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Mental health liberation and anti - psychiatry movement

This topic came up in the todays news forum David Icke's Official Forums after gail porter was sectioned and spoke out about her detension, and the treatment she was subjected to,

others to have shared about their experence to, intresting.

intrestingly to how movements have started, to stop others being subjected to the psychaitric system, oppression ect.


Mental Health Liberation and Anti-Psychiatry Movement Part 1 - YouTube

Mental Health Liberation and Anti-Psychiatry Movement Part 2 - YouTube


johnny
 
You go into a room by your self, and speak to some one pray, a psychiatrist might say, conclude dellusional pyschosis,
you say that this invisable force/ person has guided you, made something known to you,

this can be concluded as psychotic.

you now have dellusional psychosis, along with psychotic, this can then be concluded as schizophrine. if you have mentioned you may be persecuted because of your beliefs, this can be put down as paranoia.

how your faith could be used agaisnt you. as happened in the eastern block, China and Russia.

the Rosenhand experement Rosenhan experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia johnny
 
The anti-psychiatry movement has helped me. For a couple years after a stint in a rehab/mental hospital, doctors and other employees were spreading rumors about me, including confidential information. There was nothing I could do. Then I moved, and my ex-shrink in that town pointed at me from across the street and said (in a loud voice) "He's a PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIC!"

I'd had enough. I called up the Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) and they helped file a complaint against one of my ex-shrinks. In the process of the investigation, all my psychiatrists and therapists were issued subpoenas for my records.

Now, I'm back in my hometown, and the "mental health professionals" leave me alone. If it hadn't been for the CCHR, they would still be bullying me.

I also think its important to point out that for every person who needs and benefits from medication, several others are either voluntarily taking it for the wrong reasons, or being coaxed, cajoled, or forced into potentially dangerous treatment. Psychiatrists and other people in mental health have a tendency to be absolute bullies when given the opportunity.
 
Rosenhan experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I missed an exit i should have taken, and walked into a police trap, the inspector , bunton, raged at me, we will fix you , you are dealing with the wrong people.

i was held in a cell for over six hours denied a phone call, a solicitor of my choice, when tolled a duty solicitor was not available, The Fix was on, buntons trap, the frame.

diss police knew if i had access to a solicitor, the only place , i would be going was home.

a doctor came in the cell for less than a minuet who i had never seen , smelling of alcohol slurring his words , co hursted by bunton signed my detention, he was later suspended because of his drinking problem, doctor humle,

at 16.15 four of officers charged in the cell, it was a free for all, no holds barred, they left the cell at 16.30
i was taken to solitary confinement, the officers were mocking me, as i was led away, making comments like send us a post card. i was held down by several people , and injected,

diss police tolled my wife if she got involved, they would see to it, that our son was taking into care,

no one was allowed to see me, until all the bruising and swellings went down from the incident with the four officers in the cell,

i had a 24 hour watch, some one with you, even in the toilet, they over done the drugs so much, even the dinner ladies complained.

i could not even write my name, so they lessoned the dose, the person who was on duty over me, went to make a cup of tea, and i escaped, was later caught by norwich police,

i escaped a second time , but it was to cold, i knew i did not have enough clothing, so had to turn back, was still heavily drugged to,

i was warned if i tried to escape again i would be put in a cell, from where there would be no escape.

so i knew it was make or brake, and escaped a third time, this time on a double decker bus, saw the police go by on their way to the bus station, so got of one stop before.
and caught a train.

free from their drugs, i only returned for the tribunal, which ruled i was no threat to my self or any one eles, had diss police bunton been believed i would have been held indefently. Such was their aim, such was their frame.

it was also stated i was nothing like diss police had made me out to be, they tolled me to take a copy to diss police station, which i did, who should come out , but bunton, who went as red as a traffic light.

The ipcc took up my case, even used the word framed, case reference 2008/002640 it went before the professional standards department,

i was also interviewed by two detectives from scotland yard, who were sent to investigate diss police, resulted in five officers being moved, bunton took retirement.

the consultant psychiatrist doctor kitson , were i was detained in there he was God,not my God, he would go round handing out diagnoses like parking tickets, which were left next to peoples beds,looks very good on their books, when they are seeking funding from the nhs, i tolled him he should be a traffic warden, dont think the guy could diagnose a dead stuffed camel, he was in a rush to, as was going on holiday, in the carabien.

they would also twist any thing you said, to suit their agenda. for example i was asked if i believed in an intelligence out side of my self, a higher intelligence, which i said yes, on my report they put, he believes he is controlled by aliens, what a load of Muppets such people are. upon my release all those i had been detained with, were in the day room bless them, cheering,

one flew over the cuck coo,s nest. Shutter Island RUN

as mentioned before i do not hold with the views of David Icke, but is one of the busiest online forums were christian input is welcome by most, many there would consider them selves part of the truth movement.
 
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This topic came up in the todays news forum David Icke's Official Forums after gail porter was sectioned and spoke out about her detension, and the treatment she was subjected to

Isn't David Icke the one who thinks Queen Elizabeth is a Lizard Alien?


Isn't he this guy?

At the heart of his theories lies the idea that the world is becoming a global fascist state, that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian, including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson, and Boxcar Willie.[3]
 
as mentioned before i do not hold with the views of David Icke, but is one of the busiest online forums were christian input is welcome by most, many there would consider them selves part of the truth movement.

the forum does throw up some intresting topics, there is a greater freedom of speech it could be said there than here, and people are very open to at times about what they share about them selves,
you can cetainly discuss things more openly, and topics relating to faith and beliefscripture , that would not be allowed here.

there is a religion forum also there, David Icke's Official Forums

if you have some thing to share it will be read by hundreds even thousands of people.
johnny
 
And your point would be, what?

