I love my wife, my kids, my friends enough to say I'm sorry when I get it wrong.

I love my wife, my kids and my friends enough to try to never get it wrong.

 

[K2CHRIST]

I love my wife, my kids, my friends enough to say I'm sorry when I get it wrong.

I love my wife, my kids and my friends enough to try to never get it wrong.

I really like the concept in the above post. When and if we care about them we want to show that concern. One of the ways we can do that is to say were are sorry. In the healing ministry I am in there is a man who sets an wonderful example to us all by regularly telling us and those he ministers to that he is sorry if he has some thing wrong, when he does not appear to have done anything wrong. He obviously does that to show the concern he has for their feelings.

And I don't think it just a coincidence that he also happens to have the greatest anointing from God of anyone in the ministry. More miracles happen around him. More people wind up effected by the power of God when he is ministering. It is easy for all of the rest of us to see this. God knows the heart. If we care for people there is going to be a concern that we don't hurt them. We are going to be looking to say we are sorry not only if we know we have hurt them but also in case we might have.

So I loved the above post and might even suggest we could "when" to "in case" so it would read " I love my wife, my, my kids, my friends enough to say I'm sorry in case I get it wrong.

 

[iLOVE]

The majority of Christians know nothing about the Cross of Christ for sanctification. All they have in their mind is, "I have to do something." Satan has been the master of deception by deceiving the Christian population into moving them away from the Cross to something else.

K2CHRIST you are preaching "LAW"...however, you mean well.