Does anyone who is familiar with Maundy Thursday, the day during Holy Week which commemorates the last supper of the Messiah with the apostles know which part of Thursday that this took place - during the night time of the first half of Thursday, or during the daytime of the second half of Thursday?
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The Passover was and is typically celebrated after sundown.
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It actually should be called Good Thursday.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulcher. 3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. 48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a sponge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Three days and three nights and Jesus being raised early on the first day of the week being Sunday at sunrise would mean Jesus had to be crucified on a Thursday according to our calendar. The first day would be Thursday to Thursday night at sunset (1 day, 1 night) to Friday sunrise to sunset (two days, 2 nights) Saturday from sunrise to sunset (3 days 3 nights). Sabbath day being from Friday at sunset to Saturday sunset and Christ being raised early on Sunday at sunrise being the first day of the week shows it had to be a Thursday around the 9th hour when Jesus died.
Thursday at the 3rd hour according to Jewish tradition noon time (12 PM) was the 6th hour of the day as the break of dawn would be the 1st hour of the day. So Thursday morning sometime before the 6th hour Jesus was nailed to the cross. From the 6th hour to the 9th hour (three hours 12 PM to 3 PM) there was darkness over the land where Jesus hung on the cross. Around the 9th hour Jesus yielded up the ghost and died.
From the day being late Thursday afternoon (first day, first night) brings us through to Sunday at sunrise being three days and three nights with Christ being raised from the grave early Sunday morning.
Matthew Chapter 26-28
Using the Lunar solar calendar in two days I believe Jesus was speaking about High Sabbath, different from regular Sabbath, that would begin in two days on the 22nd of Nisan as they were already celebrating the seven day Passover of Unleavened Bread that started at sunset on the 15th of Nisan after the days of preparation that started on the 13th of Nisan as all the yeast had to be taken out of the home and all the food prepared for seven days. Since the Festival of Unleavened Bread started on Friday at sunset to the following Saturday at sunset to sunrise being seven days this brings it to the next Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset being the High Sabbath.
The chief priest, scribes and elders of the people consulted that they would take Jesus that night and kill him (Wednesday night), but by Jewish law they could not kill him during feast day and this is why they handed Jesus over to Pilate. It would have been a Wednesday during the seven day festival that after they had finished the Lord's supper that they went with Jesus out to the mount of Olives that evening. Jesus told them this night after they went to the mount of Olives that he would be betrayed and arrested.
Here is the math. Jesus was arrested on Wednesday night on the mount of Olives where He and his disciples went to after the Lord's supper during the Festival of unleavened Bread. Thursday He faced Pilate and the people condemned Jesus. He was beaten and then nailed to the cross early in the morning hours and died around 3PM that afternoon after giving up the ghost. Thursday being the first day and first night He laid in the tomb would bring it to being three days and three nights ending at sunrise Sunday morning when God raised Him from the tomb.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulcher, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. 2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulcher. 3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? 47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias. 48 And straightway one of them ran, and took a sponge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink. 49 The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him. 50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
Three days and three nights and Jesus being raised early on the first day of the week being Sunday at sunrise would mean Jesus had to be crucified on a Thursday according to our calendar. The first day would be Thursday to Thursday night at sunset (1 day, 1 night) to Friday sunrise to sunset (two days, 2 nights) Saturday from sunrise to sunset (3 days 3 nights). Sabbath day being from Friday at sunset to Saturday sunset and Christ being raised early on Sunday at sunrise being the first day of the week shows it had to be a Thursday around the 9th hour when Jesus died.
Thursday at the 3rd hour according to Jewish tradition noon time (12 PM) was the 6th hour of the day as the break of dawn would be the 1st hour of the day. So Thursday morning sometime before the 6th hour Jesus was nailed to the cross. From the 6th hour to the 9th hour (three hours 12 PM to 3 PM) there was darkness over the land where Jesus hung on the cross. Around the 9th hour Jesus yielded up the ghost and died.
