Bible Study Luke 14:26-27 (Do you hate your mom and dad?)

[Vice]

I heartily agree with Seraph. Squeaky, virtually all of your posts belong in the "other religions" forum.

Those who have made it to Christ HAVE CRUCIFIED THEIR FLESH WITH ITS PASSIONS AND DESIRES.

This statement of yours is very telling. One of Christendom's basic beliefs is that humans, of their own volition, could never have approached God, so God came to us (in the person of Jesus). You speak of Christ as if he were a goal to be achieved.

Definitely another religion altogether.

 

[Squeakybro]

you said
). You speak of Christ as if he were a goal to be achieved.

I said
Its obvious your not even going to try. I can tell you this faith is dead without works.

John 13:15-17
15 "For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.
16 "Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him.
17 "If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them.
(NKJ)

Phil 3:17-18
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern.
18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
(NKJ)

II Th 3:9
9 not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us.
(NKJ)

1 Tim 4:12-13
12 Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
13 Till I come, give attention to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.
(NKJ)

James 5:10
10 My brethren, take the prophets, who spoke in the name of the Lord, as an example of suffering and patience.
(NKJ)

1 Pet 2:21-22
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
22 "Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth";
(NKJ)

 

[serapha]

you said
). You speak of Christ as if he were a goal to be achieved.

I said
Its obvious your not even going to try. I can tell you this faith is dead without works.

SB,

If I never have another "work" in my life, I can still have the assurance that I will be in the presence of God when I die. Being redeemed is not based upon works, it is based on my faith that Jesus Christ will (and did) save me.


I don't have to "try" ... that's a "work".


I have to believe... faith.


~serapha~

 

[serapha]

I said
Sorry but love is not a feeling it is the action of suffering wrongfully but doing it willingly.
LOVE? (CAN YOU DEFINE LOVE)(SUFFERING WRONGFULLY BUT DOING IT WILLINGLY)

Hello SB

:angel:

Love is an emotion, not an action. Our response to love results in actions towards the person or thing but love still remains an emotion.


I want you to think back to a time when you first fell in love with a person, and you looked for opportunities to be with that person, you set aside time to be with that person, you did things that you knew would please that person, you talked to please them, and you dressed to please them.


Loving God is the same way. When you fall in love with God, you will look for ways to meet God, set aside time to be with God, do things that you know will please God, talk to please Him, walk to please Him.


But all those things that you conscientiously decide to do because of your love of God, they are actions resulting from your love of God, and not that love is a action... your love of God still remains an emotion... a feeling of the inner man.

John 13:34
34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

How can you post that we are to love one another, yet hate parents?????

I Jn 3:23
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Again, we are to love one another, yet hate our parents?

1 Tim 1:5-6
5 Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith,

The word "commandment" is derived from 6-7 different words in Hebrew and in Greek.... this usage of the word "commandment" is not as in a commandment from God, but as in the teachings of man.


I would hope that it would open your eyes to know that you posted a commandment of man on equal standing as with a commandment of God.

II Th 2:9-12

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Are you implying that the rest of Christendom is in a delusion while you alone have the truth? Here's your wake-up call... That delusion was given to those who heard the true Gospel of Jesus Christ and rejected that message...


Hellloooooo!


Who here has rejected the true Gospel of Jesus Christ for 1500 added personal revelations from God that are being shoveled as corporate revelations for the rest of the world?

Rev 3:15-16
15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot.
16 "So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth.

Amen!

:-D

Remember SB, that being "hot" on the wrong message has eternal results also....

Rev 3:20
20 "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.

What an opportunity... SB...


I want to ask you. Is there a time in your life when you know that you know that Jesus Christ saved you? Is there a time in your life, a specific moment, when you know that your life changed, not that you were rearranged, but a NEW creature in Christ?


Is there a time when you gave up your "works" for salvation, and relied on your faith alone for salvation?


"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me."


No "works" in that program.... I would ask you to reconsider all 1500 revelations that you claim are from God, I would ask you to put all 1500 revelations side-by-side with the Word of God, and then ask yourself.... why do the two not agree?

Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

I cannot "judge" someone who professes Christianity, but I can certain inspect their "fruit".... The fruit of the Spirit is love....peace... joy....


not contention.... division.... hate ....

