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Joeri

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What is your view on Marijuana? Please back up your opinion with scripture.

my idea is that its a plant and a godgiven one with alot of medical uses also and therefore no sin.

The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem gathered around Jesus and 2saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were "unclean," that is, unwashed. 3(The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing, holding to the tradition of the elders. 4When they come from the marketplace they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions, such as the washing of cups, pitchers and kettles.[1] )
5So the Pharisees and teachers of the law asked Jesus, "Why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with 'unclean' hands?"
6He replied, "Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:
" 'These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7They worship me in vain;
their teachings are but rules taught by men.'[2] 8You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men."
9And he said to them: "You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[3] your own traditions! 10For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother,'[4] and, 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.'[5] 11But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban' (that is, a gift devoted to God), 12then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. 13Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that."
14Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.' "[6]
17After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")
20He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' 21For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' "
 
I'm not as sure on this matter as I would like to be, but I'm still for keeping it illegal. I know it has medical uses, but our body is still the temple of the Lord and the smoke can be rather damaging.
 
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
I'm not as sure on this matter as I would like to be, but I'm still for keeping it illegal. I know it has medical uses, but our body is still the temple of the Lord and the smoke can be rather damaging.

i believe only those things jesus described such as arrogance greed and so on damage it.
 
Marijuana smoke can cause lung cancer and other respiratory diseases just as cigarette smoke can, so I can understand your argument about damaging our bodies. However, the ill effects of smoke doesn't make marijuana inherently bad. First, such ill effects only occur after prolonged heavy usage, i.e. abuse. Second, it is possible to consume marijuana without burning it, in which there are no toxins produce. Marijuana can be responsibly used without destroying the body.

If marijuana were not illegal, there would be nothing wrong with smoking it. However, since it is illegal, it is a Christians duty to obey the law. Disobeying the law just to bring yourself some pleasure is sin.
 
cubedbee said:
Marijuana smoke can cause lung cancer and other respiratory diseases just as cigarette smoke can, so I can understand your argument about damaging our bodies. However, the ill effects of smoke doesn't make marijuana inherently bad. First, such ill effects only occur after prolonged heavy usage, i.e. abuse. Second, it is possible to consume marijuana without burning it, in which there are no toxins produce. Marijuana can be responsibly used without destroying the body.

If marijuana were not illegal, there would be nothing wrong with smoking it. However, since it is illegal, it is a Christians duty to obey the law. Disobeying the law just to bring yourself some pleasure is sin.
Whose laws? some people that I never chose to be the leaders? That rule is not inherent sin i think, but is there for the sake of not making christianity look bad. christ did nothing else than disobeying THEIR false law.
 
Joeri said:
cubedbee said:
Marijuana smoke can cause lung cancer and other respiratory diseases just as cigarette smoke can, so I can understand your argument about damaging our bodies. However, the ill effects of smoke doesn't make marijuana inherently bad. First, such ill effects only occur after prolonged heavy usage, i.e. abuse. Second, it is possible to consume marijuana without burning it, in which there are no toxins produce. Marijuana can be responsibly used without destroying the body.

If marijuana were not illegal, there would be nothing wrong with smoking it. However, since it is illegal, it is a Christians duty to obey the law. Disobeying the law just to bring yourself some pleasure is sin.
Whose laws? some people that I never chose to be the leaders? That rule is not inherent sin i think, but is there for the sake of not making christianity look bad. christ did nothing else than disobeying THEIR false law.

You may not have chosen them, but God did.

RO 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
RO 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
RO 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
RO 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
RO 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.[KJV]
 
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
Joeri said:
cubedbee said:
Marijuana smoke can cause lung cancer and other respiratory diseases just as cigarette smoke can, so I can understand your argument about damaging our bodies. However, the ill effects of smoke doesn't make marijuana inherently bad. First, such ill effects only occur after prolonged heavy usage, i.e. abuse. Second, it is possible to consume marijuana without burning it, in which there are no toxins produce. Marijuana can be responsibly used without destroying the body.

If marijuana were not illegal, there would be nothing wrong with smoking it. However, since it is illegal, it is a Christians duty to obey the law. Disobeying the law just to bring yourself some pleasure is sin.
Whose laws? some people that I never chose to be the leaders? That rule is not inherent sin i think, but is there for the sake of not making christianity look bad. christ did nothing else than disobeying THEIR false law.

You may not have chosen them, but God did.

RO 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
RO 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
RO 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
RO 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
RO 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.[KJV]
everyone has power over something. you make it sound like someone
is always perfect in his rulings. if right now muslims took over the USA in one day, then who has ordained it? and hwo should we obey?
God? or maybe just people who were lazy and afraid and godless?
There is no sin in marijuana smoking because some pharisees looking for money gave it a bad name 100 years ago.
 
There is no sin in marijuana smoking because some pharisees looking for money gave it a bad name 100 years ago.

Does it impair your judgment? I have been there and know that it does.

We are told repeatedly in the Bible to be sober.

1 Thess.5:6 ...Watch and be sober.

1Thess. 5:8 ...Let us who are of the day be sober

Titus 2:6 ...be sober minded

Titus 2:12 ...we should live soberly

1Peter 1:13 ... gird up the loins of your mind, be sober

1Peter 5:8 ...be sober
 
Judy said:
There is no sin in marijuana smoking because some pharisees looking for money gave it a bad name 100 years ago.