From the day being late Thursday afternoon (first day, first night) brings us through to Sunday at sunrise being three days and three nights with Christ being raised from the grave early Sunday morning.
Matthew Chapter 26-28
Using the Lunar solar calendar in two days I believe Jesus was speaking about High Sabbath, different from regular Sabbath, that would begin in two days on the 22nd of Nisan as they were already celebrating the seven day Passover of Unleavened Bread that started at sunset on the 15th of Nisan after the days of preparation that started on the 13th of Nisan as all the yeast had to be taken out of the home and all the food prepared for seven days. Since the Festival of Unleavened Bread started on Friday at sunset to the following Saturday at sunset to sunrise being seven days this brings it to the next Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset being the High Sabbath.
The chief priest, scribes and elders of the people consulted that they would take Jesus that night and kill him (Wednesday night), but by Jewish law they could not kill him during feast day and this is why they handed Jesus over to Pilate. It would have been a Wednesday during the seven day festival that after they had finished the Lord's supper that they went with Jesus out to the mount of Olives that evening. Jesus told them this night after they went to the mount of Olives that he would be betrayed and arrested.
Here is the math. Jesus was arrested on Wednesday night on the mount of Olives where He and his disciples went to after the Lord's supper during the Festival of unleavened Bread. Thursday He faced Pilate and the people condemned Jesus. He was beaten and then nailed to the cross early in the morning hours and died around 3PM that afternoon after giving up the ghost. Thursday being the first day and first night He laid in the tomb would bring it to being three days and three nights ending at sunrise Sunday morning when God raised Him from the tomb.
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Agreed. "Maundy" is an obsolete olde English word meaning, more or less, "miserable". I play keys sometimes in "Maundy Thursday" services, but I always tease the folks by calling it "Miserable Thursday", it seems to have helped.
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Miserable for Jesus in what He endured for us, and glorious for us that God raised Him from the dead that all through Jesus can reconcile themselves back to Him.
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Jesus and his men ate their Passover the night of his arrest.
Matt 26:17-20
Mark 14:12-17
Luke 22:7-15
The Jews ate theirs the following night after he was dead and buried.
John 13:1-2
John 18:28-29
John 19:13-14
John 19:31
FAQ: The law of the Passover per the 12th chapter of Exodus & Num 9:12 is very
explicit about the times and circumstances relative to Passover. How was it not
wrong for Jesus to dine early?
REPLY: He, being a prophet in direct contact with God, would of course known the
precise moment that Passover that year was supposed to begin. So I think we can
assume the Jews' liturgical calendar was tardy the year that Christ was crucified.
Ironically, the Jews were careful to avoid going after Jesus during Passover.
● Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in
the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest
Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the feast-- they said --or there
may be a riot among the people.
Due to their liturgical calendar's error, the Jews were a day late preparing their
lambs for dinner and thus inadvertently put Jesus to death during the very season
they wanted to avoid.
The Jews' mistake worked to Jesus' advantage. Had their calendar been correct,
then he would've lost an opportunity to share one last sacred event with his men;
something he really wanted to do
● Luke 22:14-15 . .Then, at the proper time, Jesus and the twelve apostles sat
down together at the table. Jesus said: I have looked forward to this hour with
deep longing, anxious to eat this Passover meal with you before my suffering
begins.
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Jesus and his men ate their Passover the night of his arrest.
Matt 26:17-20
Mark 14:12-17
Luke 22:7-15
The Jews ate theirs the following night after he was dead and buried.
John 13:1-2
John 18:28-29
John 19:13-14
John 19:31
FAQ: The law of the Passover per the 12th chapter of Exodus & Num 9:12 is very
explicit about the times and circumstances relative to Passover. How was it not
wrong for Jesus to dine early?
REPLY: He, being a prophet in direct contact with God, would of course known the
precise moment that Passover that year was supposed to begin. So I think we can
assume the Jews' liturgical calendar was tardy the year that Christ was crucified.
Ironically, the Jews were careful to avoid going after Jesus during Passover.
● Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in
the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest
Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the feast-- they said --or there
may be a riot among the people.
