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Squeakybro
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If you are a christian then why cant you answer a christian question?
do you hate your mom and dad?
do you hate your mom and dad?
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Judy
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Squeakybro said:
Squeakybro, do you hate your mom and dad?? :-?
- Exodus 20: 12. "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
- Leviticus 19: 3. `Every one of you shall revere his mother and his father, and keep My Sabbaths: I am the Lord your God.
- Deuteronomy 27:16. `Cursed is the one who treats his father or his mother with contempt.' And all the people shall say, `Amen!'
- Proverbs 20:20. Whoever curses his father or his mother, his lamp will be put out in deep darkness
- Proverbs 30:17. The eye that mocks his father, and scorns obedience to his mother, the ravens of the valley will pick it out, and the young eagles will eat it.
- Matthew 15:4. "For God commanded, saying, `Honor your father and your mother'; and, `He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.'
- Ephesians 6:2. "Honor your father and mother,'' which is the first commandment with promise:
- 1 Timothy 5:4. But if any widow has children or grandchildren, let them first learn to show piety at home and to repay their parents; for this is good and acceptable before God.
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Squeakybro
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Judy
you said
Squeakybro, do you hate your mom and dad??
I said
Judy I will answer your question. But know this it will give Free more to deceive with. Dont you know that anyone who can not answer this question yes has not even made it to being a disciple yet. And a disciple is a beginner. Free is not only NOT a disciple he doesnt have the authority to question any christians or criticize their answers.
Yes I hate my mother and father.
Luke 14:26-27
26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
27 "And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
(NKJ)
you said
Squeakybro, do you hate your mom and dad??
I said
Judy I will answer your question. But know this it will give Free more to deceive with. Dont you know that anyone who can not answer this question yes has not even made it to being a disciple yet. And a disciple is a beginner. Free is not only NOT a disciple he doesnt have the authority to question any christians or criticize their answers.
Yes I hate my mother and father.
Luke 14:26-27
26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
27 "And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
(NKJ)
Judy
Member
What do you think that verse means? and what is your definition of hate? Are you married SB? do you have any kids? Do you hate them?? Do you hate your brothers and sisters? How about your life??
Sorry guys I know I took this off topic
: But this question has been asked a number of times now. And I thought it needed to be addressed.
Sorry guys I know I took this off topic
: But this question has been asked a number of times now. And I thought it needed to be addressed.
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Gary
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Luke 14:25-33 25 Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, 26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. 27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it 29 lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, 30 saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish.’ 31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32 Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. 33 So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.
Commentary:
14:26 hate. A similar statement in Matt. 10:37 is the key to understanding this difficult command. The “hatred†called for here is actually a lesser love. Jesus was calling His disciples to cultivate such a devotion to Him that their attachment to everything elseâ€â€including their own livesâ€â€would seem like hatred by comparison.
14:27 bear his cross. i.e., willingly. This parallels the idea of hating one’s own life in v. 26.
14:28 count the cost. The multitudes were positive but uncommitted. Far from making it easy for them to respond positively, He set the cost of discipleship as high as possible (vv. 26, 27, 33)â€â€and encouraged them to do a careful inventory before declaring their willingness to follow.
14:33 forsake all. Only those willing to carefully assess the cost (vv. 28–32) and invest all they had in His kingdom were worthy to enter. This speaks of something far more than mere abandonment of one’s material possessions; it is an absolute, unconditional surrender. His disciples were permitted to retain no privileges and make no demands. They were to safeguard no cherished sins; treasure no earthly possessions; and cling to no secret self-indulgences. Their commitment to Him must be without reservation.
Source: John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
Commentary:
14:26 hate. A similar statement in Matt. 10:37 is the key to understanding this difficult command. The “hatred†called for here is actually a lesser love. Jesus was calling His disciples to cultivate such a devotion to Him that their attachment to everything elseâ€â€including their own livesâ€â€would seem like hatred by comparison.