Does it impair your judgment? I have been there and know that it does.

We are told repeatedly in the Bible to be sober.

1 Thess.5:6 ...Watch and be sober.

1Thess. 5:8 ...Let us who are of the day be sober

Titus 2:6 ...be sober minded

Titus 2:12 ...we should live soberly

1Peter 1:13 ... gird up the loins of your mind, be sober

1Peter 5:8 ...be sober
that was mostly alcohol which is different. and even that is no sin, given the fact that our Lord changed water into wine.
i can smoke or drink but still think clear.
Of course ANYTHING that gets in the way of God and the person, should be banished for that person. God must be nr 1.
which is why selfcontrol is called a fruit of spirit.
 
Joeri said:
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
Joeri said:
cubedbee said:
Marijuana smoke can cause lung cancer and other respiratory diseases just as cigarette smoke can, so I can understand your argument about damaging our bodies. However, the ill effects of smoke doesn't make marijuana inherently bad. First, such ill effects only occur after prolonged heavy usage, i.e. abuse. Second, it is possible to consume marijuana without burning it, in which there are no toxins produce. Marijuana can be responsibly used without destroying the body.

If marijuana were not illegal, there would be nothing wrong with smoking it. However, since it is illegal, it is a Christians duty to obey the law. Disobeying the law just to bring yourself some pleasure is sin.
Whose laws? some people that I never chose to be the leaders? That rule is not inherent sin i think, but is there for the sake of not making christianity look bad. christ did nothing else than disobeying THEIR false law.

You may not have chosen them, but God did.

RO 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
RO 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
RO 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
RO 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
RO 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.[KJV]
everyone has power over something. you make it sound like someone
is always perfect in his rulings. if right now muslims took over the USA in one day, then who has ordained it? and hwo should we obey?
God? or maybe just people who were lazy and afraid and godless?
There is no sin in marijuana smoking because some pharisees looking for money gave it a bad name 100 years ago.

No, Joeri, you just wanted to take the scripture and ignore it. The text does not say anyone is perfect, it says to respect the judgement of they that are in authority over you. You can find it aslo in cripture that you are to ignore laws that force you to sin. You want your way here Joeri, that is clear. How about you start seeknig God's ways?

I have a question for you Joeri, do you believe in absolute, or relative truth?
 
[quote="Brutus/HisCatalyst]
No, Joeri, you just wanted to take the scripture and ignore it. The text does not say anyone is perfect, it says to respect the judgement of they that are in authority over you. You can find it aslo in cripture that you are to ignore laws that force you to sin. You want your way here Joeri, that is clear. How about you start seeknig God's ways?

I have a question for you Joeri, do you believe in absolute, or relative truth?[/quote]
actually i live in holland and its legal here for people my age :bday:
 
absolute? i believe in God and what he says is the truth. it is not so that every law is absolute. the laws are relative, god can change them.
 
Joeri said:
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
No, Joeri, you just wanted to take the scripture and ignore it. The text does not say anyone is perfect, it says to respect the judgement of they that are in authority over you. You can find it aslo in cripture that you are to ignore laws that force you to sin. You want your way here Joeri, that is clear. How about you start seeknig God's ways?

I have a question for you Joeri, do you believe in absolute, or relative truth?
actually i live in holland and its legal here for people my age :bday:

Well then go ahead and smoke away. I'm here in the U.S. and I am responding from the circumstances of my life. Would you mind answering my question please?
 
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
Joeri said:
[quote="Brutus/HisCatalyst":42368]
No, Joeri, you just wanted to take the scripture and ignore it. The text does not say anyone is perfect, it says to respect the judgement of they that are in authority over you. You can find it aslo in cripture that you are to ignore laws that force you to sin. You want your way here Joeri, that is clear. How about you start seeknig God's ways?

I have a question for you Joeri, do you believe in absolute, or relative truth?
actually i live in holland and its legal here for people my age :bday:

Well then go ahead and smoke away. I'm here in the U.S. and I am responding from the circumstances of my life. Would you mind answering my question please?[/quote:42368]
i already answered your question. i wrote 2 posts :angel:
 
My apologies, I didn't see your second post. God has established absoulte truths, they are the Laws written for us in the Bible.
 
Brutus/HisCatalyst said:
My apologies, I didn't see your second post. God has established absoulte truths, they are the Laws written for us in the Bible.
what im saying is that they are not so absolute, since jesus altered many of them. many torahic laws are fulfilled in jesus (sin sacrifice)
as jesus said also, when he worked on sabbath, sabbath , just like any other law, is made for men not men for sabbath not men for law.
 
Vic said:
Please lock this thread. :sad I know BL and myself would be ever grateful if you do.
would you mind first telling my what forum rule i break with this topic :-?
 
This thread is going to be locked and here is why. This is what Tos #7 says.

Rule 7 - No "Offensive" or "Illegal" Posts, Links or Images:
You will not post or PM any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, racist, sexist, discriminatory, blasphemous, satanic or otherwise violate any local or international laws.

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=9219

Joeri, your thread does not violate a rule, but it does contain posts that encourage the use of marijuana. Marijuana is not legal in all countries. I do not think it is appropriate to encourage a teen to break a law. While a rule has not been violated, this can be viewed as obscene by some users because it encourages an act that is not legal world wide.
 
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