Due to their liturgical calendar's error, the Jews were a day late preparing their
lambs for dinner and thus inadvertently put Jesus to death during the very season
they wanted to avoid.
The Jews' mistake worked to Jesus' advantage. Had their calendar been correct,
then he would've lost an opportunity to share one last sacred event with his men;
something he really wanted to do
● Luke 22:14-15 . .Then, at the proper time, Jesus and the twelve apostles sat
down together at the table. Jesus said: I have looked forward to this hour with
deep longing, anxious to eat this Passover meal with you before my suffering
begins.
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Jesus instituted this New Testament ordinance on the eve of His death. It was the 14th Abib/Nisan, March/April Hebrew Lunar calendar. He was our Passover, sacrificed for us and He was sacrificed on the same exact day of the year that the Passover lambs always had been slain, Exodus 12:1-6. As the Old Testament Passover commemorated Israel’s deliverance from Egypt, a type of sin, so the New Testament Lord’s Supper is a continuation of the Passover with different emblems commemorates Jesus' death, and our deliverance from sin. Immediately after the last Supper, Jesus and His disciples went out to Gethsemane, where later that night, Judas Iscariot led the bloodthirsty mob who seized Jesus, and led him away to be crucified during the morning of the 14th day of the month of Abib. Matthew 26:1-5.
The Passover is described in Exodus 12 being the 14th of the first month of the new year being Nisan (March April) according to the Jewish Lunar Solar Calendar. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is the 15th day of Nisan/April, Exodus 12:6, which begins Thursday after sundown and ends Friday at sundown. Nisan 15 being a Sabbath never changes even if current dates do not match up year after year.
Exodus 12:1-12 God gives instruction for the meal before He passes over Egypt killing the firstborn beginning at midnight. Notice they were to be fully dressed with staffs in their hands as they sat inside their dwellings and at this meal in the evening. If anything was left over from their lambs it was to be burnt up in the morning before they began their journey out of Egypt.
Hebrew weekly Sabbath starts Friday night at sunset and ends Saturday night at sunset. This was a different Sabbath called a High Sabbath not like the weekly Sabbath. This High Sabbath began the first day at sunset through the last day at sunset during the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Exodus 12:14, 15. Beginning the 14th at sunset making it Saturday the 15th to Friday the 21st at sunset. Passover is annual and not a weekly Sabbath as it is the High Sabbath that begins the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and no one was to do any labor on that day as it was a day of holy assembling. Luke 23:52-54; John 19:31, 42; Leviticus 23:6-8.
Seeing that this was a High Sabbath that started at sunset on the 14th making it Saturday, the beginning day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread would have been prepared on Wednesday the 12th that Jesus ate supper with His disciples being the last supper, not the Passover Seder. On the 12th at sunset begins Thursday the 13th being the Fast of the Firstborn.
Wednesday the 12th after the disciples sat and ate with Jesus in the evening being the last supper Jesus would eat with them being in the very place in the upper room where they were told by Jesus to prepare the Passover meal. The disciples went with Him that evening, possibly after sunset making it Thursday the 13th (some call it Maundy Thursday) as He went to pray in the garden in Gethsemane.
(Note: this was not the Passover Seder, but only the last supper Jesus would eat with His disciples. Passover meal would not begin until after sunset on Friday the 14th when the 15th day begins at sunset at the end of the 14th)
Wednesday the 12th Jesus was betrayed by Judas then arrested and brought before the Sanhedrin. Thursday the 13th very early in the morning Jesus was brought before Pilate who passed sentence on Jesus and according to Roman law He was scourged and nailed to the cross about the third hour (3:00 PM) and died at the ninth hour (6:00PM) the same day when the Passover lambs were killed, Exodus 12:1-6.
Jesus was laid in the borrowed tomb on Thursday the 13th in the evening before sunset making it the 1st day and the 1st night (14th) that He died. So we have Thursday being the first day and first night – Friday 2nd day and 2nd night – Saturday 3rd day 3rd night being raised sometime between Saturday after sunset and sunrise Sunday morning.
