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megachurches?

I agree...
The problem is giving one guy all that power and money. Of course it's going to attract the corruptible. Of course it will corrupt someone not even looking to be that important.
Several big name pastors started out great with great intentions and messages...and now the money and power has corrupted them. It's "our" fault by setting them up on a pedestal.
imo no one is worse than the other - scandal is scandal no matter what the size
 
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paul laid down his life for others and gave up all he had to devote himself to God's service - enduring hardships hunger beatings stonings etc etc etc - devoting his life to prayer the word worship preaching the gospel etc etc dtc

if any here think we are in the same category as paul i think we would be thinking too high of ourselves

That has nothing to to do with calling out false teachings and crookedness. Paul's devotion and persecution is different from calling a liar a liar.
 
That has nothing to to do with calling out false teachings and crookedness. Paul's devotion and persecution is different from calling a liar a liar.
sure it does - paul was heavy duty into close fellowship with God and righteous living and sacrificing his life and time for others - no time to waste on pettiness - too many real life issues to deal with regarding the lives of thousands of new christians

those NOT engaged in such an intensively Godly lifestyle have too much free time on their hands and seem to find all kinds of petty things to complain about - and also the chronic complainers quite often are doing NOTHING for God's kingdom - they are armchair coaches with a carnal opinion about everything it seems
 
Truthfrees I wholeheartedly agree with your posts in this thread.
When I first read the bible and started to go to an evangelical church I used to write down everything I heard, then I would go home and study it for myself. We are each responsible for our own beliefs.
Like you I believe we are not adequate to 'n.a..e and shame." If I disagreed I would feel ok to ask the person why they believed that way. Then I would go home and study it with prayer. Afterwards I would go back and tell the person what I had found in my study.
Even poor Job got it wrong
We all pray, study, listen, and leave the rest to those qualified in God's sight to correct or admonish. Who can stand and say we know everything. Surely it is the pastor, prophet or evangelist whose place it is to go forward with accusations.
If something is very wrong with a church I would walk away from it.
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your never going to find the perfect church . you look at the pastor qualification your bigger churches have in hiring a pastor ---- the degree many want a pastor with a d.r degree . they know the greek / hebrew words many are so educated they fail to use the H.S . each pastor in his denom/non denom is going to preach his Truth ..if its Pentecostal strong emphases on speaking in tongues and spiritual gifts . baptist depending on which branch .will disagree with tongues .southern baptist will teach osas .gen baptist they dont agree with osas. we have the UM.C i was raised in this.. not really my cup tea some of the pastors decide to go in to preaching.. the old Methodist was pretty close to the Bible... you cant have a dozen preachers taking care of church as per being in charge of bringing the message... it will not work no 2 people agree . as stated there bad mega churches and good ones.. i have tried to pastor a small cong of i had 20 i was happy . church started out trying to grow number wise and grace knowledge.. one person did not like how it was going boom fussing killed the church . when everyone does not allow the H.S to led each one in the church you have division. there are so many different beliefs out there . so many ideas what a church should be from cowboy church the coffee house etc the list grows on and on 8324
 
Truthfrees I wholeheartedly agree with your posts in this thread.
When I first read the bible and started to go to an evangelical church I used to write down everything I heard, then I would go home and study it for myself. We are each responsible for our own beliefs.
Like you I believe we are not adequate to 'n.a..e and shame." If I disagreed I would feel ok to ask the person why they believed that way. Then I would go home and study it with prayer. Afterwards I would go back and tell the person what I had found in my study.
Even poor Job got it wrong
We all pray, study, listen, and leave the rest to those qualified in God's sight to correct or admonish. Who can stand and say we know everything. Surely it is the pastor, prophet or evangelist whose place it is to go forward with accusations.
If something is very wrong with a church I would walk away from it.
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amen - very well said

i just took a prayer and worship break for about an hour - i was asking God about all this complaining - and asking Him what is going on with complaining about others and wanting to talk against others

i saw how when we draw near to God and fill up on God we are filled with joy peace patience goodness self-control love truth etc - so complaining is really a sign of not enough filling - we are told to be filled daily with the Holy Spirit - Acts 13:52-

