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Bible Study Majority of Mankind Will Perish -NC

netchaplain

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Recorded history has always revealed that most of mankind has been unconcerned about being right with God. Scripture, esp. in the New Testament, reveals this truism and a prime evidence of support is Christ’s proclamation in Matthew 7:13, 14: “Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Our Lord was utilizing comparative terms in the above passage to disclose that even though the saved will be innumerable by man’s standard (Rev 7:9), they will be considered few in comparison to the unsaved. This concept is also evident in the many Scriptural usages of the term “world†when referring to the majority of the Earth’s inhabitants. A prime evidence of support concerns a question that Judas Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus and is considered to be Jude, the Apostle who wrote the epistle of Jude, asked Christ in John 14:21, 22: “He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him. Judas saith unto Him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world� In this sense the term “world†is in reference to the majority of the Earth’s inhabitants, otherwise it would also include the Apostles and the remnant of the saved.

Realizing most will perish increases the urgency of outreach and being aware of this truism can cause us to be more knowledgeable of God’s ways of using us to draw others to Christ.

The question could be asked, “Since God is omniscient and knew most would not choose His way, why did He create man? One reply could be, “He did it for the sake of those He new would be savedâ€!
 
Well, I do know this. Jesus said that no man can come to Him save the Spirit draw him. So, it is not in the inherent nature of Adam's fallen race to even want to come to God. God chooses us and as the bible said, predestined us to be conformed to the image of his son. Does that mean the rest are lost? Not necessarily now. Perhaps God did not call them as the primary purpose of the church is to rule and reign with Christ, being priests to teach the rest of the world in the coming Kingdom. Perhaps they are not called now, but I do know that as Peter pointed out that God is not willing any should perish. Also, when Christ was lifted up, would draw all men unto him. In a nutshell, everyone will be given a chance, whether now or later according to God's calling, and from that a person has the free will to accept or reject.

I find it easiest to know God's plan of redemption given by the feasts of the Lord as they are shadows of things to come --- many more will be saved in the millennium, and even more of those at the end at the Great White Throne Judgement. Right now, the church as I said are the ones who will be Kings and Priests and they are called for that purpose.
 
At the end of the first world, it was estimated some say up to 6 billion people were on earth, and of course we know how many People God saved out of that 8 ! So go figure !
 
Terrific!!!Well...does it mean God has a high standard???:shrug Perhaps man is way too stubborn:dunnoI like the verse that says (my paraphrase): one will be taken and the other left. Seems to suggest it's a 50:50 thing;) - half of the population of the world with God and the other half :confused :shocked...
 
Classik said:
Terrific!!!Well...does it mean God has a high standard???:shrug Perhaps man is way too stubborn:dunnoI like the verse that says (my paraphrase): one will be taken and the other left. Seems to suggest it's a 50:50 thing;) - half of the population of the world with God and the other half :confused :shocked...
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All will be saved whom He purposed to be saved, just as in Noah's Day !
 
savedbygrace57 said:
All will be saved whom He purposed to be saved, just as in Noah's Day !
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The timing is the question...

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Only some are offered salvation now, those living in the Millenium will be offered salvation and then the vast majority are offered in the Great White Throne Judgement...

Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

Pictured by the feast day known as the Last Great Day.

The understanding of God's plan and timing is only revealed in the Feast Days of Lev 23...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Now this was written around 60 AD, 29 years after the crucifixion and Paul refers to the Holy Days as shadows of things yet to come. They depict God's plan step by step.
 
I believe the "Great White Throne" judgement is the second and last resurrection and will involve the the damned only, which had no part in "the first resurrection" which involved the saved only. Rev 20:5 attributes v 4 as "the first resurrection".

The reason why "the book of life" is opened along with "the books" is to observe whose names were not written in it as a witness and testimony against them; as appears from Revelation 20:15 and Daniel 7:10.

Besides, the saints will not be "judged', esp. by our works, for this is said to be only to the devils (2 Cor 11:15) and the damned (Rev 20:12, 13) during the last resurrection, which are these two verses.

The saints at "the judgement seat of Christ" will receive good rewards, which good was done by grace; the lost will receive evil rewards, which will be a just
and due reward according to Christ's justice.
 
netchaplain said:
I believe the "Great White Throne" judgement is the second and last resurrection and will involve the the damned only, which had no part in "the first resurrection" which involved the saved only. Rev 20:5 attributes v 4 as "the first resurrection".

The reason why "the book of life" is opened along with "the books" is to observe whose names were not written in it as a witness and testimony against them; as appears from Revelation 20:15 and Daniel 7:10.