14:27 bear his cross. i.e., willingly. This parallels the idea of hating one’s own life in v. 26.
14:28 count the cost. The multitudes were positive but uncommitted. Far from making it easy for them to respond positively, He set the cost of discipleship as high as possible (vv. 26, 27, 33)â€â€and encouraged them to do a careful inventory before declaring their willingness to follow.
14:33 forsake all. Only those willing to carefully assess the cost (vv. 28–32) and invest all they had in His kingdom were worthy to enter. This speaks of something far more than mere abandonment of one’s material possessions; it is an absolute, unconditional surrender. His disciples were permitted to retain no privileges and make no demands. They were to safeguard no cherished sins; treasure no earthly possessions; and cling to no secret self-indulgences. Their commitment to Him must be without reservation.
Source: John F. MacArthur, Jr., The MacArthur Study Bible, (Dallas: Word Publishing) 1997.
Judy
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Thanks Gary. :-D
Here are the footnotes in Nelson study Bible for Luke 14:26-27
Does not hate: The essence of discipleship is giving Christ first place. To " hate" one's family and even one's life is rhetorical. It refers to desiring something less than something else. This instruction was especially appropriate in Jesus' day, since a decision for Jesus could mean rejection by family and persecution even to the point of death. Those who feared family disapproval or persecution would not come to Jesus.
v.27 Jesus' call here is to follow Him in th away of rejection and suffering.A disciple will be rejected by those in the world who do not honor Christ. Therefore, the disciple must be ready to face and accept such rejection.
Here are the footnotes in Nelson study Bible for Luke 14:26-27
Does not hate: The essence of discipleship is giving Christ first place. To " hate" one's family and even one's life is rhetorical. It refers to desiring something less than something else. This instruction was especially appropriate in Jesus' day, since a decision for Jesus could mean rejection by family and persecution even to the point of death. Those who feared family disapproval or persecution would not come to Jesus.
v.27 Jesus' call here is to follow Him in th away of rejection and suffering.A disciple will be rejected by those in the world who do not honor Christ. Therefore, the disciple must be ready to face and accept such rejection.
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Squeakybro
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A believer first believes, then will come understanding. It says it I believe it. therefore I stand up for it.
Luke 14:26-30
26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
27 "And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
28 "For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it--
29 "lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him,
30 "saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.'
(NKJ)
what it says is there are many who will fall short because they didnt take the first step right. There are many who turn into hypocrites because they didnt take the first step right. The first step to becoming a christian is becoming a disciple first. No one has the right to even interpret scripture until they are in the meat(apostles).
Free hasnt even become a disciple yet. To the real christians out there dont fall for the hecklers.
2 Tim 3:7
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
(NKJ)
Remember if one cant quote it their not led by the Holy Spirit to speak. They are only guessing. Those who quote it have the Word abiding in them.
John 5:38-42
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
41 "I do not receive honor from men.
42 "But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you.
(NKJ)
Luke 14:26-30
26 "If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple.
27 "And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.
28 "For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it--
29 "lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him,
30 "saying, 'This man began to build and was not able to finish.'
(NKJ)
what it says is there are many who will fall short because they didnt take the first step right. There are many who turn into hypocrites because they didnt take the first step right. The first step to becoming a christian is becoming a disciple first. No one has the right to even interpret scripture until they are in the meat(apostles).
Free hasnt even become a disciple yet. To the real christians out there dont fall for the hecklers.
2 Tim 3:7
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
(NKJ)
Remember if one cant quote it their not led by the Holy Spirit to speak. They are only guessing. Those who quote it have the Word abiding in them.
John 5:38-42
38 "But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
41 "I do not receive honor from men.
42 "But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you.
(NKJ)
SB,
1 John 2:10-11, "10 The one who loves his brother abides in the Light and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes. "
1 John 4:7-13, "7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit."
Do you believe the above passages and are you going to stand up for them?
