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God has already given what is written that we prepare ourselves to know what is coming, but yet many reject His truth. If there were a pretrib rapture of the church then why would God just end all things at once after we are taken up. What would be the purpose of the seven trumpet and seven vial judgements. Below is what we need to expect to happen during the first six trumpets sounding that leads up to the son of perdition who takes his seat to deceive the world promising safety and provision as there will appear amazing signs and wonders that could deceive even the very elect of God if possible when the seventh trumpet has sounded, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12; Matthew 24:24.

Rev Chapter 8-9 First six trumpets

Hail and fire can be likened unto meteors that fall from the sky as the brimstone God brought down from heaven striking those in Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 19:24. A third of the trees and all the green grass are burned up which makes a third part of the world with a shortage of oxygen in the air that is created from the carbon dioxide from the trees and living plants. I would only imagine the drifting smoke itself would cause respiratory problems for many people.

Seeing that this is Global the intense fire and smoke from all the trees and grass burning can travel for miles causing much more damage throughout the nations. The trees that produce various healthy foods for our well being will become scarce. The green grasses that would probably include crops of wheat, barley, corn and so forth will be destroyed causing a shortage in food. The animals we depend on as a food source will also die as they are left without vegetation they need to live on.

This great mountain burning with fire could be another meteor or even a series of meteors sent down from heaven at one time, but on an extremely larger scale as the third part of the sea is destroyed along with sea life and the third part of the ships that sit in it. The third part of the sea turned to blood by reason of all the animal life that is killed and those men, women and children who are on these ships that are destroyed. Take into consideration the disease that would spread from all the rotted sea life that is rotting away washing up on the shore and the flesh of those who were burned along with the ships.

These ships will more than likely be types of fuel tankers, merchant, fishing and luxury cruises ships traveling the waters. With the third of these ships being destroyed means a third part of the world's fuel and food supply would be destroyed.

John saw in his vision a great star that is burning like a lamp that falls to earth. In John's time torches were used as a light source so this star burning like a lamp or a torch could be that of a burning comet falling or a series of comets falling on earth. I can only think it to be many comets as they fall on the third part of rivers and streams as it poisons the third part of the earth s fresh water supply and causes many to die from the bitter water they drink. This would also kill all fresh water fish leaving man without another food source.

This star is given a name called Wormwood because wormwood is a plant that can be potentially toxic in its pure form and has a bitter aroma to it. In large amounts, it can cause damage to the nervous system, resulting in convulsions, loss of muscle control, and sometimes death. Now we have a third part of the world without fresh water to drink.

With the third part of the sun, moon and stars being darkened this will affect mans source of electricity and heat that is vital to keep a certain degree of the earth warm, and generated power in homes, hospitals and manufacturing plants including nuclear reactors.

Agriculture and navigation would be hard pressed as it takes the solar power from the sun to run the solar cells that produces the energy needed to run farming machinery and trucks to take the produce to manufacturing plants where the produce is then distributed to market.

Vehicles such as cars, ambulances, planes, trains and the list goes on need an energy source from the sun in order to run their engines. The darkness of the third part of the day would be roughly around eight hours of daylight being lost and total darkness of night as the moon and stars are illuminated by the sun at night. A flashlight would be useless to see in the dark as it needs energy from the sun to run the battery that turns the light on.

This much darkness would cause people to panic in the streets creating chaos as the love of many will wax cold, Matthew 24:12. Riots would break out causing looting and lose of life as those who have not will do anything in desperation to take from those who have much. This will be the time frame for the son of perdition to take his seat in Jerusalem whom will cause all to bow down to him and take the mark of this beast or die a martyr's death, Rev 13.
 
What would be the purpose of the seven trumpet and seven vial judgements.
For the people that have decided not to follow Jesus , that is the purpose .

But those that are followers of Jesus are not appointed to wrath .

1 Thessalonians 5​
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
 
Hey All,
Perhaps I can explain why pre-trib enthusiasts are so inclined for_his_glory.

One of the clues pre-trib rapture believers use is the way Revelation is laid out.
Chapter 1 is the intro; that the book is the Revelation of Christ
Addressed to the seven churches in Asia.
Chapters 2-3 is Jesus addressing the seven individual churches.
Chapters 4-18 is the tribulation period. Of which, chapter 4 starts with "After this I looked . . . ."
After what?

Revelation 3:21-22 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Pre-trib believers believe that the "after this" refered to, in chapter 4, is Jesus taking His church (His bride) out of harm's way prior to the start of the tribulation period of time.

As such it is not a bad argument.
Why?
They are not taking Scripture out of context.
It reads that way.
Because the church is not mentioned in chapters 4-18.
Chapter 19 we see another transition, presumably at the end of the tribulation period.

Revelation 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:

"And after these things . . . " Is another transition from earth to heaven.

And this is where post-tribs hang their hats on why the rapture is after the tribulation period.
We see A large group of people in heaven celebrating the marriage supper of the Lamb.
What we are not told is whether this event in heaven is concurrent or after the tribulation period. To again be fair, post- trib believers do not have a bad argument either.
To finish:
Chapter 20 is about the 1000 year reign of Jesus over this world.
After which Satan is released for a short while.
Satan does his evil work and is cast into the lake of fire forever.
Then we see the judgement.
So the tribulation period has to be done before the 1000 year reign.
Chapter 21 introduces us to a new earth; in which the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven, and of which John is given a tour.
Chapter 22 finishes the description of the new Jerusalem, and closes out the book.