Besides, the saints will not be "judged', esp. by our works, for this is said to be only to the devils (2 Cor 11:15) and the damned (Rev 20:12, 13) during the last resurrection, which are these two verses.

The saints at "the judgement seat of Christ" will receive good rewards, which good was done by grace; the lost will receive evil rewards, which will be a just
and due reward according to Christ's justice.
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Let me ask something after I expand out on the feasts of the Lord. If we look at the feasts of the Lord, they all involve the Lord's plan of Redemption for mankind. Grant it, not every feast has overwhelming happiness, but the result of it has something to do with salvation.

Take Passover --- The Blood of the Lamb foreshadowed Christ's death. Not a happy theme, but the point in history where the price has been paid by His death.
Unleavened Bread - Coming out of our sins to a life in Christ
Firstfruits -- Resurrection giving us hope of eternal life
Pentecost-- this is the firstfruits of God's salavtion, commonly called the "birthday" of the church
Trumpets (yet to be fulfilled) --- Christ's Coming as King and the people's gathering
Atonement--- The putting away of Satan and "at-one-ment" with the people
Tabernacles --- the Millennial reign of Christ, the Kingdom, many saved at that time.

So, there we have all the feasts so far have some salvation theme to it. It's ultimately good news. But we have one feast yet.

The 8th day the Great day--- symbolic of the White Throne Judgement. So my question is, if all the feasts focus on man's salvation, then why all of a sudden would God put a damper on things and conclude His feasts with a theme of damnation?
The old testament ends with the word "curse" but the new testament with "grace". I would think God would conclude it all with grace in the same manner. Regarding what Jesus said about that last Great Day, see John 7:37.
 
Fine by me, I really don't like most people anyway. Bad enough I've got to see them on earth, I sure wouldn't want to have to see them in heaven
 
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Tim, I don't know what you mean by "a theme of damnation". To who?
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I just meant that if nobody is supposedly saved at the GWT judgement, but all there are judged lost, then that's the only feast that does not involve salvation like all the others. I find that strange and contradictory considering that's the whole purpose of the feasts to begin with.
 
No one needs to perish:

For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 RSV
 
Tim, many material's dealing with eschatology should be received as generic because of the lack of confirmed chronology assigned to much of the end-time events. I'm constantly re-evaluating my understandings of eschatology.
 
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The timing is the question...
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No its not. Just as few were saved in Noah's Day, so shall it be in the Day of Christ !

Few will be saved in comparison to how many people ever populated the earth.

Matt 7:14

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
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The numbers are impressive.

According to the US Census Bureau: as of Aug 29, 2012 @ 09:17 pm New York time, the resident population in the United States was approximately 314,262,721 with a death rate of approximately one every 14 seconds; which translates to an average of 6,171 American deaths of all ages, races, and genders during just one 24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths are under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 4,486 of the current daily death rate of 6,171 per 24 hours are adults. Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by setting their maximum percentage at 51% would indicate a minimum of 2,288 American adults transferring to perdition every day: which translates to roughly 95 per hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as the Lord didn't really specify exact percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many" at Mtt 7:13-14, Mtt 22:14, and Lk 13:22-24. But just think: if the traditional hell is a real place; then by the time CBS completes its half-hour evening news report, a bare-bones minimum of 47 Americans are new arrivals.

Using the ratio of 2,288 condemned souls per 314,262,721population: computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently estimated global population of 7,036,008,632 people, would suggest something like 51,226 new arrivals in hell every 24 hours; which translates to 2,134 souls every sixty minutes on the clock. By the time Paul McCartney wrapped the four-hour Olympic ceremony; something like 8,536 souls wrapped their life's journey to the Bible's hell.

That rate would fill the 51,800 seats of the new Yankee Stadium to capacity in roughly 24 hours and 16 minutes. In other words: if the world's condemned souls started filing into the stadium at 06:00 am this morning, then by 06:16 am tomorrow, the stadium would be full to capacity.

If those 24-hour numbers are fair; they suggest that 6,403,250 new arrivals will be checked into hell's penal colony by the time New Year's 2013 rolls around 125 days from today.

If any of the above is true, and if the Lord is a credible witness; then it's apparent that souls never stop cascading into the dungeons of hell in an endless procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers impaled on meat hooks passing annually through a Tyson chicken-processing plant on their way to Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, In-n-Out Burger, KFC, A&W, Arby's, Chic-Fil-A, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats.

Buen Camino
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If God weren't loving would he told us how to go to Heaven, through faith in his Son? He told us how to get to Heaven, yet many will add the basic way of salvation through believe. I think God knew most people, not which people just probably most, would probably reject the good and enjoy the darkness more. So yes more people are probably going to Hell.
 
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