1 John 2:10-11, "10 The one who loves his brother abides in the Light and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But the one who hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going because the darkness has blinded his eyes. "
1 John 4:7-13, "7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. 8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. 9 By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. 13 By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit."
Do you believe the above passages and are you going to stand up for them?
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Squeakybro
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you said
Do you believe the above passages and are you going to stand up for them?
I said
yes I do. But because of your ignorance of the other verse. I want you to define love useing the verses. So I can see if you even know what love is. And you cant use 1Co 13 because that doesnt define love, that just shows evdience of love.
Do you believe the above passages and are you going to stand up for them?
I said
yes I do. But because of your ignorance of the other verse. I want you to define love useing the verses. So I can see if you even know what love is. And you cant use 1Co 13 because that doesnt define love, that just shows evdience of love.
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serapha
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Hi there!
Thayer's lexicon explains it quite well, in that for to love less or to slight, and it is relative to the passion and excitability of oriental custom... we (occidentals) are not as excitable and view it in terms of indifference of in less/more interest to... but as occidentals, it is not traditionally the same as for orientals, the word "hate" carries a different meaning.
An oriental may hate while an occidental simply loves less.
also Robertson' agrees with Thayer.... and perhaps those of us who do not understand Greek as well as the scholars should bow to their knowledge.
~serapha~
Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament
Hateth not (ou misei). An old and very strong verb misew, to hate, detest. The orientals use strong language where cooler spirits would speak of preference or indifference. But even so Jesus does not here mean that one must hate his father or mother of necessity or as such, for Matthew 15:4 proves the opposite. It is only where the element of choice comes in (cf. Matthew 6:24) as it sometimes does, when father or mother opposes Christ. Then one must not hesitate. The language here is more sharply put than in Matthew 10:37. The ou here coalesces with the verb misei in this conditional clause of the first class determined as fulfilled. It is the language of exaggerated contrast, it is true, but it must not be watered down till the point is gone. In mentioning "and wife" Jesus has really made a comment on the excuse given in verse Matthew 20 (I married a wife and so I am not able to come). And his own life also (eti te kai thn psuchn eautou). Note te kai, both--and. "The te (B L) binds all the particulars into one bundle of renuncianda" (Bruce). Note this same triple group of conjunctions (eti te kai) in Acts 21:28, "And moreover also," "even going as far as his own life." Martyrdom should be an ever-present possibility to the Christian, not to be courted, but not to be shunned. Love for Christ takes precedence "over even the elemental instinct of self-preservation" (Ragg).
Thayer's lexicon explains it quite well, in that for to love less or to slight, and it is relative to the passion and excitability of oriental custom... we (occidentals) are not as excitable and view it in terms of indifference of in less/more interest to... but as occidentals, it is not traditionally the same as for orientals, the word "hate" carries a different meaning.
An oriental may hate while an occidental simply loves less.
also Robertson' agrees with Thayer.... and perhaps those of us who do not understand Greek as well as the scholars should bow to their knowledge.
~serapha~
Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament
Hateth not (ou misei). An old and very strong verb misew, to hate, detest. The orientals use strong language where cooler spirits would speak of preference or indifference. But even so Jesus does not here mean that one must hate his father or mother of necessity or as such, for Matthew 15:4 proves the opposite. It is only where the element of choice comes in (cf. Matthew 6:24) as it sometimes does, when father or mother opposes Christ. Then one must not hesitate. The language here is more sharply put than in Matthew 10:37. The ou here coalesces with the verb misei in this conditional clause of the first class determined as fulfilled. It is the language of exaggerated contrast, it is true, but it must not be watered down till the point is gone. In mentioning "and wife" Jesus has really made a comment on the excuse given in verse Matthew 20 (I married a wife and so I am not able to come). And his own life also (eti te kai thn psuchn eautou). Note te kai, both--and. "The te (B L) binds all the particulars into one bundle of renuncianda" (Bruce). Note this same triple group of conjunctions (eti te kai) in Acts 21:28, "And moreover also," "even going as far as his own life." Martyrdom should be an ever-present possibility to the Christian, not to be courted, but not to be shunned. Love for Christ takes precedence "over even the elemental instinct of self-preservation" (Ragg).
