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Mark of The Beast
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TOG
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No, not my loss. He's just another guy who thinks he knows who the beast is/was. I've heard plenty of those, and I stopped paying attention to them long ago. Everyone who claims that he knows who the beast is, says he is one of 3 things:
- Pope (either current, future or the papal office)
- Politician (current world leader or future leader of the "Evil Empire", whichever country he deems that to be)
- Caesar (Most often Nero, but might be some other Roman emperor)
The TOG
TOG
Member
I jumped to the last few minutes of the video, to see if he summarized it, since Willie isn't willing to. He compares the Christians of the first century, who were being fed to lions and burned alive, among other things he mentioned, to those of today, who live in a free land and are free to exercise their faith. Since there's no tribulation going on today, he seems to be concluding that the great tribulation was in the first century. Apparently, he has never heard of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Nigeria, North Korea or any of the other places where being a Christian is one of the most dangerous things you can do today. Out of 193 nations in the world, Christians are persecuted in 137 of them. But this guy makes the common mistake of thinking the Bible is all about the USA. Since even the money there says "In God We Trust" on it, then these things can't be applied to our times.
Willie T, Correct me if I'm wrong.
Willie T, Correct me if I'm wrong.
The TOG
jasonc
Member
while im not a futurist by no means. the bible with the gemeria view of 666 hasn't been fully shown to whom it was. some say this or that amongst the preterist group. I believe it was nero but that is me. others will disagree. I haven't watched the video.it also helps not to go fleshly. not that I haven't with this stuff. the more we learn and share whom gets the glory?
Jethro Bodine
Member
I'm about 21 minutes into the video and it is very interesting. This man's story reminds me of my own journey into all things 'end time' several years ago. And it also reminds me of how possible it truly is for the church, generally speaking, to embrace a single predominant doctrine which actually does not stand up well to Biblical scrutiny. Watch the video, folks.
Deborah13
Member
I listened to it while I was sewing. You don't need to watch anything just listen.
I knew who Gentry was but had never heard him or read anything he has written.
Whether one ever agrees with him or not it is still very informative. It gives understanding to what and why some on this forum believe what they believe from the scriptures.
I don't agree with his focus at the very end. I'm with TOG in that he speaks of free nations as if they represent the whole world and how things are better than they were. Well not so for many places in the world, tribulation is very real for them.
Another thing that I think at the very end was maybe a subtle leaning towards a reconstruction or dominion point of view. I do not agree with that at all. But I could be wrong. I don't know what he believes about that.
I knew who Gentry was but had never heard him or read anything he has written.
Whether one ever agrees with him or not it is still very informative. It gives understanding to what and why some on this forum believe what they believe from the scriptures.
I don't agree with his focus at the very end. I'm with TOG in that he speaks of free nations as if they represent the whole world and how things are better than they were. Well not so for many places in the world, tribulation is very real for them.
Another thing that I think at the very end was maybe a subtle leaning towards a reconstruction or dominion point of view. I do not agree with that at all. But I could be wrong. I don't know what he believes about that.
jasonc
Member
ah I thought you knew that gentry is post mil. hitch's favorite source of quotation
I don't really care too much about who or what some people think "The Beast" is, including this man. That particular theme was simply what they named the video.
But what I found so fascinating about the video was the myriad of interesting little facts he zeroed in on when he pointed out various things throughout the scriptures he read. For instance, I never noticed that John identified himself as being in "tribulation" with his fellow Jews at that very time he was writing the book. There were about a dozen more really surprising points that I probably had read, but never really SAW what was right there in plain English.
But what I found so fascinating about the video was the myriad of interesting little facts he zeroed in on when he pointed out various things throughout the scriptures he read. For instance, I never noticed that John identified himself as being in "tribulation" with his fellow Jews at that very time he was writing the book. There were about a dozen more really surprising points that I probably had read, but never really SAW what was right there in plain English.
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jasonc
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I john , being in tribulation was praying on the Lord's day . we often overlook things for our pet doctrines/dogma
Correct you if you are wrong? Why? In attempting to do so, I would probably be just as you when you conclude you know all about the video.
None of us can hit a couple of minutes of a two hour video, here and there, or even watch the whole thing and give a summary that adequately covers what another person might get out of their own viewing of the very same video.
If you believe that can be done, then you, thus, must be letting others give you summaries of many other things, and accepting them as legitimate evaluations. Maybe, even the Bible?
Personally, I don't think this is the way to go.
I listen to him... and others. I chew the meat and spit out the bones.
I listen to you, and do the same.
At times, you actually have said some things I thought were pretty cool.
Themessengeroftruth
Member
Well uno what I'm glad for even if u don't agree with me or believe what is told to u through me. At least u will remember when u see it if u see it happens that's all that matters.
For many are called but few are choosen
jeff77
Member
It looks like this is turning into an end times debate. Why not just watch the video and give a personal analysis of it. It is a long video and nobody has to watch it, if you decide not to watch then please don't judge it. If you decide to watch it and find there are things that you think need to be challenged then please take it to the one on one debate forum. Above all...remember that we are Brothers and Sisters in Christ, so no need for personal attacks.
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1) Give other members the respect you would have them give to yourself. (ToS 2.4)
Address issues/ideas, not persons or personalities. Do not insult, publicly post derogatory opinions of others, post insinuation to belittle or discredit, or otherwise create a hostile environment. Present evidence for support or rebuttal during debate. Bashing the author of another view or opinion is not evidence.