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Martin Luther King jr. a Christian??

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Vic C. said:
I guess you never saw the movies, "A Bronx Tale" or "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner". 8-)

The USA is not as divided racially as it once was, but is is divided morally and politically. None of that is the fault of King though.
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Yeah, but we've always been divided morally and politically. Things aren't nearly as bad today as they were during the 60's-early 70's, thankfully. Especially since working within the system and expressing concerns to your Congressmen and voting is much more effective at causing change than being a hippie.
 
moniker said:
Things aren't nearly as bad today as they were during the 60's-early 70's, thankfully. Especially since working within the system and expressing concerns to your Congressmen and voting is much more effective at causing change than being a hippie.
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Judging by the efforts of the new Congress to squash free speech and silence Christians with Section 220 of Senate Bill 1, I'd say things are very bad these days.

Voting is only as good as the number of folks turning out at the polls and with only 1/3 of the Christians voting, we have a LOT of work to do to overcome complacency.
 
Vic C. said:
I guess you never saw the movies, "A Bronx Tale" or "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner". 8-)

The USA is not as divided racially as it once was, but is is divided morally and politically. None of that is the fault of King though.
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I guess you didn't see the reaction of those watching the verdict of the OJ Simpson trial.
 
It has never been a "color of skin" problem, it has always been a "values" problem.
 
christian_soldier said:
I am either very obtuse this evening or your are extremely oblique, solo.

Please define "it".
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Those who have values have no problem with others of various races, but those who are "values challenged" have racist tendencies no matter their race.
 
christian_soldier said:
Judging by the efforts of the new Congress to squash free speech and silence Christians with Section 220 of Senate Bill 1, I'd say things are very bad these days.
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It isn't religion specific and is aimed at large marketting firms employing viral type ads and others. I'd highly doubt it will be read as strictly as some of the doomsayers tend to imply. If it is, then there will be a lot of grassroots efforts (registered or not) to get their senators to nock it off since it would (due to not being religion or politically specific) cross ideological lines. Assuming that the court doesn't throw it out as violating the first ammendment. I forget what ruling, but SCOTUS does consider money directed for advocacy to be protected speech.

Voting is only as good as the number of folks turning out at the polls and with only 1/3 of the Christians voting, we have a LOT of work to do to overcome complacency.
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It's a problem with every group, but it is improving with time. The last two elections were record breaking, afterall.

To go back to the whole 'better than the 60's-70's' thing. Be glad there aren't any COINTELPRO operations going on to undermine your ability to get groups together and encourage voting. Especially now that the wiretapping program is finally under judicial oversight since it somewhat lent itself to those programs. Granted it's FISA so the oversight is about as streamlined and rubber stampish as possible, but at least it's there.
 
A lot of people' are getting tired of no results. From elected officials. And are staying away from the polls.
 
Lewis W said:
A lot of people' are getting tired of no results. From elected officials. And are staying away from the polls.
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Which is entirely the wrong approach, and is merely an excuse for complacency.
 
sorry I have ignored some of the replies, I am mainly answering the original statement with a few of my own opinions.


I tend to note that, people will form a hatred for someone, regardless of what good they do, solely because they have their own personal beliefs and ideals.

The fact that someone can argue that Martin Luther King Jr,. is evil, because they wern't officially a minister, they didn't have their name officially changed, and they may have had communistic beliefs, and then completely overlook the important acts accomplished by the person is, frankly, disgusting.

this is why it is so hard to be a Non-Christian in the USA. Regardless if you are the nicest person in the world, donate and volunteer and help everyone as much as you can, simply because you do not believe, people look at you like you are less of a human, less important, and are bad. The same with people that have communistic, socialist, humanist (sometimes) or anarchist beliefs. They are instantly assumed to be bad people, regardless of the good they do.
 
peace4all said:
this is why it is so hard to be a Non-Christian in the USA. Regardless if you are the nicest person in the world, donate and volunteer and help everyone as much as you can, simply because you do not believe, people look at you like you are less of a human, less important, and are bad.
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I can't help but wonder:

1) Why a non-Christian spends so much time on a Christian forum?

2) If you aren't projecting your perception of how others see you upon yourself?

Being nice, generous and helpful are all wonderful traits. Who could find fault with that?

But...at the end of the day, if you should die, where will you spend Eternity and how many folks will you have influenced to join you there?
 
christian_soldier said:
Which is entirely the wrong approach, and is merely an excuse for complacency.
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Particularly since a large number (I'd say all, but that'd be a touch too hyperbolic) of them likely have never written their congressman and/or senators. I'd even doubt if they could name their rep to show they know who to mail their thoughts to. The government can't act toward your views if you don't let it know what those views are. It's rather encouraging to see that my generation is being more politically (and socially) involved.
 
peace4all wrote.....
The fact that someone can argue that Martin Luther King Jr,. is evil, because they wern't officially a minister, they didn't have their name officially changed, and they may have had communistic beliefs, and then completely overlook the important acts accomplished by the person is, frankly, disgusting.
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I agree man.
 
Lewis W said:
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peace4all wrote.....
The fact that someone can argue that Martin Luther King Jr,. is evil, because they wern't officially a minister, they didn't have their name officially changed, and they may have had communistic beliefs, and then completely overlook the important acts accomplished by the person is, frankly, disgusting.

I agree man.
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btw - I also agree, peace. I encourage you to cast off your unbelief, though.
 
Christian_soldier.

I have no problem if people wish that I change my belief, sure thats ok, However, if someone will refuse to recognize that I am a good person because I disbelieve though, is what I have a problem with.

So what If I am not a Christian. Yes, I might go to hell, but I spend a good deal of time making peoples lives now better.


btw, to talk about briefly why an unbeliever spends time on a Christian forum. There are huge stereotypes between Christians and atheists and other religious groups. Many Christians think that, since I am an atheist, I am a bad person, and will contribute nothing to society. just as many atheist think that a Christian will waste all their time worrying about the next life, and not caring about this one. By me being here, I can observe a vast majority of Christians, instead of just the ones I see on TV (pat Robertson and jerry Falwell) and you can see an atheist that doesn't "kill puppies" and "beat up other kids".

plus. When I have questions about passages, and I have problems with syntax and contradictions, what better place to find out about them?
 
Hey we went off topic here. I and many others say that Martin' deserved the holiday. This man preached love and not hate. He preached that all of God's children should love each other. He died for us all, and at times' he said that he was scared. But he said that he would not stop. And where ever he was needed' he would go. He had his faults' just like we do' but what he has done for us all' is something to behold. He was a targeted man' and he faced it' and he knew that he was going to die. He is one of those humans that I will take up for every time. He is not to be worshiped' but his memory is to have honor. And because of him' things changed in America.
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reply to Carey's remarks about Martin Luther King, Jr

I do not know all the history of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and his ancestors but there are some things I know about this country and the slaves that were brought over here and the south. When it comes to the names of black americans in this country most of them came from the white people who owned them and named them some name they wanted them to have. So for whatever reason Mr. Martin Luther King, Sr changed his name what do you care. What do you care if I change my name to Snifflefrisse? Now about Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr being a preacher, pastor or leader in the church he most certainly was. If someone like Jim Bakker, Jimmy Swaggert, and this other fellow recently who was head of that big hugh church in colorado is a preacher then how can you say Rev King was not an ordained minister. Who calls people to preach, men or God? I don't know about his communist beliefs. All I know is he put his life on the line for a whole race of people and that was the human race. You need to find another somebody to talk about. By the way I am white and I am proud of the Martin Luther King holiday and its about time.
Happie Jack
 
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