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serapha
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Since I am occidental and not oriental, it is not suggested of God to "hate" my parents.
so... my answer is "no, I don't hate my mom and dad." therefore, I can love my parents and still be a disciple of Christ.
~serapha~
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Squeakybro
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you said
so... my answer is "no, I don't hate my mom and dad." therefore, I can love my parents and still be a disciple of Christ.
I said
well I guess you have a right to your opinion even if it is wrong. Your useing human wisdom. You seem to put alot of faith in your own opinion and your carnal reasoning. I'm sorry but none of them will get you to heaven.
Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
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1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
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Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
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so... my answer is "no, I don't hate my mom and dad." therefore, I can love my parents and still be a disciple of Christ.
I said
well I guess you have a right to your opinion even if it is wrong. Your useing human wisdom. You seem to put alot of faith in your own opinion and your carnal reasoning. I'm sorry but none of them will get you to heaven.
Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
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1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
(NKJ)
Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)
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Asimov
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serapha said:
That's stupid. If Jesus was trying to make a comparison, hate isn't exactly the proper word to use in this context if you want to get across the idea to not love them more than God.
My confusion in this matter lies in the words themselves. Love is the max word you can use to describe feelings of affection. There are different types of love, I'm sure God can see and understand that. There's brotherly love, which is described as love for a sibling, or a close friend. There's parental love, which is love for a parent, grandparent, someone who's older and a father/mother figure. There is the romantic love, which is more for reasons of mating, and spending a lifetime together. Then there is the worshipful love, associated with a deity, this is love of God.
Now, here is where my confusion lies, you can't love someone more than someone else, because love doesn't come in degrees, it is the maximum feeling. You can love each person in a different way, but IMO, there is no way to love your brother more than your sister, or your mother more than your father, you love each of them in their own ways. This goes for God as well.
So saying that you shouldn't love your family more than God is in fact a moot point to make. There is no way to love one thing over another, you can only love each individual in their own individual way.
In conclusion, if God is aware of these different types of love, then surely there would be no need to be saying that you can't love your family over him. And either God is actually saying to Hate your family, or what he's saying is entirely irrelevant. [/quote]
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Squeakybro
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In conclusion, if God is aware of these different types of love,
I said
Well I wish I wasnt the one to have to tell you this. But God is NOT AWARE of them kinds of love. None of them are in the Word of God. And if you read the Word you will find out there is only one love and God created it. The emotion of love that your refering to is actually lust or coveting. Love is not even a feeling it is an action.
In conclusion, if God is aware of these different types of love,
I said
Well I wish I wasnt the one to have to tell you this. But God is NOT AWARE of them kinds of love. None of them are in the Word of God. And if you read the Word you will find out there is only one love and God created it. The emotion of love that your refering to is actually lust or coveting. Love is not even a feeling it is an action.
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Asimov
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Squeakybro said:
What??
Love is shown through actions. It is a feeling of affection for another person or thing.
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Squeakybro
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I said
Sorry but love is not a feeling it is the action of suffering wrongfully but doing it willingly.
LOVE? (CAN YOU DEFINE LOVE)(SUFFERING WRONGFULLY BUT DOING IT WILLINGLY)
John 13:34
34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
1 Pet 4:19
19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator.
I Jn 3:23
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
1 Pet 2:19
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Pet 2:21-22
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 "Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth";
II Th 3:13
13 But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good.
1 Tim 1:5-6
5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk,
Gal 5:5-6
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
II Th 2:9-12
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Rev 3:17-19
17 "Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'-- and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked--
18 "I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
Rev 3:15-16
15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
Rev 3:20
20 "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
1Thes 5:8-9
8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.