In the end what does it matter? I am not going to spend my time worrying about it.
Plan your life and make it what you want it to be. Live today for today. Whenever the rapture comes, just don't forget me Lord.
I am with John and agree, " . . . even so, come Lord Jesus." Amen.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
 
God has already given what is written that we prepare ourselves to know what is coming, but yet many reject His truth. If there were a pretrib rapture of the church then why would God just end all things at once after we are taken up. What would be the purpose of the seven trumpet and seven vial judgements. Below is what we need to expect to happen during the first six trumpets sounding that leads up to the son of perdition who takes his seat to deceive the world promising safety and provision as there will appear amazing signs and wonders that could deceive even the very elect of God if possible when the seventh trumpet has sounded, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12; Matthew 24:24.

Rev Chapter 8-9 First six trumpets

Hail and fire can be likened unto meteors that fall from the sky as the brimstone God brought down from heaven striking those in Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 19:24. A third of the trees and all the green grass are burned up which makes a third part of the world with a shortage of oxygen in the air that is created from the carbon dioxide from the trees and living plants. I would only imagine the drifting smoke itself would cause respiratory problems for many people.

Seeing that this is Global the intense fire and smoke from all the trees and grass burning can travel for miles causing much more damage throughout the nations. The trees that produce various healthy foods for our well being will become scarce. The green grasses that would probably include crops of wheat, barley, corn and so forth will be destroyed causing a shortage in food. The animals we depend on as a food source will also die as they are left without vegetation they need to live on.

This great mountain burning with fire could be another meteor or even a series of meteors sent down from heaven at one time, but on an extremely larger scale as the third part of the sea is destroyed along with sea life and the third part of the ships that sit in it. The third part of the sea turned to blood by reason of all the animal life that is killed and those men, women and children who are on these ships that are destroyed. Take into consideration the disease that would spread from all the rotted sea life that is rotting away washing up on the shore and the flesh of those who were burned along with the ships.

These ships will more than likely be types of fuel tankers, merchant, fishing and luxury cruises ships traveling the waters. With the third of these ships being destroyed means a third part of the world's fuel and food supply would be destroyed.

John saw in his vision a great star that is burning like a lamp that falls to earth. In John's time torches were used as a light source so this star burning like a lamp or a torch could be that of a burning comet falling or a series of comets falling on earth. I can only think it to be many comets as they fall on the third part of rivers and streams as it poisons the third part of the earth s fresh water supply and causes many to die from the bitter water they drink. This would also kill all fresh water fish leaving man without another food source.

This star is given a name called Wormwood because wormwood is a plant that can be potentially toxic in its pure form and has a bitter aroma to it. In large amounts, it can cause damage to the nervous system, resulting in convulsions, loss of muscle control, and sometimes death. Now we have a third part of the world without fresh water to drink.

With the third part of the sun, moon and stars being darkened this will affect mans source of electricity and heat that is vital to keep a certain degree of the earth warm, and generated power in homes, hospitals and manufacturing plants including nuclear reactors.

Agriculture and navigation would be hard pressed as it takes the solar power from the sun to run the solar cells that produces the energy needed to run farming machinery and trucks to take the produce to manufacturing plants where the produce is then distributed to market.

Vehicles such as cars, ambulances, planes, trains and the list goes on need an energy source from the sun in order to run their engines. The darkness of the third part of the day would be roughly around eight hours of daylight being lost and total darkness of night as the moon and stars are illuminated by the sun at night. A flashlight would be useless to see in the dark as it needs energy from the sun to run the battery that turns the light on.

This much darkness would cause people to panic in the streets creating chaos as the love of many will wax cold, Matthew 24:12. Riots would break out causing looting and lose of life as those who have not will do anything in desperation to take from those who have much. This will be the time frame for the son of perdition to take his seat in Jerusalem whom will cause all to bow down to him and take the mark of this beast or die a martyr's death, Rev 13.

Glad to have you back!
 
For the people that have decided not to follow Jesus , that is the purpose .

But those that are followers of Jesus are not appointed to wrath .

1 Thessalonians 5​
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
We are not to fear that which must come first before the return of Christ, but to be prepared for when Jesus returns so we will not be taken as a thief in the night.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
 
We are not to fear that which must come first before the return of Christ, but to be prepared for when Jesus returns so we will not be taken as a thief in the night.

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Hey All,
So are you, or anybody else out there, a prepper?
What have you stashed, and how long will it last?
I am not.
I trust God to take care of us whichever way He chooses.
We will be OK.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
 
Hey All,
So are you, or anybody else out there, a prepper?
What have you stashed, and how long will it last?
I am not.
I trust God to take care of us whichever way He chooses.
We will be OK.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
I'm not a prepper but do trust in God to supply our needs if we have to flee to the wilderness, which already surrounds us. I know enough about living off the land, but after the first six trumpets are sounded and the destruction to earth they will bring there will not be much for any resources. As God provided manna and Quail in the dessert, Exodus 16, He will also provide for His own until we are caught up to Christ when He returns on the last day.
 
Hey All,
So are you, or anybody else out there, a prepper?
What have you stashed, and how long will it last?
I am not.
I trust God to take care of us whichever way He chooses.
We will be OK.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
Well , we should be prepared for natural disasters don't you think ? :helmet

Earthquakes , floods , blizzards ,hurricanes , no power or no water for days on end , etc .

But how far do you take your prepping , that is another thing all together .

I agree Josef , we are blessed by the Best and He will take care of us :) .
 
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