According to Leviticus 23:5-8 The Passover feast is a different day then the Feast of Unleavened Bread as it was eaten in the evening of the 14th before the Lord passed over Egypt on the 15th.
The Passover is described in Exodus 12 being the 14th of the first month of the new year being Nisan (March April) according to the Jewish Lunar Solar Calendar. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is the 15th day of Nisan/April, Exodus 12:6, which begins Thursday after sundown and ends Friday at sundown. Nisan 15 being a Sabbath never changes even if current dates do not match up year after year.
Exodus 12:1-12 God gives instruction for the meal before He passes over Egypt killing the firstborn beginning at midnight. Notice they were to be fully dressed with staffs in their hands as they sat inside their dwellings and at this meal in the evening. If anything was left over from their lambs it was to be burnt up in the morning before they began their journey out of Egypt.
Hebrew weekly Sabbath starts Friday night at sunset and ends Saturday night at sunset. This was a different Sabbath called a High Sabbath not like the weekly Sabbath. This High Sabbath began the first day at sunset through the last day at sunset during the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Exodus 12:14, 15. Beginning the 14th at sunset making it Saturday the 15th to Friday the 21st at sunset. Passover is annual and not a weekly Sabbath as it is the High Sabbath that begins the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and no one was to do any labor on that day as it was a day of holy assembling. Luke 23:52-54; John 19:31, 42; Leviticus 23:6-8.
Seeing that this was a High Sabbath that started at sunset on the 14th making it Saturday, the beginning day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread would have been prepared on Wednesday the 12th that Jesus ate supper with His disciples being the last supper, not the Passover Seder. On the 12th at sunset begins Thursday the 13th being the Fast of the Firstborn.
Wednesday the 12th after the disciples sat and ate with Jesus in the evening being the last supper Jesus would eat with them being in the very place in the upper room where they were told by Jesus to prepare the Passover meal. The disciples went with Him that evening, possibly after sunset making it Thursday the 13th (some call it Maundy Thursday) as He went to pray in the garden in Gethsemane.
(Note: this was not the Passover Seder, but only the last supper Jesus would eat with His disciples. Passover meal would not begin until after sunset on Friday the 14th when the 15th day begins at sunset at the end of the 14th)
Wednesday the 12th Jesus was betrayed by Judas then arrested and brought before the Sanhedrin. Thursday the 13th very early in the morning Jesus was brought before Pilate who passed sentence on Jesus and according to Roman law He was scourged and nailed to the cross about the third hour (3:00 PM) and died at the ninth hour (6:00PM) the same day when the Passover lambs were killed, Exodus 12:1-6.
Jesus was laid in the borrowed tomb on Thursday the 13th in the evening before sunset making it the 1st day and the 1st night (14th) that He died. So we have Thursday being the first day and first night – Friday 2nd day and 2nd night – Saturday 3rd day 3rd night being raised sometime between Saturday after sunset and sunrise Sunday morning.
According to Leviticus 23:5-8 The Passover feast is a different day then the Feast of Unleavened Bread as it was eaten in the evening of the 14th before the Lord passed over Egypt on the 15th.
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From the site 'Dictionary.com':
What does maundy mean?
On its own, the word maundy means “the ceremony of washing the feet of the poor, especially commemorating Jesus’s washing of his disciples’ feet on Maundy Thursday.”Recorded around 1250–1300, the word maundy comes from the Old French mande, in turn from the Latin mandātum, which means “mandate or command.” As you may have guessed, this Latin word is the source of the English mandate.
The specific mandate or command at hand refers to the words Jesus is believed to have spoken after washing the feet of his disciples during the Last Supper. In the New King James Version of the Gospel of John, chapter 13, verse 34, Jesus said: “A new commandment I give you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.” New commandment, in the Latin of the Vulgate, is novum mandātum.
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You may be thinking of the slang word
'maungy'; meaning sulky, bad-tempered, or peevish (especially of a child).
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