9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 6:13-17
13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
1 Pet 2:19
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Pet 2:21
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
Gal 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Luke 6:37-38
37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
38 "Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you."
Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
1 Pet 2:19
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Pet 2:21
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
I Jn 4:16
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
I Jn 4:8
8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
Rom 3:21-23
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
II Th 1:3-5
3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other,
4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure,
5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer;
1 Cor 13:1-13
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
1 Pet 2:19
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Pet 2:21
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
1 Tim 1:5
5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
II Jn 1:6
6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
1 Pet 3:17
17 For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
1 Cor 10:24
24 Let no one seek his own, but each one the other's well-being.
(NKJ)
Gal 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
(NKJ)
Everyone is made up of feelings and emotions and thoughts. And the Holy Spirit only quotes verses. Now to walk according to the Holy Spirit one will have to obey every verse that enters their mind from the Holy Spirit. And to do this one will have to go against all their feelings and emotions. That will be so hard that one will find they cant do it on their own, so they will have to pray to God for help. When one finds they cant do it on their own, but after they pray they can do it. This is how the love of God is revealed to them. Then one has an experiance in walking in love. Love is not a feeling or an emotion. Love is the act of going against all your emotions and feelings-suffering wrongfully. The feeling that most are deceived into thinking is love is in reality lust or coveting. Like when someone says I would love to have a two story house, or I would love to have lots of money. In spiritual reality they are saying I covet a two story house, or I lust after money. Covet is singular, and lust is plural(emotions).
Gal 5:17
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
Acts 5:41
41 So they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name.
(NKJ)
Now all our emotions are unclean spirit and our unclean spirits(emotions)want us to stand up and fight for justice or law. Which is from the old testament law of sin and death. And God is going to judge us with the same measure of anything we live by. Whether it be wrath, anger, violence, compassion, love, or selfishness.
Luke 16:16
16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
Matt 11:12-13
12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
(NKJ)
xx And what Christians want God to do is sacrifice the law of sin and death. And to get God to, we have to do it first. Love is an action not an emotion. God is going to judge us, and use on us the very same things that we use on others. If you dont want God standing up for His rights then dont stand up for yours while on earth. If you dont want God to give you what you deserve then dont give others what they deserve. If you want God to forgive you on judgment day then you forgive others while on earth. Because the same measure that you use on others determines the same measure that God is going to use on you. And everyone has fallen short.
Luke 6:27-32
27 "But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
28 "bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you.
29 "To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either.
30 "Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back.
31 "And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.
32 "But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
(NKJ)
Sorry but love is not a feeling it is the action of suffering wrongfully but doing it willingly.
LOVE? (CAN YOU DEFINE LOVE)(SUFFERING WRONGFULLY BUT DOING IT WILLINGLY)
John 13:34
34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.
1 Pet 4:19
19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator.
I Jn 3:23
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
1 Pet 2:19
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Pet 2:21-22
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 "Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth";
II Th 3:13
13 But as for you, brethren, do not grow weary in doing good.
1 Tim 1:5-6
5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk,
Gal 5:5-6
5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.
II Th 2:9-12
9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Rev 3:17-19
17 "Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'-- and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked--
18 "I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.
19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.
Rev 3:15-16
15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.
Rev 3:20
20 "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
1Thes 5:8-9
8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.
9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 6:13-17
13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
1 Pet 2:19
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Pet 2:21
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
Gal 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
Luke 6:37-38
37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
38 "Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you."
Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
1 Pet 2:19
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Pet 2:21
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
I Jn 4:16
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
I Jn 4:8
8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
Rom 3:21-23
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
II Th 1:3-5
3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other,
4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure,
5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer;
1 Cor 13:1-13
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, but have not love, it profits me nothing.