That someone's opinion carries the weight of fact?


I don't care if you like it or not Johnny, David Icke and his followers are kooks, some of them are psychotic. Most or all are TERRIBLY ignorant of Christianity, mathematics and the physical sciences as well.
 
I think it's just good advice to stay away from not only the Psychiatrists (they always acted this way, and this is nothing new at all) but medical "science" in general. If you need help, go to one who is Christian and at least understands about God. And probably they won't shoot you up with useless pills, either, to line their wallets.
 
I think it's just good advice to stay away from not only the Psychiatrists (they always acted this way, and this is nothing new at all) but medical "science" in general. If you need help, go to one who is Christian and at least understands about God. And probably they won't shoot you up with useless pills, either, to line their wallets.



I think the advice to not seek medical attention when it is needed is not sound.

As for negative experiences and fear of psychiatry perhaps unfounded fear,and feelings of persecution are symptoms of a disease which need to be treatedby a psychiatrist, and once those symptoms are under control the person wil lrealize they were but delusions.

Mental illness is a serious problem and those who suffer from it should seek help. The feelings of persecution are symptoms of the disease its self.
 
Pizza guy such sweeping statements , less take psychiatry, if you mentioned that humans can be hosts to spiritual forces, what do you think they would say, ?

as can animals.

A serpent beguiled Eve , is a serpent a reptile ? people who follow the ufo alien debate speak of reptilicans,

we believe in an anti christ system , that will grow in control and power, could we say people in key postion of authority and power, could become hosts to principalities and powers, and serve satan.

mention this to a shrink, and see what they write on your report.

so on a forum like David Icke's Official Forums topics come up, which anyone is welcome to share in, the site has over one million hits a month.

the truth movement consider that goverments have destroyed freedom, the courts and lawyers , justice,

religion , spirituality. they may not be far from the truth, other things way of beam, but your statement is also .

johnny
 
I think the advice to not seek medical attention when it is needed is not sound.

As for negative experiences and fear of psychiatry perhaps unfounded fear,and feelings of persecution are symptoms of a disease which need to be treatedby a psychiatrist, and once those symptoms are under control the person wil lrealize they were but delusions.

Mental illness is a serious problem and those who suffer from it should seek help. The feelings of persecution are symptoms of the disease its self.

I would stay away from most run-of-the-mill doctors. A lot of medical "science" is not really science. Of course I don't advocate not getting to a doctor if there is a pressing medical problem, but the vast majority of people visiting doctors today are on "preventative" meds such as depression and cholesterol, which is worth diddly squat and won't prevent anything at all. But a person as the right to feel deluded into safety if they want. I trust in the Lord, and NO, the Lord "did not provide" all the doctors out there as a means to heal. He can do that Himself quite well, thank you.
 
I would stay away from most run-of-the-mill doctors. A lot of medical "science" is not really science. Of course I don't advocate not getting to a doctor if there is a pressing medical problem, but the vast majority of people visiting doctors today are on "preventative" meds such as depression and cholesterol, which is worth diddly squat and won't prevent anything at all. But a person as the right to feel deluded into safety if they want. I trust in the Lord, and NO, the Lord "did not provide" all the doctors out there as a means to heal. He can do that Himself quite well, thank you.


I understand what you are saying. I agree too many people take pills they don't need. Over prescription is a problem, however I disagree that most people seeing doctors fall into this catagory, and I don't think most doctors are run of the mill.

I would encourage people who have feeling of paranoia, and persecusion to get help. If not with a doctor than perhaps a Christian counselor. These feelings are symptoms of a disease that needs treatment. If you are reading this and are afraid contact a friend or someone to advocate for your fair treatment if it will ease your mind in seeking treatment, but by all means seek treatment.
 
Pizza guy this thread covers the topic of the wrong labels being put on people, who then can be forcedto take the wrong medication.

people like your self i see as a major flaw, when you/they stero type people, and make statements that may not be a true reflection, christianty, christians like wise can be and are by many, again not a true reflection.

As for treatments people seeking help, or detained agaisnt their will, alot of people are speaking out, about what followed in both cases, and what they where subjected to.

which should raise questions of some pratices, private or mainstream that have been used, what is at present being used.

what is really helping people and pratices that seem to be doing more harm than good,

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=183342

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=178820&page=2


if i have all knowledge, but have not love johnny
 
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Johnny,

I'm not sure what you are responding to in my posts. David Icke is a kook, his followers are kooks or are those of lower IQ who are taken in by his idiocy.
 
Fortunately, psychiatrists are a shrinking breed. (Man, I seem to be full of puns this morning :D)

Very few of them actually engage in psychotherapy, preferring to leave that to psychologists. The psychiatrist is still currently necessary for medication management, and for signing mentally ill --or those in crisis-- into hospitals, as psychologists cannot do either (prescribe medication nor admit.)

A psychiatrist sometimes will work with a patient's psychologist (meaning they may actually talk with them about whether the medication seems to be helping or limiting progress in psychotherapy). This is the best way, the best foundational support team. Few regular GPs, MDs can keep up with the psychotropic medications to adequately prescribe them, and even fewer want to.

The vast majority of psychiatrists do not engage in psychotherapy (talk therapy) and thus have lost any expertise they may have had. Their time with a patient is often less than 15 minutes, giving the patient time to complain about side effects and discussing any needs for increasing or reducing the medication. This can be very frustrating especially for someone suffering with bipolar disorder as any change in stress levels can knock the balance of the medication off, and require tweaking again and again.

Did I ramble? :study
 
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