Is your "fruit" loving, kind, and gentle?


~serapha~

 

[Squeakybro]

you said
I want you to think back to a time when you first fell in love with a person, and you looked for opportunities to be with that person, you set aside time to be with that person, you did things that you knew would please that person, you talked to please them, and you dressed to please them.


I said
Sorry but that is coveting a person.

 

[Free]

SB,

Are we supposed to love God? What about marriage, are we supposed to love our spouses?

 

[serapha]

you said
I want you to think back to a time when you first fell in love with a person, and you looked for opportunities to be with that person, you set aside time to be with that person, you did things that you knew would please that person, you talked to please them, and you dressed to please them.


I said
Sorry but that is coveting a person.

Hi there!

:angel:

No, that's not coveting a person, that's caring about a person.... coveting involves another person's property, or say, something that you don't or can't have yourself.... anyone can have a relationship, it's a natural occurrence in life, a part of being the person God created us to be.


SB, care to address the other comments... particularly giving the word "commandment" equal status whether is is a commandment of God or a commandment of man.


~serapha~

 

[serapha]

Just for the record, in John 3:16:

For God so loved the world...

That passage show that God loved the world in such a manner that He would send His Son ....

Never with the implication that this type of love was the only way to love Himself or His creation.


~serapha~

 

[Squeakybro]

Rom 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet."
(NKJ)

Exod 20:17
17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's."
(NKJ)

 

[Free]

And just what do those verses prove SB? Did you see my previous post? I had a couple of questions in there.

 

[Squeakybro]

Sarapha said
No, that's not coveting a person, that's caring about a person.... coveting involves another person's property, or say, something that you don't or can't have yourself.... anyone can have a relationship, it's a natural occurrence in life, a part of being the person God created us to be.


I said

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Rom 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet."
(NKJ)

Exod 20:17
17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's."
(NKJ)

 

[serapha]

you said
I want you to think back to a time when you first fell in love with a person, and you looked for opportunities to be with that person, you set aside time to be with that person, you did things that you knew would please that person, you talked to please them, and you dressed to please them.


I said
Sorry but that is coveting a person.



Sarapha said
No, that's not coveting a person, that's caring about a person.... coveting involves another person's property, or say, something that you don't or can't have yourself.... anyone can have a relationship, it's a natural occurrence in life, a part of being the person God created us to be.


I said

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Rom 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet."
(NKJ)

Exod 20:17
17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's."
(NKJ)

Hi there!

:angel:


Quoting a passage about "coveting" does not mean that you understand what the text says, for the implication from your postings is that you don't understand the Bible.


I believe it would be better for you to seek christian counsel rather than trying to give counsel which isn't Christian.




~serapha~

 

[Squeakybro]

If you cant think of nothing to reply thats ok.

 

[Vic C.]

Well, three pages of bantering. If there is a point to be made SB, I wish it would come soon. Otherwise I WILL move this thread to another Forum...or worse, lock it. This hardly constitutes a Bible Study.

 

[Asimov]

Well, three pages of bantering. If there is a point to be made SB, I wish it would come soon. Otherwise I WILL move this thread to another Forum...or worse, lock it. This hardly constitutes a Bible Study.

This consitutes Bible Molestation.
Is there a Bible Molestation area??
That's what I thought.

 

[Squeakybro]

Well it is obvious the replies are not with any bible foundation. Just heckling.

 

[Vic C.]

Well it is obvious the replies are not with any bible foundation. Just heckling.

Will you 'heckle' when rebuked by Jesus? I thought not. :-?

 

[Squeakybro]

To many people put their faith in human wisdom and not in the Word of God. They follow man instead of the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. I go around demonstrating the Spirit.

1 Cor 2:3-5
3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
(NKJ)

 

[Asimov]

To many people put their faith in human wisdom and not in the Word of God. They follow man instead of the Holy Spirit and the Word of God. I go around demonstrating the Spirit.

That's hilarious, because that's exactly what everyone else says too...

 

[Squeakybro]

you said
That's hilarious, because that's exactly what everyone else says too...

I said
In what way is that hilarious?