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil;
6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
1 Pet 2:19
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
1 Pet 2:21
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
1 Tim 1:5
5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
II Jn 1:6
6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
1 Pet 3:17
17 For it is better, if it is the will of God, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.
1 Cor 10:24
24 Let no one seek his own, but each one the other's well-being.
(NKJ)
Gal 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
(NKJ)
Everyone is made up of feelings and emotions and thoughts. And the Holy Spirit only quotes verses. Now to walk according to the Holy Spirit one will have to obey every verse that enters their mind from the Holy Spirit. And to do this one will have to go against all their feelings and emotions. That will be so hard that one will find they cant do it on their own, so they will have to pray to God for help. When one finds they cant do it on their own, but after they pray they can do it. This is how the love of God is revealed to them. Then one has an experiance in walking in love. Love is not a feeling or an emotion. Love is the act of going against all your emotions and feelings-suffering wrongfully. The feeling that most are deceived into thinking is love is in reality lust or coveting. Like when someone says I would love to have a two story house, or I would love to have lots of money. In spiritual reality they are saying I covet a two story house, or I lust after money. Covet is singular, and lust is plural(emotions).
Gal 5:17
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
Acts 5:41
41 So they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name.
(NKJ)
Now all our emotions are unclean spirit and our unclean spirits(emotions)want us to stand up and fight for justice or law. Which is from the old testament law of sin and death. And God is going to judge us with the same measure of anything we live by. Whether it be wrath, anger, violence, compassion, love, or selfishness.
Luke 16:16
16 "The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
Matt 11:12-13
12 "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
(NKJ)
xx And what Christians want God to do is sacrifice the law of sin and death. And to get God to, we have to do it first. Love is an action not an emotion. God is going to judge us, and use on us the very same things that we use on others. If you dont want God standing up for His rights then dont stand up for yours while on earth. If you dont want God to give you what you deserve then dont give others what they deserve. If you want God to forgive you on judgment day then you forgive others while on earth. Because the same measure that you use on others determines the same measure that God is going to use on you. And everyone has fallen short.
Luke 6:27-32
27 "But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
28 "bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you.
29 "To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also. And from him who takes away your cloak, do not withhold your tunic either.
30 "Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back.
31 "And just as you want men to do to you, you also do to them likewise.
32 "But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
(NKJ)
S
serapha
Guest
Squeakybro said:
Hi there!
Lu 6:37
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
"Thayer's lexicon explains it quite well"
"Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament"
I will take Greek scholars over your personal statement that God gave you revelation contrary to the Word of God any day. The Holy Spirit is not going to contradict the Bible. If you hate everyone which is what you are teaching is required of a true disciple, then the love of God is not in you.
As someone already quoted to you...
" 8 The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. "
Are you saying that God's love is limited to what you say that it is ... or what the 1500 revelations you claim to be revelation say they are?
What a crock.... I love fried potatoes, but I love peanut butter pie better.
God's word tells us of many different types of love... so what you are teaching is contrary to what the Bible teaches us.
So who/what is the true Word of God... The Holy Bible, or your revelations that contradict The Holy Bible?
The New Testament Greek Lexicon
Found 24 entries matching: love English Translation Original Word Transliterated Word
1266 cloven diamerivzw diamerizo
25 love ajgapavw agapao
25 beloved ajgapavw agapao
26 love ajgavph agape
27 beloved ajgaphtovß agapetos
27 dearly beloved ajgaphtovß agapetos
27 well beloved ajgaphtovß agapetos
4375 lovely prosfilhvß prosphiles
5207 my beloved Son uiJovß huios
5358 lover of good men filavgaqoß philagathos
5360 brotherly love filadelfiva philadelphia
5360 love of the brethren filadelfiva philadelphia
5361 love as brethren filavdelfoß philadelphos
5362 love their husbands fivlandroß philandros
5363 love toward man filanqrwpiva philanthropia
5365 love of money filarguriva philarguria
5367 lover of (one's) own self fivlautoß philautos
5368 love filevw phileo
5369 lover of pleasure filhvdonoß philedonos
5377 lover of God filovqeoß philotheos
5381 lover of strangers filoxeniva philoxenia
5382 lover of hospitality filovxenoß philoxenos
5383 love to have the preeminence filoprwteuvw philoproteuo
5388 love (one's) children filovteknoß philoteknos
Are you implying that all of the above mean exactly the same meaning? the same degree of love.... then why, in Greek, which is highly inflexive, are there so many words for love? why use 24 examples of one word?