God is so good and amazing that if we spend more and more and more time with Him we will get happier and happier and happier - and we will draw people to Him by the sheer goodness of God exuding from our constant praise of God

complaining attracts no one to God - a thankful and praising heart and life does
 
hi. me again. I didn't realize how negative I was being, btw, when I started this post. Its just...wow. here, locally, the megachurches are having -serious- problems. Then again...some journalists did an investigation of -convicted sex offenders- in the SBC, and...that's hitting a lot of churches, too, large and small and in between. ugh.

so...churches are, I think the usual analogy goes, like a hospital for admitted sinners. people are people, people are flawed, expect at least some problems to come from any organization, be it the local church or the local boy scouts, etc. etc. etc.

im also beginning to realize-- on a personal level-- that until recently, i was a fairly wretched individual, and wretched individuals, "weaklings," etc., "bring out the demon in people." a lot of it is/was just human nature, so I cannot judge the "church people" who heckled and judged me too, too harshly...

i dunno. i think, now--again, at a personal level-- ive been brought far enough along by Christ to go into a a decent, God-fearing, doing the best they can church and do OK, even if it ends up being a (gasp) "megachurch," as long as I go in with some God-given discernment and an eye towards being a Berean Christian about the messages, etc. (true of any church).

OK. and...Truthfrees...your posts, in particular, have been -very- helpful+very uplifting, even edifying (I think that's spelled OK) in this thread, so...thanks. :-)
 
hi. me again. I didn't realize how negative I was being, btw, when I started this post. Its just...wow. here, locally, the megachurches are having -serious- problems. Then again...some journalists did an investigation of -convicted sex offenders- in the SBC, and...that's hitting a lot of churches, too, large and small and in between. ugh.

so...churches are, I think the usual analogy goes, like a hospital for admitted sinners. people are people, people are flawed, expect at least some problems to come from any organization, be it the local church or the local boy scouts, etc. etc. etc.

im also beginning to realize-- on a personal level-- that until recently, i was a fairly wretched individual, and wretched individuals, "weaklings," etc., "bring out the demon in people." a lot of it is/was just human nature, so I cannot judge the "church people" who heckled and judged me too, too harshly...

i dunno. i think, now--again, at a personal level-- ive been brought far enough along by Christ to go into a a decent, God-fearing, doing the best they can church and do OK, even if it ends up being a (gasp) "megachurch," as long as I go in with some God-given discernment and an eye towards being a Berean Christian about the messages, etc. (true of any church).

OK. and...Truthfrees...your posts, in particular, have been -very- helpful+very uplifting, even edifying (I think that's spelled OK) in this thread, so...thanks. :)
amen - good word - many good points - thank you

i love the berean part - there is so much to learn from God - so much gold to be mined from scripture

in my prayer worship time just now i saw dams breaking open and gold and white glory/righteousness and beautiful water was flooding in

God's words are gold - His righteousness is a gift to us - His glory is Christ in us - the beautiful flooding water is perhaps the moving of His Holy Spirit - i'll have to ask what water is - and His most wonderful Holy Spirit is the One that floods our lives with all of this excellent treasure

i need God - my life can't function properly without lots of God - my own ability is woefully insufficient - but God is the All Sufficient One - His Ability is what i function on - thank God for ALL that He offers us -

God bless you - great post - it inspired me to go praise God some more
 
Its just...wow. here, locally, the megachurches are having -serious- problems. Then again...some journalists did an investigation of -convicted sex offenders- in the SBC, and...that's hitting a lot of churches, too, large and small and in between. ugh.

It all comes down to whoever is without wrong cast the first stone. There is a difference between someone who has no remorse for there actions and someone who accepts they did wrong and learns a lesson or repents.

People change in life. Once a criminal now not a criminal.


I'm sure Jesus come for a reason so that once a sinner before God is now not a sinner before God.
 
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How did Moses appear to Jesus, did he die and somehow escape the ressurection and resurect himself.
 
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Jesus and Moses.They had power to shut heaven. Those two had the Key.
 
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Unless people can hear and see they will never understand how God can be the first and the last.
 
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There is no one greater than John the Baptist, who was the Elijah to come. The prophets and the Law.

Moses.
 
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