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Miracle vs Magic: What is the difference?

Kathi said:
"God created those magicians." I believe this is what I said.Did I say that God created the magic or did I say the God created the magician?
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No, but you may want to elaborate more. Youre reminding people mot to judge?

Paul1965 said:
Miracles are grace given by God for the benefit of those he bestows them upon and which have no explanation. (rising from the dead, leprosy cured in a flash, parting of the sea)

Magic is for entertainment and can be taught. (Penn and Teller, Chris Angel)

Magik is using occult spirits and powers to false prophesy, gain personal power and fame or for their close associates and destroy the faith in God of those who are shaky in their faith. (Illuminati, Freemasons etc)

Least ways, that's my take on it.
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"Magik" is just an alternate spelling that sicko Crowley made. Not much a difference between magic/magic. There is between sorcerous magic and stage magic.
 
YosefHayim said:
No, but you may want to elaborate more. Youre reminding people mot to judge?



"Magik" is just an alternate spelling that sicko Crowley made. Not much a difference between magic/magic. There is between sorcerous magic and stage magic.
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How can I make it any more clear?How am I reminding people not to judge?

"God created those magicians." I believe this is what I said.Did I say that God created the magic or did I say the God created the magician?
 
Kathi said:
How can I make it any more clear?How am I reminding people not to judge?

"God created those magicians." I believe this is what I said.Did I say that God created the magic or did I say the God created the magician?
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By simply stating that "God created those magicians" it can be assumed that you were also referring to the highlighted portion of the quote below.

Obadiah said:
Also, beyond slight of hand and other tricks, I believe there were a few true magicians who are using spiritual powers to perform their magic. This is real magic, not tricks or illusion, but those powers come from other spirits and do not give glory to God.
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YosefHayim said:
People often say mockingly: "so you worship a magical sky daddy". Now they are true for the most part. Yahweh is my heavenly daddy in Jesus Christ's name. And the heavens are usually referenced with the sky, but the heavens are much more than sky. That is the spiritual realm. What they mean to say is "Miraculous heavenly daddy"

So what is the difference between magic and miracle?

From my perspective:

Magic
Illusion. Deception. The will, desire, and lust of man. It leads to destruction.

Miracle
Truth. Revelation. The will, desire, and the love of God. It leads to life.

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. - Proverbs 14:12
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What do you think?
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Nice descriptions of miracles and magic.

Miracles trump magic.

Exo 7:10-12 So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the LORD commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake. (11) Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts: (12) Each one threw down his staff and it became a snake. But Aaron's staff swallowed up their staffs.



YosefHayim said:
And what about magic vs miracle in their spirtual manifestations?

We may think there's a trick to it, but Jesus Christ did truly perform the supernatural when he transfigured, and also when God raised him from the dead. We can call for God's miracles, but we can't, make them happen. Only God can and it requires our faith. And there are no secret formulas that need to be whipped up, and no esoteric rites that need to be performed. We have to put faith in to God's will. And God's will is also miraculous because when it's not what we want it's better than what we want. It's what we need.
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I agree but have you heard of WOF doctrine which places our will ahead of God's?
 
Gary said:
By simply stating that "God created those magicians" it can be assumed that you were also referring to the highlighted portion of the quote below.
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I am tired from a long day and I am afraid I am getting confused... :neutral
 
Kathi said:
How can I make it any more clear?How am I reminding people not to judge?

"God created those magicians." I believe this is what I said.Did I say that God created the magic or did I say the God created the magician?
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Forgive us, but perhaps you could have beem implying that God made ALL sinners. Such a sudden point, which now seems clear that it was merely an absolute point. However in the context of the conversation it seemed ambiguous by a few.
 
Kathi said:
God created the magician.The magician is a human being.But a magician performs magic.God does not come into the picture at all regarding the magic.
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No, He doesn't when the magic is simply the slight of hand entertainment type most of us think of. At least He doesn't come into the picture in any kind of condemning way that I know of.

HOWEVER, in scripture we are told that the type of magic that is sorcery and such things as this are condemned by God.
 
Obadiah said:
No, He doesn't when the magic is simply the slight of hand entertainment type most of us think of. At least He doesn't come into the picture in any kind of condemning way that I know of.

HOWEVER, in scripture we are told that the type of magic that is sorcery and such things as this are condemned by God.
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That is correct.
 
agua. said:
Nice descriptions of miracles and magic.

Miracles trump magic.

Exo 7:10-12 So Moses and Aaron went to Pharaoh and did just as the LORD commanded. Aaron threw his staff down in front of Pharaoh and his officials, and it became a snake. (11) Pharaoh then summoned wise men and sorcerers, and the Egyptian magicians also did the same things by their secret arts: (12) Each one threw down his staff and it became a snake. But Aaron's staff swallowed up their staffs.

I agree but have you heard of WOF doctrine which places our will ahead of God's?
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There was an interesting point this guy made in a video. His name is Doc Marquis. He said that some would thonk that the magicians were copying Yah. That was not the case. Yah was copying the magicians (which God would know their tricks before they did them). It could be perceived that , in essence, God was sayin to pharaoh "I am God, and I can do what your magicians do, and I can do it better." And that is why the magicians said that it was truly the finger of the LORD at work.

I have not heard of WOF. I googled it. Women of Faith, no?

Speakig of Doc Marquis, it appears you're logo has some eye of horus going on.........
 
YosefHayim said:
People often say mockingly: "so you worship a magical sky daddy". Now they are true for the most part. Yahweh is my heavenly daddy in Jesus Christ's name. And the heavens are usually referenced with the sky, but the heavens are much more than sky. That is the spiritual realm. What they mean to say is "Miraculous heavenly daddy"

So what is the difference between magic and miracle?

From my perspective:

Magic
Illusion. Deception. The will, desire, and lust of man. It leads to destruction.

Miracle
Truth. Revelation. The will, desire, and the love of God. It leads to life.

There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. - Proverbs 14:12
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What do you think?
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The magic that you have quoted is considered witchcraft.

Any miracle is God releasing the supernatural!
 
Gary said:
I think if one isn't able to distinguish between the two, they're in a whole lot of trouble.

I also believe that miracles have a purpose. They're not for show.

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What do you think of Benny Hinn?
 
Angel said:
What do you think of Benny Hinn?
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I don't think about him much at all either, but what I have seen of him left me with the impression that he likes to be the center of glory in his big show. I can't respect that, and it doesn't match up with my personal impression of how Jesus would handle himself.
 
YosefHayim said:
There was an interesting point this guy made in a video. His name is Doc Marquis. He said that some would thonk that the magicians were copying Yah. That was not the case. Yah was copying the magicians (which God would know their tricks before they did them). It could be perceived that , in essence, God was sayin to pharaoh "I am God, and I can do what your magicians do, and I can do it better." And that is why the magicians said that it was truly the finger of the LORD at work.
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That's possible I suppose but I don't think God needs to preempt every exchange. ( although he may ! ) He's very quick on his feet.

I have not heard of WOF. I googled it. Women of Faith, no?
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Word of Faith

Speakig of Doc Marquis, it appears you're logo has some eye of horus going on.........
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Oh dear I hadn't noticed that. Now I gotta change it :D I wouldn't be too surprised though we're neck deep in esoterica here.
 
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