~serapha~
S
Squeakybro
Guest
you said
Are you implying that all of the above mean exactly the same meaning? the same degree of love.... then why, in Greek, which is highly inflexive, are there so many words for love? why use 24 examples of one word?
I said
Some are refering to mans ignorance. Some are refering to what man thinks is love. That would be lust or coveting. But the Godly love that we are to learn is not a feeling. The love that God demands that we learn is for our salvation.
1 Tim 1:5-7
5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk,
7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.
(NKJ)
Luke 16:14
14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.
(NKJ)
Do you really believe that any of these loves are from God? The only one that people are not doing is the lovers of God. That is the true love that the Holy Spirit is trying to teach us.
2 Tim 3:2-5
2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good,
4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
(NKJ)
Are you implying that all of the above mean exactly the same meaning? the same degree of love.... then why, in Greek, which is highly inflexive, are there so many words for love? why use 24 examples of one word?
I said
Some are refering to mans ignorance. Some are refering to what man thinks is love. That would be lust or coveting. But the Godly love that we are to learn is not a feeling. The love that God demands that we learn is for our salvation.
1 Tim 1:5-7
5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,
6 from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk,
7 desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.
(NKJ)
Luke 16:14
14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him.
(NKJ)
Do you really believe that any of these loves are from God? The only one that people are not doing is the lovers of God. That is the true love that the Holy Spirit is trying to teach us.
2 Tim 3:2-5
2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good,
4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
(NKJ)
S
serapha
Guest
Squeakybro said:
Hi there!
:angel:
Let me see if I have this right,
You refer to the love that a man has for his parents, then condemn those that don't hate their parents...
then, you tell me about "Godly love" and reject all other forms of love.
Am I understanding you correctly, that you are relating man's love in relation to Godly love? and then, telling others that they aren't "disciples" because you relate man's love to Godly love?
And then you say this...
While I beat my head against the wall in frustration at your postings.....
would you file this....
Quit posting on this forum. You entrap people to reply so you may judge them according to your self-proclaimed revelations from God, and you misrepresent biblical teachings.
Then file this...
The Bible teaches many different types of love, you reject that concept saying there are not "degrees" of love
The Bible teaches that God is love, and then you reject that some forms of love do not come from God.
Love is an emotion that God gave man.... it is not something that YOU determine did, or did not, come from God.
God gave man all emotions.... it's a part of man's being...
So stop demeaning what God does and what the TRUE Word of God teaches.
Again, the Holy Spirit will not lead people into truth contrary to biblical teachings.
It might be better for you to learn from Christians here rather than trying to teach false doctrines to people here.
I personally feel that all of your postings belong on the "other religion forum" since all of your posting concern a new religion...
~serapha~
S
Squeakybro
Guest
That is away to intellectual for me to follow the reasoning. I did understand that you think love is an emotion.
Now you get yourself a dictionary and look up the definition of passion. In all of the ones I looked in it says emotions. Then look at verse 24 and read it carefully. Those who have made it to Christ HAVE CRUCIFIED THEIR FLESH WITH ITS PASSIONS AND DESIRES.
Gal 5:17-24
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
(NKJ)
Now you get yourself a dictionary and look up the definition of passion. In all of the ones I looked in it says emotions. Then look at verse 24 and read it carefully. Those who have made it to Christ HAVE CRUCIFIED THEIR FLESH WITH ITS PASSIONS AND DESIRES.
Gal 5:17-24
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
(NKJ)